The Winter Soldier Why The Winter Soldier was Played Perfectly

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The Winter Soldier was hands down the best villain of phase 2 so far. He was brutal and intense and gave everyone a hurting. The scene at the end on the hellicarrier was very emotional and anyone who doesn't realize that he's being set up for more down the road isn't looking at the bigger picture.

Agreed, while his role wasnt huge he was always a threat and could turn up any time to do some damage, plus the way it played out once he was revealed as Bucky was perfect.

It just goes to show, Malekith didnt have much screen-time in TDW but was handled poorly, he was a poor villain, but they did so much more with TWS with around the same screen time in this.

 

[jmc]

I agree The Winter Solider was played perfectly. Sebastian Stan and those action scenes were brilliant.

I think the complaint is, the importance of Bucky to Steve wasn't explored enough for some people, in this film. Now you could argue that was the job of the first film to do. That we shouldn't have to go over it again...

The problem is, this film is far superior to its predecessor. And as a result, I would have liked to have seen the Russo's give us a WW2 scene which explored and strengthened Cap and Bucky's relationship prior to the reveal. Now if this was near the beginning of this film, it would strengthen the friendship, making it all the most of a shocker when we later find out who the Winter Solider is, ('we' being the general audience) And since it could be a scene showing off the exploits of Cap during WW2, it'd show us why he's such a legend - it wouldn't look like an obvious attempt at foreshadowing Bucky being alive. Obviously we had the Captain America museum which did the same job, it lingered on Bucky's photo, mentioned he was the only member of the unit to die. But I think that was a little thin on the ground for the general audience, and those who didn't watch Cap 1 (of which there are alot).

But despite all this, he's still by far the greatest Marvel antagonist on film to date, I'd argue. Brilliantly, brilliantly done.

That's the biggest issue I have with this film being titled The Winter Soldier, that the Steven/Bucky relationship is almost a side-plot of the movie. It really felt underdeveloped in that sense. Is the ending suppose to be emotional when they fight? Probably. Is it? Not really, the fact so little time is given to developing what Bucky being the Winter Soldier stands for means the climax doesn't quite hit home on that front. It's a gap in the film that essentially makes Winter Soldier feel more like a henchman in a Bond movie than an important part of the story. It's the one area of the film you can cut out and not much changes. That said the character was still cool.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Winter Soldier was unstoppable. The audience around was awed any time he does something.

 

[Warhammer]

The Winter Soldier was portrayed perfectly. His limited screen time made him a force whenever he did appear. He was not a villain with motivation. He was an instrument of Hydra. His mind had to be wiped fairly often. He couldn't have been this big bad of the entire film.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Winter Soldier was unstoppable. The audience around was awed any time he does something.

Yeah, the way they presented him to was like The Terminator in T1, an unstoppable force who pops up everywhere and reeks havoc.

The Winter Soldier was portrayed perfectly. His limited screen time made him a force whenever he did appear. He was not a villain with motivation. He was an instrument of Hydra. His mind had to be wiped fairly often. He couldn't have been this big bad of the entire film.

Agreed, again, like I say above, he was similar to The Terminator in T1 in that regard, he wasnt always there, but you felt his presence in every scene.

 

[CB Fan]

I actually did feel the weight of the final fight. Could they have done more to show the relationship between Steve and Bucky? Yeah, in the first film, but this film did what it could to remind/show audiences that relationship and what it means to Steve. Like I said before I would have called this The Winter Soilder Part 1 just so that people don't feel cheated for having to wait until the next film for more on Winter Solider.

 

[antsman41]

So, does anyone else feel like TWS murdered JFK in the MCU?

 

[PunyGod]

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[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Yep, and Stark at some point is going to find out about TWS's involvement in his parents murder.

 

[Silvermoth]

What a load of nonsense. He was silent to give him an air of mystery! Stop nitpicking guys! He was perfect

 

[PunyGod]

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[Hcmarvel]

Yeah, agreed that the Winter Soldier was played perfectly. The biggest problem with his character in this movie, is that Bucky was the weakest part of the first movie. He didn't make a big enough impression to carry the weight this movie was supposed to have with the wide audience. That's why they kept having to remind you of the character leading up to the reveal.

 

[Hcmarvel]

Though I did find it a bit odd they had him speaking Russian, which followed the book, but didn't try to explain that at all in this movie. Obviously they can explain it in the next film. I assume that Hydra would have wanted him in Russia's hands during the days of the Iron Curtain because that regime more closely resembled what Hydra is trying to achieve. Once America beat the USSR, and started becoming more and more conservative, they had him become a US operative.

 

[yllum]

Yeah, agreed that the Winter Soldier was played perfectly. The biggest problem with his character in this movie, is that Bucky was the weakest part of the first movie. He didn't make a big enough impression to carry the weight this movie was supposed to have with the wide audience. That's why they kept having to remind you of the character leading up to the reveal.

I agree with u!! They should have touch more on the bromance of steve and bucky in the first film!! Anyway really love the reaction of steve when realize bucky is winter soldier. He is basically stoned and gave up fighting.

 

[PunyGod]

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[Hcmarvel]

I think Bucky had about as much screentime as he could in the first film without it being a Cap and Bucky movie.

We just have to accept that this is one area where movies don't have enough time to establish a long relationship like this one.

I don't quite agree. And it goes back to what was actually my single least favorite part of The First Avenger. That montage sequence where we see Cap and the boys kicking but, and we're to understand they're turning the war around, but it's kind of empty. That movie REALLY needed a full mission sequence, like in the flashback sequences in Brubaker's run, showing us that group working as a unit. The movie kind of just goes from Cap rescuing everybody, to Bucky "dying", to the big finale. It was missing a beat.

 

[yllum]

Guys I am really puzzled with regards to how bucky survive the fall in cap 1. I understand hydra did something to him in cap 1. He was murmuring to himself when steve found him.

I watch cap 2 three times but I don't get the answer.

One more thing. In the movie I would say WS is as fast and strong as captain America. .did they say what was injected to him?

I am a huge ed Brubaker fan and read all his WS stories. WS is defintely not as strong and fast as steve in the comics.Perhaps his metal arm is.

anyone can enlightened me please? Appreciated!!

 

[Raiden]

Guys I am really puzzled with regards to how bucky survive the fall in cap 1. I understand hydra did something to him in cap 1. He was murmuring to himself when steve found him.

I watch cap 2 three times but I don't get the answer.

One more thing. In the movie I would say WS is as fast and strong as captain America. .did they say what was injected to him?

I am a huge ed Brubaker fan and read all his WS stories. WS is defintely not as strong and fast as steve in the comics.Perhaps his metal arm is.

anyone can enlightened me please? Appreciated!!

When Cap rescued Bucky in TFA, he was on an operating table and it is implied that he was experimented upon, probably with some of the SS serum that Cap has. That is why he could survived that fall and once HYDRA found him, he was recreated as an assassin and in cryogenic freeze when he's not on mission. That's the way that I understand WS's back story in the movie.

 

[yllum]

I don't quite agree. And it goes back to what was actually my single least favorite part of The First Avenger. That montage sequence where we see Cap and the boys kicking but, and we're to understand they're turning the war around, but it's kind of empty. That movie REALLY needed a full mission sequence, like in the flashback sequences in Brubaker's run, showing us that group working as a unit. The movie kind of just goes from Cap rescuing everybody, to Bucky "dying", to the big finale. It was missing a beat.

Spot on!! A full mission sequence involving the howling commandos and cap will definitely helps.

 

[yllum]

When Cap rescued Bucky in TFA, he was on an operating table and it is implied that he was experimented upon, probably with some of the SS serum that Cap has. That is why he could survived that fall and once HYDRA found him, he was recreated as an assassin and in cryogenic freeze when he's not on mission. That's the way that I understand WS's back story in the movie.

Thanks man!! As to why WS is as strong and as fast as steve. My take is they wanted to give steve a formiable foe?

 

[Smashlilman]

Guys I am really puzzled with regards to how bucky survive the fall in cap 1. I understand hydra did something to him in cap 1. He was murmuring to himself when steve found him.

I watch cap 2 three times but I don't get the answer.

One more thing. In the movie I would say WS is as fast and strong as captain America. .did they say what was injected to him?

I am a huge ed Brubaker fan and read all his WS stories. WS is defintely not as strong and fast as steve in the comics.Perhaps his metal arm is.

anyone can enlightened me please? Appreciated!!

Cap said Hydra must have experiment on him when the was captured the first time.

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[TalismanRing]

Hydra experimented on him in TFA and while that allowed him to survive the fall he didn't exhibit any extra strength or quickness during his time as a Howling Commando.

In the quick flashbacks it looks like he's being experimented on again. With the Red Star on his arm, the file Natasha gave Steve which looked Russian, and the Russian he spoke I assume that he was retrieved/captured/experimented on after the fall and given the arm by the Soviets before he became a Hydra/Shield tool.

He wasn't given Steve's serum/vit-ray combo since it's one of a kind but I assume a variation. This is different from the comics where only his arm is cyber enhanced. He's stronger and faster in the film but not as strong as fast as Steve.

Steve caught up to him on the roof even though WS had a head start and a clear roof to run across. He needed to always use his cybernetic arm to catch, throw, block Steve's shield - unlike Steve. He's a challenge though especially since also always go for the kill when Steve doesn't. (this actually builds upon Bucky as sniper - he was always a bit darker and more ruthless than Steve) In their last fight Steve beat him, broke his arm and knocked him out with a sleeper hold which gave WS the opportunity to wake and shoot Steve. Even shot Steve could have fought and taken him but he didn't want to.

 

[Raiden]

Thanks man!! As to why WS is as strong and as fast as steve. My take is they wanted to give steve a formiable foe?

Yes, if WS isn't Cap's level in the movie, then their fight scenes won't have been as thrilling otherwise, and he won't have been a real threat to Cap and his allies.

 

[TheVileOne]

I felt like the scene of Bucky and pre-serum Steve after the funeral for Steve's parents was enough.

 

[the dmg]

Good thing in the sequels is that they can build up Bucky and Steve's relationship with flashbacks. They've grown up together, so there is still a lot to explore and develop.