The Winter Soldier The Winter Soldier Thread

[Silvermoon]

In case anyone was wondering what Bucky's Smithsonian exhibit said (and yes, there are year mistakes... I'm pretty sure the 1917 birth year at the bottom is supposed to be the correct one, and really his death year should read 1945 and not 1944 - someone goofed on the props)

A Fallen Comrade
James Buchanan "Bucky" Barnes

When Bucky Barnes first met Steve Rogers on the playgrounds of Brooklyn, little did he know that he was forging a bond that would take him to the battlefields of Europe and beyond.

Born in 1916, Barnes grew up the oldest child of four. An excellent athlete who also excelled in the classroom, Barnes enlisted in the Army shortly after the attack on Pearl Harbor. After winter training at Camp McCoy Wisconsin, Barnes and the rest of the 107th shipped out to the Italian front. Captured by Hydra troops later that fall, Barnes endured long periods of isolation, depravation and torture. But his will was strong. In an ironic twist of fate, his prison camp was liberated by none other than his childhood friend, Steve Rogers, now Captain America.

Reunited, Barnes and Rogers led Captain America's newly formed unit, The Howling Commandos. Barnes' marksmanship was invaluable as Rogers and his team destroyed Hydra bases and disrupted Nazi troop movements throughout the European Theater.

Bucky Barnes
1917-1944

 

[Silvermoon]

Sebastian learning "The Dance" of combat (feature on TWS Blu-Ray)

 

[Silvermoon]

Anthony Mackie & Sebastian Stan panel at Wizard World Chicago Comic Con (I'm still in the process of watching it so I don't know yet if there's anything groan worthy that's asked). It's a fan video (she notes in the description there's about a 15 sec. gap in the middle of the vid, I'm assuming it's where she had to switch cameras)...I'll try and keep an eye out if a higher quality/more professional vid. pops up

 

[MysticRain]

Thank you for posting the whole panel; I had only seen mini clips of it. Here are some pics from the event. I didn't want to post the photo op pics with the fans, but they seem like such sweet dorks.t: Whoever came up with the idea to pair these two together for interviews deserves an medal.

Also, everyone should check out these two meatballs' video for the ALS ice bucket challenge. Sebastian's facial expressions are priceless (as always) and Mackie's "that's not what I asked" and flying away at the end...

 

[Silvermoon]

Captain America: The Winter Soldier Composer Henry Jackman Talks Designing Themes, and Cap's Moral Super Power

I like the bits where he talks about Winter Soldier's individual theme(s):

I did something really, really radical for the Winter Soldier because when I first looked at the footage, I was like, he's a kind of mechanized, crazy, violent, unstoppable, rampant kind of half-being. I remember thinking to myself I don't want it to be just an orchestral piece of music. I said, "I should make a record of the Winter Soldier's theme -- just a six-minute record. I should do something radical and just see what they say." It may not stay like that, but at least if I do that I'll come up with a musical identity for the Winter Soldier that's a long way from the expected and the orchestrally sort of generic.

...there's a human element to the Winter Soldier that gets revealed toward the end of the film, the Winter Soldier starts off unrelenting and brutal and mechanized and almost Terminator like but the difference between The Winter Soldier and Terminator is that somewhere behind the wires and all the mechanization is a character that we know and we care about and that more importantly, Cap knows about and it's very painful to him.

So one of the things I ended up doing with the Winter Soldier was I spent literally ten days just on production with vocals because I wanted to get the sensation of a human trapped inside machinery. So I did a lot of vocal recordings and then processed the living hell out of them to get these tortured, time-stretched human cries of someone who has been so processed that it's become mechanized at the same time but you can still hear the human in there.

 

[The Caped Knight]

See why couldn't we have gotten this and interviews on the Blu-ray as special feature????

 

[Sian]

I'd like to see a post credit scene where one of the Hydra 'big bads' walks into his home and finds the Winter Soldier sitting there..

 

[Sian]

I imagine Tony knows that the Winter Soldier killed his parents, so if he and Bucky ever met I think Tony would probably want him dead, and poor Steve would have to try to keep that from happening. It would probably take a lot of persuading from Steve to convince Tony that Bucky wasn't really responsible, and even after that I'm not sure Tony could stand to be around him.

Bucky didn't kill anyone, Hydra did.

And maybe Steve could point out that prior to his transformation into IronMan Tony sold weapons and didn't care who he sold them to.

 

[TalismanRing]

Bucky didn't kill anyone, Hydra did.

And maybe Steve could point out that prior to his transformation into IronMan Tony sold weapons and didn't care who he sold them to.

Why would that matter? I'm sure it doesn't matter to the families of those who died from those weapons that Tony meant only to arm US forces and not terrorists and no longer sells weapons and has saved the world. Or rather they might eventually forgive but not forget.

Bucky as the WS was only a mindless deadly tool but that doesn't change that he was indeed that instrument. Bucky isn't a villain but the WS was.

Now, Tony would probably understand that enough not to kill him but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't want to be friends or teammates with him. I'd think it would be impossible to look at him and not see the murderer of his parents, fair or not.

Frankly, brainwashed or not I wonder how Clint could be back working for SHIELD after he murdered some of his co-workers under Loki's brainwashing influence. Talk about a strained working environment.

Regardless, there's no evidence that the WS assassinated Howard & Maria. All we know is that HYDRA is responsible and one would gather they had more than one person able to their dirty work especially since making it look like a car accident seems pretty far away from the WS's more obvious and weaponized approach. We certainly see that their HYDRA/SHIELD Strike force is more than willing to take down Fury and Steve.

 

[Sian]

Was Bucky ever an Avenger in the comics?

 

[Silvermoon]

The "Winter Soldier" background from the 'language selection' menu on the blu-ray (previously I'd gotten Cap's shield whenever I watched the blu-ray, then the other day I got this) - (one of my imdb/tumblr friends 'the-other-sam' was kind enough to remove the language selection text before I had a chance - hence why their tumblr site is on the actual image):

(for tumblr users, I appreciate reblogs: http://silver-wolf581.tumblr.com/post/98811670676/the-other-day-i-discovered-that-when-you-pop-in)

(click image for full size)

 

[Sian]

Captain America: The Winter Soldier Composer Henry Jackman Talks Designing Themes, and Cap's Moral Super Power

I like the bits where he talks about Winter Soldier's individual theme(s):

Rampant eh?
I like that

 

[Sian]

Yeah I do but I don't think marvel would cover that. Imagine how disgusted with him we would be if he assassinated doctor king, even if it wasn't him in control.

Certainly makes you think about how horrible it would be to be brainwashed and turned into a weapon

And that's the rub isn't it - any if us could have that happen.

The very fact that they had to repeatedly wipe him is proof that he's basically a decent man. A lesser person would have eventually accepted and even enjoyed it.

I don't think he needed to be ashamed of anything he did while under Pierce's influence.

 

[falconcrest87]

IDK. In the comics, especially Brubaker's, it seemed to me that Bucky was kinda a morally grey person to begin with. He used to do the dirt that even Steve wouldn't do. I think he would feel bad about his tenure as a HYDRA killing machine only because of who he killed (Howard and Maria Stark, allegedly) not the fact that he killed.

 

[Sian]

And why.
Killing Nazis is one thing, killing innocents another. I think Steve Rogers' comment to Fury at the movie's beginning said it all 'Yes, we did things that meant it wasn't easy to sleep at night, but we did it so people could be free'.
Nowadays, things aren't so clear.

 

[TalismanRing]

Morally greyer in that Bucky wasn't just a soldier or even a commando, he was a sniper. It takes a special mindset to be a sniper, to kill the unaware and often unguarded in cold blood and not the heat of battle where it's kill or be killed and most soldiers are not able to do it.

It's not coincidence that he was molded into the perfect assassin by HYDRA since he already had the underlying skill and mindset for it.

But of course the main difference is Bucky thought he was killing for the greater good and to win a war against a murderous fascist regime. Whereas as the WS not only is he killing for an underground fascist organization he's doing it without conscious thought or choice.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Morally greyer in that Bucky wasn't just a soldier or even a commando, he was a sniper. It takes a special mindset to be a sniper, to kill the unaware and often unguarded in cold blood and not the heat of battle where it's kill or be killed and most soldiers are not able to do it.

It's not coincidence that he was molded into the perfect assassin by HYDRA since he already had the underlying skill and mindset for it.

But of course the main difference is Bucky thought he was killing for the greater good and to win a war against a murderous fascist regime. Whereas as the WS not only is he killing for an underground fascist organization he's doing it without conscious thought or choice.

Snipers are found in the military, I'm sure I don't have to tell you that. technically, Bucky was a sharpshooter.

On topic of Bucky's morality. He's not really that gray.

He did things in the war that Cap didn't. But it was less about Bucky doing "dirty" things that Steve wouldn't, and more about Bucky doing the things that military command didn't want attached to the image of Captain America, the symbol.

The things Bucky did were dirty in as much as all war is dirty.

 

[Havok83]

The movie was great but the worst part of it ironically was the Winter Soldier. I never read the comic story but I expected him to have an actual personality. There didn't seem to be a whole lot of substance to him. I wish they had given him more lines and just overall more to do. He was barely in the movie for the first part and wasn't played up as much as I think he should have been

Was Bucky ever an Avenger in the comics?

He served as Captain America on the team a few years back

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Was Bucky ever an Avenger in the comics?

He was on the New Avengers during Dark Reign. He was then on the main Avengers team in the Heroic Age.

He didn't do much on either, though his house served as the New Avengers' hideout.

 

[Sian]

The movie was great but the worst part of it ironically was the Winter Soldier. I never read the comic story but I expected him to have an actual personality. There didn't seem to be a whole lot of substance to him. I wish they had given him more lines and just overall more to do. He was barely in the movie for the first part and wasn't played up as much as I think he should have been



He served as Captain America on the team a few years back

I would have liked to seen more of him myself, but I would rather be left wanting more than have his character arc change too quickly - a lot of people complained Gamora's 'redemption' happened too quickly in GoTG (I wasn't one of them).

What I would like is too see a WS solo film before Cap 3 so Stan can explore the character more. On another note it's a pity we won't see the Natasha/Bucky relationship on screen that was in the comics.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Avengers Assemble : Ghost of the past Cap vs. Bucky

 

[ObakeTora]

I have seen bits of pieces of Cap Am2 but never the whole film in it's entirety. My initial reaction?

10/10

It was everything I imagined a Captain America film should be and it even had flips. Yes, the flips. The action scenes were spot on, the fight scenes were legendary, the plot solid, and the tone serious. Marvel you have arrived and combined with Disney's fat pockets if this is a glimpse of whats to come in CapAm3 I'm going to find a way to hibernate until I see it in theaters.

This movie was so frikin dope (excuse the 90's ref) it had me on my feet at at times, especially the bike helicopter scene. Just....

Ever have those moments where you just can't stop saying damn? I do, and I am having one now.

Just damn.

 

[ObakeTora]

Arguably one of the best superhero films ever made. I'm done.

 

[The Caped Knight]

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

CA: TWS was my favorite Marvel film and one of my fav comic book films. I feel the character of TWS was done great, with the little he said I still felt so much for him. Even now all these months later it still hurts to think about what the character went through all these decades.
Plus to quote MOS: I think he's kinda hott.