Who disliked Bryan Singer's X-men films and why?

I was recently watching the making of xmen 2 on X-2 dvd and it just makes me miss Singer that much more.I say this because Stan Lee even says Brian brought an intelligence to the series on film.Also certain thing Brian said on the dvd like adding a new character/s to the film/s was that it had to be totally different than anybody already in the film. Also that specific character had to serve a purpose to the story to make it move along and not just add them because they are cool.

stuff like that just makes me miss him that much more
 
I'd say one of the main problem, is that... (and he's said this him self in interviews) ...he didn't approach the movies as a comic book movie, he approach it as a sci-fi movie

this really sums up alot of the issue these movies had
 
that's why i love the films he said it was a sci fi film with some action not an action film with comic book heroes

he brought a realism to the series that easily could of been cheesy
 
I did not like the plot of the first movie, Magneto wanting to give his Enemies mutant powers. It is something that just seems out of character for him. Whenever I watch the movie I just assume that while it would make them mutants it would be an unnatural kind of mutation like Senators Kelly’s. Also there are some bad edits, like whatever happened to Mystiques phone?
 
I don't hate Bryan Singer's X-Men films, I think his X-Men films were the best but there were some problems with them and after watching X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine, I realized that Bryan Singer's X-Men films were million times better than the crap that came later.
 
I did not like the plot of the first movie, Magneto wanting to give his Enemies mutant powers. It is something that just seems out of character for him.

It would have been more like Magneto if He had slaughtered humans.
 
that's why i love the films he said it was a sci fi film with some action not an action film with comic book heroes

he brought a realism to the series that easily could of been cheesy

maybe I like my comic book movies, to be, comic books movies, not realistic sci fi movies, with some action

I'll take mine with extra cheese, thank you, if that’s what it take to get a really super hero movie

these could of been epic fantasy world based, with great action, and stunning visuals
but, it was toned down to this real world setting, making them rather dull and bleak

I certainly didn't hates the movies, but, I think they get way more praise then they deserve, more importantly, I think Singer gets way too much praise for these movies, when really they were successful despite what he did, not because of he did
 
^ I have been saying this for years. When watching the Wolverine/X-Men films 1-3 it feels as though something is missing and that something is the fantasy that is in the comics. The X-men is a fantasy comic that incorporates realistic/thought provoking tones. Realism works with Batman, sure, but the x-men are so imbeded with fantasy that when you take it out the whole universe is sort of lame and different.

Random: I have no idea how they are going to introduce Thor to the Avengers since apparently they are going for realism with that series, I just don't get why these companies are so focused on realism when fantasy based movies like POTC and Harry Potter have smashed records and garnered acclaim.

Singer did a good job with his two "realistic" wolverine/x-men movies but it could be done better. if they do have a reboot I hope that they decided to keep all the aspects of the X-Men that make it such a great comic series, only then can we have a faithful adaption with the pheonix saga and days of future past.
 
^ I have been saying this for years. When watching the Wolverine/X-Men films 1-3 it feels as though something is missing and that something is the fantasy that is in the comics. The X-men is a fantasy comic that incorporates realistic/thought provoking tones. Realism works with Batman, sure, but the x-men are so imbeded with fantasy that when you take it out the whole universe is sort of lame and different.

Random: I have no idea how they are going to introduce Thor to the Avengers since apparently they are going for realism with that series, I just don't get why these companies are so focused on realism when fantasy based movies like POTC and Harry Potter have smashed records and garnered acclaim.

Singer did a good job with his two "realistic" wolverine/x-men movies but it could be done better. if they do have a reboot I hope that they decided to keep all the aspects of the X-Men that make it such a great comic series, only then can we have a faithful adaption with the pheonix saga and days of future past.

I couldn't agree more.
 
What I regret about Singer's X-Men Movies:
- the fact that he didn't brought Sinister to the screen;
- Cyclops should've played a much more important role in X2;
- casting Anna Paquin as Rogue (Rogue should've been played by a hotter actress);
- he didn't used Gambit dammit!

But all in all, I can say that the X-Men Franchise was pretty good.:)
 
What I regret about Singer's X-Men Movies:
- the fact that he didn't brought Sinister to the screen;
- Cyclops should've played a much more important role in X2;
- casting Anna Paquin as Rogue (Rogue should've been played by a hotter actress);
- he didn't used Gambit dammit!

But all in all, I can say that the X-Men Franchise was pretty good.:)


The way Rogue was written didn't require a super hot looking actress and IMO it wouldn't have made any difference for the character, that being said I think Anna's pretty hot looking now a days.
 
- casting Anna Paquin as Rogue (Rogue should've been played by a hotter actress);

Yes because all the characters in X-Men must look like supermodels :whatever:
At the same time though, I think making Rogue hot adds to the character. Because here you have this gorgeous girl, yet no one can have her because of her power. That's a nice piece of character development. Yes I'm contradicting myself we

PS.. I thought Anna was pretty hot in X2. IDK what happened..

Anyway here's my take on the films: When you look at the movies themselves, they are beyond incredible. Great plots, great cerebral undertones, and a few good character development. But when you look at it as a comic adaption, mainly with characters, it could have been better. I know Halle gets a lot of slack for Storm, but really she just wasn't right for the part. She's a good actress and all but she really didn't give off that mother African goddess vibe. And the way he treated Cyclops was just sad...And another big problem I had was not introducing Beast earlier. Gambit I could understand until the third film, But Beast is one of the central characters and it's sad that all he got was a brief cameo in X2 and then he's introduced as cookie monster in Ratner's film (Grammar was great though).

The thing that really get's me about Singer's films are the deleted scenes. I was watching the film last night with commentary by him on the deleted scenes and he really missed some good opportunities taken them out (he even hinted at that himself. For example:

-Not a big one, but I think showing a brief shot of Scott and Jean holding hands at Scott's class meeting while Wolverine looked on would be nice. I never liked how you never saw any affection between them and then all of a sudden, during the Jean and Logan scene in the bedroom, you find out there going out.

-Speaking of the bedroom scene, Singer needed to keep the full scene in tack with the extended talk with Scott Logan and Logan and Jean. Why? Because it develops Cyclops soo much. You understand why he is the way he is and why he doesn't like Logan and it makes him come off less as a prick. Singer said he deleted that scene because he didn't like how Logan hinted at his past "Ever seen real combat boy?". He said he wanted Logan to have full amnesia and having him say that would screw up the plot for X2. Yeah a big screw up on Singer's part because he sacrificed developing Scott.

-The Storm/Rogue scene after class would've really added some depth to the characters. You get to seem some development with Storm as a motherly, caring type figure and Rogue becomes more acquainted with the school. I think Singer took it out because of pacing and also Halle's accent was pretty thick but I think it really would've added a nice touch to the film

-There's some other scenes as well that I can see why they were deleted but still would've added something. The extended subplot with Bobby and Rogue would've been nice to see but it wasn't too necessary as it slows the film down. The Jean, Xavier scenes were really good to. Their cerebro scene was great (and even adds more emotional impact for his death scene in X3), but it is a bit slow. Plus it introduces Cerebro too early. Their scene where Jean talks about reading Logans mind is good because it shows why Jean is a little attracted to him but I always thought it was deleted because you have to telepaths not realizing Mystique is a few levels below them screwing up cerebro.
 
And as for X2, they should've added the scenes with Cyclops being held in prison at Stryker's layer. Also it would be nice to show him and Xavier walking to the mansion because you see more of him. Some other scenes, like Rogue helping the kids escape and Rogue getting pissed off at Pyro at the campfire, would be nice to.
 
Things I disliked -

1) Too much emphasis on Wolverine and not enough emphasis on the X-Men as a team unit. I wonder how much of that is Singer's fault and how much of it is the fault of Fox and perhaps even the fault of Marvel itself for downplaying the team dynamic in favor of that one character who's just a little more popular than the rest.

1.5) A little off topic but lately it seems they really can't do anything X-Men related without Wolvie in it. It's a bit sickening. $10 bucks says he'll show up in the proposed Magneto origin film as the soldier who frees young Magneto from the Nazi concentration camp & teaches young Mags "The world's a tough place kid. You've just gotta be tougher."

2) Cyclops was mistreated so badly it's not even funny.

3) Didn't care for the way the film presented Rogue. Not big fan of Anna Pacquin (spelling?) either.

4) Losing certain story-lines that were crucial to the comics (like the Rogue/Mystique back story).

5) I don't hate Halle Berry, but I think Gina Torres would have made a better Storm.

6) Iceman dating Rogue? Who the Hell thought that up?

Singer's X-Men films are still superior to lesser dreck like 2003's Daredevil, it's Elektra spin off (Jennifer Garner would have been a closer physical match to Rogue though), Ghostrider & the Tim Story Fantastic Four films, but there is room for improvement. Sorry if I didn't bring anything new or insightful to the table.
 
the only thing I hate is that X2 was a story about Logans past.

X2 should have been a team movie, with a team mission, not Logan searching for his past while the x-men help him.
 
the only bad thing with Storm in the Singer films is that infamous line about what happens to a toad that is struck by lightning

Other than that I thought the always beautiful Halle Berry did a good job

Also It is true that Cyclops was shafted in the series
 
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Bryan Singer was initially going give Cyclops more screentime for his treatment of X-Men 3 before Tom Rothman ditched him. So, I don't think that Singer had total disregard for Cyclops, I guess that Singer realized that Cyclops was badly treated in the first two films.

Check out the X-MEN 3: Bryan Singer's version thread if any of you are curious to know more about his initial treatment for the third installment.

Here's the link to that thread.
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http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=315878
 
the only thing I hate is that X2 was a story about Logans past.

X2 should have been a team movie, with a team mission, not Logan searching for his past while the x-men help him.
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Yeah, it would have been better if they just saved all that for Wolverine's own film but it didn't ruin X2, IMO.[/BLACKOUT]
 
I know, but Logan was the star, while Rogue, Jean, Cyclops could have had more screentime, dialogue and action...
 
who is to say the fantasy would not have been used in singer's 3rd film both x1 and x2's stories didn't really need fantasy Phoenix saga needed it which he didn't get to do
 
That depends on your definition of team fighting. Who was helping Kitty Pryde with Juggernaut? Who was helping Storm with Callisto? Who was helping Iceman with Pyro? Who was helping Wolverine with Phoenix? In my opinion, we have yet to see the X-Men truly fight as team. They follow the same pattern in all three movies--arrive as a team, separate and face individual foes, and come together in the end.

Yea...its bad when FF4 had better team fights in both movies than X-Men did in all 3 movies. Hell its bad when Power Rangers has better team fights than X-Men movies do.
 
^ I have been saying this for years. When watching the Wolverine/X-Men films 1-3 it feels as though something is missing and that something is the fantasy that is in the comics. The X-men is a fantasy comic that incorporates realistic/thought provoking tones. Realism works with Batman, sure, but the x-men are so imbeded with fantasy that when you take it out the whole universe is sort of lame and different.

Random: I have no idea how they are going to introduce Thor to the Avengers since apparently they are going for realism with that series, I just don't get why these companies are so focused on realism when fantasy based movies like POTC and Harry Potter have smashed records and garnered acclaim.

Singer did a good job with his two "realistic" wolverine/x-men movies but it could be done better. if they do have a reboot I hope that they decided to keep all the aspects of the X-Men that make it such a great comic series, only then can we have a faithful adaption with the pheonix saga and days of future past.

I couldn't agree more.

I got into an argument with a friend that defended the singer movies and I wish I could have articulated those exact sentiments.

People that have never read the classic x-stories and liked the movies don't really get the full spectrum of the X-Men. Space operas, Savage Land, Time Travel, Ninjas, Super-Costumes, Fiery Phoenix, ...Psylocke... My wish is to see those adaptations in my lifetime.
 
Singer did a good job, but I didn't like his pacing, something I think Ratner excelled at. X3 did need a longer running time though.
 

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