Why the Hate for this Movie?

[DorkyFresh]

Hmm opinion.

Hmm more opinion.

Even more opinion.

do you always go around pointing out people's opinions?

Yes dragonball probably got the go ahead because of transformers but that is not damning in and of itself. Movies like Kingdom of Heaven and 300 got made because of Gladiator or Lord of the Rings but that doesn`t stop them from being well made films. You can say the same for many of the decent superhero movies ushered in by the success of blade and x-men.

Kingdom of Heaven and 300 weren't made within 1 year of Gladiator coming out though. those films were well made because the people involved were inspired primarily by the MOVIES THEMSELVES....not the money that the movies made.

I think x3 proved that if fox wanted a riushed production for summer 2008 they could have got it. The delay makes me think that in fact there is a greater chance of it being good.

well, the fact that it was delayed shortly after it was announced that the Star Wars animated movie would be released the same day leads most of us to believe that it was delayed because Fox wanted to maximize the box office potential, which i can't fault them for.

btw, i like how you express how you don't like people trying to make their opinions sound like facts but then you use "in fact" for a statement that's your opinion.

Also i would say that lathough the interference of fox could have a detrimental effect on the movie the involvement of steven chow and james masters could easily offset that. Kung fu hustle is one of my favorite movies and if he brings just a tenth of that to the table the film will be great.

Stephen Chow and James Marsters are blessings to a film that was dammed to begin with (my opinion). they'll undoubtedly give their best to the film, but that doesn't necessarily mean that this film will be the best that it could have possibly been...or even near it.....again, my opinion.

Even more opinion. And with barely any evidence that is fancy.

i think most of people following this production will agree that they didn't have enough time to properly prepare for the movie whether they like what they're seeing or not. i've seen several posts from people who are excited admit that they wish Fox had known about the CURRENT release date all along so they wouldn't have had to rush to get it out this summer.

Thats amazing. How can you say that you don`t like to label people or tom pick or choose who is intelligent or ignorant but then you launch into a big speech about how right you are. That is just classic.

i don't see what's wrong me saying that i don't like to label people as intelligent or ignorant and then telling things just the way they are. i'm not trying to pass my opinion off as a fact, i'm trying to tell you that Fox fast tracking this movie into production IS a fact. they hired everyone (director, producer, cast and crew) around the same time the writer's strike was going into effect and instead of waiting until the writer's strike was over, they decided to go ahead and start shooting the film so they could have it released by this past summer. they fast tracked it into production for numorous reasons....that's not an opinion, it's a fact....regardless of if people like to acknowledge it or not.

I see what you are saying about the film may be being rushed but i just can`t imagine that the director of kung fu hustle would be happy with producing a film that was just a rushed meal ticket for fox. Explain why he would be playing ball with fox if the film was a quick buck rush job?

Stephen Chow said that he's a huge fan of Dragon Ball so he definitely wanted to be involved, but he also said that he only wanted to direct original movies....so that was his reason. however, it seems he's gone back on that stance since he's directing the new Green Hornet movie. MY theory (opinion) is that he saw how Fox was trying to fast track this movie into production and they were trying to Hollywoodize the movie and decided that it would just be a big headache and possibly bad for his reputation, so he just stayed as producer so he could have some creative say so without taking any of the criticism.

again, that's just my theory...but Stephen Chow being a producer on this movie doesn't necessarily mean that he did everything he wanted to. considering that he's doing the Green Hornet and how Kung Fu Hustle seemed to pulled some inspiration from the DB flicks, i'd be willing to bet that he actually wanted to direct the movie but Fox had a different idea for how they wanted to present the film.....so he just stayed on as producer. to me, his statement about only directing original movies was an excuse not to direct this particular movie.

 

[DorkyFresh]

I dont think it was THAT rushed, they got the rights in 2002, and Fox bought the script 2005, director 2007.

Filming lasted a few months, its gonna have 1 year of post production too.

true...they were already working on this movie since 2002, but Fox wasn't aggressive about it until late 2007. from the time the director was hired to the time production started was less than 3 months. Chatwin had roughly only a month to prepare before shooting started. that really isn't much of a pre-production. they basically hired everyone and started production right afterwards.

as for post-production, true they have more time for effects and such...but they didn't always know they were going to have this much time.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

MY theory (opinion) is that he saw how Fox was trying to fast track this movie into production and they were trying to Hollywoodize the movie and decided that it would just be a big headache and possibly bad for his reputation, so he just stayed as producer so he could have some creative say so without taking any of the criticism.

again, that's just my theory...but Stephen Chow being a producer on this movie doesn't necessarily mean that he did everything he wanted to. considering that he's doing the Green Hornet and how Kung Fu Hustle seemed to pulled some inspiration from the DB flicks, i'd be willing to bet that he actually wanted to direct the movie but Fox had a different idea for how they wanted to present the film.....so he just stayed on as producer. to me, his statement about only directing original movies was an excuse not to direct this particular movie.

I can`t see how he could possible save his reputation by staying on a film which was being awfully handled. He would gain a better reputation by severing his ties to a corporate rush job than by sticking around for the hell of it.

Him being a fan makes it even more unlikely as he would not allow fox to blatantly ruin the film right in front of his eyes.

If stephen chow was that easily manipulated by the whims of hollywood then kung fu hustle would have been a bland hollywood action flick.

He is producer of the film, so he is likely more control of the creative side than fox. The buck stops with fox but a lot of the details would be in his hands.

 

[Water Wagon]

true...they were already working on this movie since 2002, but Fox wasn't aggressive about it until late 2007. from the time the director was hired to the time production started was less than 3 months. Chatwin had roughly only a month to prepare before shooting started. that really isn't much of a pre-production. they basically hired everyone and started production right afterwards.

as for post-production, true they have more time for effects and such...but they didn't always know they were going to have this much time.

Well we dont know what actions Fox took before September, they had a script, and they probably knew who they would like to cast. The crew for this film is really good so that part didnt seem rushed.

I forgot how many months they spent shooing though.

 

[DorkyFresh]

I can`t see how he could possible save his reputation by staying on a film which was being awfully handled. He would gain a better reputation by severing his ties to a corporate rush job than by sticking around for the hell of it.

Him being a fan makes it even more unlikely as he would not allow fox to blatantly ruin the film right in front of his eyes.

Stephen Chow is a foreign actor/director that hasn't proven himself in America yet. he's not exactly James Cameron. even though i like to think that all directors have the balls to stand up to ridiculously rich corporations, it's more often than not the case that they don't....and i can't blame most of them.

If stephen chow was that easily manipulated by the whims of hollywood then kung fu hustle would have been a bland hollywood action flick.

from wiki..."Kung Fu Hustle is a co-production of the Beijing Film Studio and Hong Kong's Star Overseas. After the success of his 2001 film, Shaolin Soccer, Chow was approached in 2002 by Columbia Pictures Film Production Asia, offering to collaborate with him on a project."

it's not as if he had to fight in order to make Kung Fu Hustle the way he wanted to. Columbia Pictures is a very different company than Fox is.

He is producer of the film, so he is likely more control of the creative side than fox. The buck stops with fox but a lot of the details would be in his hands.

well...it's pretty clear to me that Fox wanted to Americanize/Hollywoodize this flick. Chow wanted an actress from Asia to play Chi Chi but they went with an American actress instead (Jamie Chung). there were even reports that Fox only wanted caucasians for the lead roles (which happened to come to fruition aside from Roshi). Fox is a very conservative company and there's no doubt in my mind that their ideas and restrictions would have clashed with someone who's very Asian, not only in ethnicity but in culture....which is probably why they got an Asian-American to direct the film.

Well we dont know what actions Fox took before September, they had a script, and they probably knew who they would like to cast.

you should have stopped at "September". you're right...we don't know what actions Fox took before September because there was no news about the movie. the was absolutely no talk of a Dragon Ball movie until September/October with the announcements of Stephen Chow and James Wong. anything before then is speculation.

The crew for this film is really good so that part didnt seem rushed.

good production crews are easier to come by than good casts and directors, but i'll agree that the crew seems to be one of the best things this movie has going for it.

 

[Water Wagon]

Well the cast isnt exactly bad, theres no real bad actors in there, its a mixture of Older veterans and young up and comers.

 

[Majin...]

aw dudes,what r u doing here?..writing novels?-.-.....this movie is gonna s- -k big time and that's it..

 

[Water Wagon]

because Roshi wont be grabbing Bulmas boobs and Piccolo isnt green?

 

[Movies205]

Leave DorkyFresh be, he's allowed to have his opinion. I still think so far there's been anything to suggest it'll be terrible, but on the flipside there's been nothing to suggest it'll be amazing. However, most first movies aren't that great Iron Man, Batman Begins, Spider-Man, etc are all mediocre and the sequels to BB and Spider-Man were vast improvements. All I am hoping for is its half-way decent like X-Men, does half-way decent at the BO to get a sequal and Wong is given more creative freedom to make an awesome sequal.

 

[DorkyFresh]

even though i disagree, thanx for the support dude.

 

[Water Wagon]

Whats wrong with Chatwin hes an ok actor, the highschool thing is gonna be 10 mins

 

[CaptainClown]

chatwin even if I got past the race thing, isn't really what I had in mind for Goku.

 

[Majin...]

Whats wrong with Chatwin hes an ok actor, the highschool thing is gonna be 10 mins

dude,we re talking about a dragonball movie....we dont need an ''ok''actor...we need a great actor...this is just an experiment..and it's gonna fail..this might be the end of his career 2 u know..

 

[Majin...]

chatwin even if I got past the race thing, isn't really what I had in mind for Goku.

it's not about the race...not at all

 

[DorkyFresh]

captainclown took the words right out of my mouth. i was hoping for an Asian Goku even though i knew they were going to cast a Caucasian so that doesn't bother me as much as how much i think they missed the target. when i heard that they cast Chatwin as Goku i INSTANTLY thought "WTF??? that skinny, annoying kid from War of the Worlds? whyyy???"

he's not the worlds worst actor by any means, but i've seen most of Chatwin's work and i can't bring myself to believe that he could grow up to be the Earth's greatest fighter.

 

[StylishHokie21]

Rearrange these words to make a sentance.

To conclusions seen jumping trailer you`ve before stop even the.​

Take your time.

lol.

You're hilarious.

 

[Majin...]

''he could grow up to be the Earth's greatest fighter''
that means he's not that experienced now(in the first and perhaps the most important db movie)..but..sometimes in the future-he will...we need future chatwin now..tomorrow it's too late

 

[CaptainClown]

I wanted almost a kid to be goku who was savage and didn't understand why people did what they did. I wanted to see him smiling all the time and ignorant of the world around him.

 

[Movies205]

dude,we re talking about a dragonball movie....we dont need an ''ok''actor...we need a great actor...this is just an experiment..and it's gonna fail..this might be the end of his career 2 u know..

There's a reason I respect DorkyFresh's opinion because he doesn't have his head up his ass. Dragonball is not an artistic masterpiece its kung-fu with energy blasts, people have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. That's what annoys me about these boards. I can understand not liking designs and things but people just want to hate for the sake of hating it seems.

 

[Water Wagon]

That would be a terrible you want a action movie where the lead hero doesn't know what a girl is.

 

[CaptainClown]

That would be a terrible you want a action movie where the lead hero doesn't know what a girl is.

yes I do, dude that would be hilarious. I want to see a Goku not know how to use electronics and proceed to smash it. I want Goku to poke a girls boobs trying to figure out what it is.

 

[StylishHokie21]

There's a reason I respect DorkyFresh's opinion because he doesn't have his head up his ass. Dragonball is not an artistic masterpiece its kung-fu with energy blasts, people have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. That's what annoys me about these boards. I can understand not liking designs and things but people just want to hate for the sake of hating it seems.

I agree that some people take it a little too far sometimes.

 

[CaptainClown]

I agree that some people take it a little too far sometimes.

I take things too far to make you guys look moderate..

DEATH TO DRAGONBALL!

 

[DorkyFresh]

There's a reason I respect DorkyFresh's opinion because he doesn't have his head up his ass. Dragonball is not an artistic masterpiece its kung-fu with energy blasts, people have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. That's what annoys me about these boards. I can understand not liking designs and things but people just want to hate for the sake of hating it seems.

i think Dragonball could have been an artistic masterpiece while maintaining the wacky, sci fi and fantastical elements. i think Dragon Ball had the potential to be the end all/be all of kung fu flicks (at least for a while). a flick that transcends time and cultures. of course....that would be a very tricky thing to pull off, but i think it could've been done.




and yes, there are definitely people that just like to hate...regardless of the film.

 

[StylishHokie21]

I take things too far to make you guys look moderate..

DEATH TO DRAGONBALL!

In all seriousness though, I've always said I'll wait for a trailer before condemning this movie. I like some things about it, but that's it really. I'm trying to remain optimistic.