The Dark Knight Rises will batman retire in the end?

[DaveMoral]

Not really. Nolan's Batman isn't as mentally tortured as the comics. In the comics, he needs to be Batman in order just to keep sane. These films, its just a mission with an end.

I'm not so sure that's true at all. Especially considering how many times Bruce himself has been told that he needs to be Batman in this very series. By the same character.

 

[Mister Meddle]

Or announced. I'll look it up but I'm also pretty positive one of Nolans requirements is that no one will continue his universe.

Did I not say that it could take place in the same continuity? That doesn't mean it has to be the exact same universe. Compare Burtonverse with the Schumacherverse.

I thought it was obvious it is a major part in the movie. Have you not seen the teaser trailer?And generic ending? Let me guess, your idea of a great ending for this END to a trilogy is some shot of him still fighting for Gotham?
And no insult intended for the fanboy comment. I consider myself a Nolan Batman fanboy.
But honestly I'm curious as to your ideas on how this trilogy will end.

Oops I didn't realize I'm in the fan fiction thread. Oh wait....

And yes, I'd rather see him looking over Gotham or still fighting criminals in the closing of the film. Sounds much better than the main character of a film dieing for the millionth time.

And what if Batman lives and remains in costume? Would it ruin the film for you?

 

[sqwhale]

Yeah, those pesky movies where the main character dies. Happens all of the time!
Him living wouldn't ruin it, no. Just lack an impact as well be a safe ending for the general public.
And I highly highly doubt the reboot will be the same continuity. I'm pretty sure the next series will have more of a sci fi edge to allow villains like Killer Croc and Clayface as well tie it in with the Justice League.

 

[Mister Meddle]

Yeah, those pesky movies where the main character dies. Happens all of the time!
It wouldn't ruin it, no. Just lack an impact as well be a safe ending for the general public.

Good to know that it wouldn't ruin the film for you. IMO Nolan only covered a fraction of Batman's career. Plus he did state that his films are about Batman in his earlier years. I doubt he would pull out the controversial card to generate mixed reactions. I'm confident that he has a way to wrap up his trilogy in a way that will please everybody. There's a reason they leave this stuff to the pro's.

And I highly highly doubt the reboot will be the same continuity. I'm pretty sure the next series will have more of a sci fi edge to allow villains like Killer Croc and Clayface as well tie it in with the Justice League.

So? The Burtonverse was dark, serious and somewhat believable. Compare that with the Schumacherverse that had cheesy villains, very unbelievable elements and nipples. But they both took place in the same continuity. Not like I'm saying it's going to happen for sure but it shouldn't be ruled out.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Not really. Nolan's Batman isn't as mentally tortured as the comics. In the comics, he needs to be Batman in order just to keep sane. These films, its just a mission with an end.

You may think so.

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- Death of his parents

- Finding out the person that was his tutor and father figure was basically involved with their deaths

- Death of Rachel

- Death of Gotham's white knight who even Batman looked to

Not to mention that Nolan's Batman is still only in his first few years as Batman.

 

[sqwhale]

I see everyones points for sure. And I know it's cliche, but I very much trust Nolan and am sure the ending (dead or alive) will be great.
The only thing that can ruin this movie for me is it not coming out.

 

[Troy_Parker]

 

[DaveMoral]

So if Batman lives on to continue as Batman that will lack an impact? Should Luke Skywalker have died in Return of the Jedi did the sake of an impact? That movie has a huge impact IMO. We know Luke continues to be a Jedi Knight, presumably he goes on to be a Jedi Master and teaches others the Jedi way to have a new order if Jedi Knights. George Lucas insists there's no real story to tell after that point and ROTJ is a definitive ending to the story of both the original trilogy and all six films. All of this despite the ending of the Sith.

I don't see any real reason to assume retirement from the job of Batman, given that the pivotal character for Bruce in these movies thus far has been Rachel and she realized at least twice that Bruce will never not need Batman. Even if the LOS is finally defeated, that does not end the possible need of a Batman. Gotham might rise up, they might manage to rid their city of Bane's evil. I don't see that being an end to crime or the mob, that would actually be a ridiculous and cliche'd ending itself. The bad guy is defeated and so is crime forever. Yay! In fact, the aftermath of this cataclysm would leave Gotham extremely vulnerable to the mob or characters like Oswald Cobblepot or Roman Sionis. And at this point, with or without an active Batman, criminals will arise with a theme or theatricality to try to top the legend of the Batman. Shining the signal at night to honor him? You think crazies wouldn't pop up to terrorize the city based on that alone? If Batman inspired the Joker by his own existence then his legend will continue to inspire others like him.

It's kind of amazing how one can use the specter of Christopher Nolan to say "be won't do something cliche" while simultaneously calling for a cliche story point and lacking faith that he could give a powerful conclusion to his story while leaving Batman alive and active at the end of the film

 

[Troy_Parker]

Agreed, great points,

 

[Rodrigo90]

You may think so.

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- Death of his parents

- Finding out the person that was his tutor and father figure was basically involved with their deaths

- Death of Rachel

- Death of Gotham's white knight who even Batman looked to

Not to mention that Nolan's Batman is still only in his first few years as Batman.

The Bruce Wayne/Batman in these films is significantly different to the comics.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Yeah. I think we all know that, but my point still stands.

 

[El Payaso]

I'm sure it has been mentioned but I'm 100% positive that Batman will neither retire nor die simply because WB won't kill the goose with the golden sequels here.

Under NO circumstances.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Yeah. I think we all know that, but my point still stands.

But Bale's Batman doesn't give me the impression that he DESPERATELY needs to be Batman in order to survive. He see's an end, and would quit if his mission to save Gotham was fulfilled. He's been written in a specific way, right from Begins, in order for him to have an end. His mission isn't like the comics, where he wants to protect Gotham, here he wants to see it fight back and save itself, job done.

It would make him look silly if what he set out to do, and what he firmly believed and hoped in just kicked him in the balls

He is a different and specific Batman that will quit. I'm sure of it.

 

[Troy_Parker]

But Bale's Batman doesn't give me the impression that he DESPERATELY needs to be Batman in order to survive. He see's an end, and would quit if his mission to save Gotham was fulfilled. He's been written in a specific way, right from Begins, in order for him to have an end. His mission isn't like the comics, where he wants to protect Gotham, here he wants to see it fight back and save itself, job done.

It would make him look silly if what he set out to do, and what he firmly believed and hoped in just kicked him in the balls

He is a different and specific Batman that will quit. I'm sure of it.

...His mission is still pretty much the same. He's still Gotham's silent guardian, its watchful protector.

In The Dark Knight, Rachel realised that there will never be a day when Gotham and Bruce will no longer need Batman, which is why she decided to move on.

The Dark Knight Rises seems to be a movie where Batman will fall into a very dark place...and then he'll, y'know, rise.

They're not going to have this big movie/trilogy based on Batman's rise, only to have him retire in the end. That's pretty much a slap on the face to everyone that cared about Nolan's Batman not to mention that it'd be ****ting on everything that Nolan has established for his version of Batman.

The only way I see Bruce hanging up the cape and cowl is if Gotham has been suddenly ridden of all evil...or now has some more heroes that have stepped in.

EDIT: And again, this is still early in Batman's career too. I honestly can't see any version of Batman retiring within the first few damn years of his career as Batman...

 

[Rodrigo90]

Good points. Perhaps I'm looking too deeply into The Dark Knight Returns' ending, where he fakes his death. Even though he's crazy, I still stand by Miller's work for Batman...before All Star

 

[Troy_Parker]

 

[Rodrigo90]

I suppose the ending could be a mixed thing. Bruce thought he could quit, but he cant, and Gotham thought they didn't need him, but they do.

But it shouldn't end with Bruce thinking that he's lost at what he set out to do. It should end with Gotham fighting back and saving itself, thanks to Batman's inspiration, but also with the city saying that only with him there can they remain forever strong. A nice ending that works on all notes

 

[The Joker]

So if Batman lives on to continue as Batman that will lack an impact? Should Luke Skywalker have died in Return of the Jedi did the sake of an impact? That movie has a huge impact IMO. We know Luke continues to be a Jedi Knight, presumably he goes on to be a Jedi Master and teaches others the Jedi way to have a new order if Jedi Knights. George Lucas insists there's no real story to tell after that point and ROTJ is a definitive ending to the story of both the original trilogy and all six films. All of this despite the ending of the Sith.

I don't see any real reason to assume retirement from the job of Batman, given that the pivotal character for Bruce in these movies thus far has been Rachel and she realized at least twice that Bruce will never not need Batman. Even if the LOS is finally defeated, that does not end the possible need of a Batman. Gotham might rise up, they might manage to rid their city of Bane's evil. I don't see that being an end to crime or the mob, that would actually be a ridiculous and cliche'd ending itself. The bad guy is defeated and so is crime forever. Yay! In fact, the aftermath of this cataclysm would leave Gotham extremely vulnerable to the mob or characters like Oswald Cobblepot or Roman Sionis. And at this point, with or without an active Batman, criminals will arise with a theme or theatricality to try to top the legend of the Batman. Shining the signal at night to honor him? You think crazies wouldn't pop up to terrorize the city based on that alone? If Batman inspired the Joker by his own existence then his legend will continue to inspire others like him.

It's kind of amazing how one can use the specter of Christopher Nolan to say "be won't do something cliche" while simultaneously calling for a cliche story point and lacking faith that he could give a powerful conclusion to his story while leaving Batman alive and active at the end of the film

This post is a thing of beauty and a joy forever.

 

[Troy_Parker]

I suppose the ending could be a mixed thing. Bruce thought he could quit, but he cant, and Gotham thought they didn't need him, but they do.

But it shouldn't end with Bruce thinking that he's lost at what he set out to do. It should end with Gotham fighting back and saving itself, thanks to Batman's inspiration, but also with the city saying that only with him there can they remain forever strong. A nice ending that works on all notes

This sounds good to me.

 

[sqwhale]

This post is a thing of beauty and a joy forever.

Not really. Only because you agree with it.

My brief rebuttal, I never said I lack faith in Nolan keeping him alive and making the ending good. IMO it would have a deep emotional impact seeing this person sacrifice himself for the city. Did I ever say crime will be rid forever? No. But Batman gave Gotham hope as well as the police force. And sure The Penguin and Black Mask might come to Gotham, but too bad we will never see that happen on film in the Nolanverse.
Again, I would love to hear some of your "non cliche" story points or endings since some of the points I posted seem to be cliche to the " let's keep Nolan Batman alive for our imaginations" camp.

 

[The Joker]

Not really. Only because you agree with it.

Yes really, and not just because I agree with it. Just because you disagree with it doesn't make it any less a brilliant well thought out post.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

If the film is indeed following the Returns arc, then I suppose Batman does retire...

 

[sqwhale]

Also, I wonder how Nolan will handle an ending with Bruce staying alive and Gotham knowing his identity as Batman.
Again to be clear, I never said I think the ending will suck if Batman lives. I'm sure it will be amazing. I just find it funny some of the other fans want an ending where Batman is alive in their imaginations. Reverse question, would it ruin the movie for you guys if Batman dies?

 

[Seifervamp]

batman retire? not after the box office

 

[sqwhale]

batman retire? not after the box office

Again, Nolans Batman story/universe ends with this film with a new universe reboot coming around 2015. Batman retiring or being killed is a possibility.