Will Fanboys Ever Learn?

[JP]

I guess everyone has their own definition of the term.

 

[Heretic]

That sounds lazy. I haven't seen it yet but you make me want to check it out.

I'll spoil the ending:

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One guy stays behind in 1986 because he wants to use his knowledge of the future to get rich...so he forms Motley Crue. The problem with that is that Motley Crue was already a well known band by 1986, with 2 nationally released, successful albums and worldwide tours under their belts...AND THATS THE BIG FINAL JOKE!!! Throw in plenty of songs that werent released yet, a Johnny Depp joke about something he didn't do until 1987...they even screwed up the AFC Championship game by having the wrong years game playing while one guy places bets. You CAN NOT be that lazy and be a movie that is worth even 1 star.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I guess they do. I think that you can be a fanboy of sorts and be reasonable but most aren't. If you dislike a movie for stupid nit-picky reasons or keep believing failure after failure that uber fanboy movies are going to be hits...well you need medication and you are the annoying kind of fanboy.

 

[Matt]

I enjoyed Hot Tub Time Machine, yeah, it had its flaws but if you look past them it is really funny and carried by its very strong cast whole play well developed characters who aren't just comedy cliches, but actually fully rounded people. I think you'd enjoy it SPIDEY.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm going to give it a shot...just like I'm going to give Kick Ass a shot and Scott Pilgrim.

 

[Spider-Vader]

First Class is following X3 and Wolverine - both opened huge but plummeted in the second weekend. People have been burned by this franchise twice now and will be very cautious next summer. I'll be surprised if it doesn't open lower than the original back in July 2000 (which was around $55 million).

Spider-Man 3 was the highest grosser in the series worldwide, but that was built on how much everyone loved the first two and the promise of finally seeing Venom. As we all know it was...truly hated by everyone. I guarantee you we're going to hear a lot of regular people ask, "Why did they replace Tobey?" and not understanding the logic of rebooting so soon. Plus opening the reboot days after Star Trek 2 and two weeks before Batman 3 is beyond foolish. It's going to get eaten alive.

First Class could bomb. But I REALLY doubt Spidey will bomb if it's a good movie. If it's mediocre it will do Superman Returns money, but if it gets good WOM it will be successful, Spidey is one of the most popular super heroes ever (right now second after Batman). People will see his movies.

 

[JP]

I'd be upset if First Class underperformed since it seems to be the first X-men film in a long while with legitimate talent behind it.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I pretty sure Jamie doesn't mean bomb as in Kick Ass numbers. He means that the fanboys are going to be hot to trot about the films and that they aren't going to pull in the kinda numbers that fans think that they are. 3D will help Spidey Redo get to a certain amount but I don't see the numbers coming anywhere close to the Raimi trilogy. It doesn't matter how good it is or how much the fanboys love it, it's just not going to be putting up those kinds of numbers. The same for First Class actually.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Never said either would bomb, but they'd under-perform. There's a difference.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Deep down I know that but I just want to try to shake common sense into some of them atleast.

And Machete is the next fanboy over-hyped movie. It's being directed by a nerd director after all.

The difference is that Robert Rodriguez makes movies cheaply and quickly as opposed to Universal spending $60 million + $30 million in marketing for Scott Pilgrim; Lions Gate paying $25 million for the domestic rights to Kick-Ass and another $20 million marketing campaign; and the mess of the money Warner Bros. had to dish out for Watchmen.

So even if Machete doesn't make big bucks, it should at least be able to make backthe $25 million production + marketing budget if they don't go insane.

 

[Brother Jack]

I think/hope that Scott Pilgrim will find its' audience on DVD. Those who did see it (young adults) all seemed to love it.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The difference is that Robert Rodriguez makes movies cheaply and quickly as opposed to Universal spending $60 million + $30 million in marketing for Scott Pilgrim; Lions Gate paying $25 million for the domestic rights to Kick-Ass and another $20 million marketing campaign; and the mess of the money Warner Bros. had to dish out for Watchmen.

So even if Machete doesn't make big bucks, it should at least be able to make backthe $25 million production + marketing budget if they don't go insane.

It might make back it's budget but I'm not sure yet. I'll wait till it gets closer to predict it. I just hope that my fellow fanboys don't expect 75 to 100mil for this one because it won't be pulling in those kinds of numbers.

 

[redhawk23]

I never expected scott pilgrim to in anyway make a bunch of money this seekend, I was just suprised by how quite bad it did. My theater was packed. It just took me by suprise that it couldn't even edge out The Other Guys

 

[Figs]

It might make back it's budget but I'm not sure yet. I'll wait till it gets closer to predict it. I just hope that my fellow fanboys don't expect 75 to 100mil for this one because it won't be pulling in those kinds of numbers.

You talking about opening weekend or overall?

I also don't think it will make much but a good look into it's possible BO will be what Expendables ends up with...somewhat. I think both movies share the same group of fans/moviegoers, so The Expendables BO could be a decent indicator of what it could make, key word "could" of course.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It couldn't even edge out Inception in it's fifth weekend.

 

[redhawk23]

I don't think they expect machete to make any large sums of money. It isn't even aiming for a wider audiance. It has its niche and the makers know it. It will make a modest sum of money when the final grosses and dvd sales are tallied. This movie was made because everyone involved have wanted to make it for years.

 

[redhawk23]

It couldn't even edge out Inception in it's fifth weekend.

exactly. I had no idea it was going to do that badly. Niche appeal or not, I figured it'd do a little better.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

You talking about opening weekend or overall?

I also don't think it will make much but a good look into it's possible BO will be what Expendables ends up with...somewhat. I think both movies share the same group of fans/moviegoers, so The Expendables BO could be a decent indicator of what it could make, key word "could" of course.

Ofcourse I mean overall. This movie has nothing to do with The Expendables. TE put a bunch of old action stars/tough guys in the movie so they could make a ton of money. Trejo, Lohan and Alba are not going to be bringing the big bucks in. Some in the cast may be talented but they won't put buts in seats and the movie is a sorta spinoff of a failure. It won't be a big hit.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

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[I SEE SPIDEY]

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[topdog1]

1. Everyone in this thread is a fanboy.

I think people need to realize that there are different levels of fanboy and even fanboy specialists if you will. Not every comic book fan will automatically support every comic book film.

Judging by the trailers alone, it was EASY to see that Scott Pilgram and Kick Ass had NO chance to appeal to general audiences regardless of quality. You can't convey what those films will deliver in short bursts. They both looked juvenile and silly based on the trailers and commercials. I'm a fanboy but paid to see Expendables on Friday because that film appealed to me more, regardless of any source material. I also saw and disliked Watchmen and warned off friends and family. Why do fans think that a film should be immune from backlash simply because it originates from a comic?

My fanboy focus is usually Marvel yet I did the same thing for Punisher War Zone. Saw it was crap and warned friends and family off the thing.

Never said either would bomb, but they'd under-perform. There's a difference.

Spider-Reboot will underperform because a lot of fanboys feel like general audiences are going to feel... that this reboot is unnecessary and that Tobey Maguire IS Peter Parker. Can't say that fanboy and "regular" folk reaction is going to be different on that one. Sony's rights retaining reboot isn't sitting well with many at this point, trust me.

Sometimes, however, box office reflects quality. Iron Man 2 is undoubtedly a better movie than Inception cwink: @ I SEE SPIDEY) and deserves to outgross it domestically. I have no doubt that IM2 will have better DVD sales as well. It's eminently more rewatchable. Once you know the ending of Inception, it loses a lot of it's edgy appeal. I didn't see anyone posting that TDK didn't deserve its incredible box office a few years back.

 

[topdog1]

1. Everyone in this thread is a fanboy.

I think people need to realize that there are different levels of fanboy and even fanboy specialists if you will. Not every comic book fan will automatically support every comic book film.

Judging by the trailers alone, it was EASY to see that Scott Pilgram and Kick Ass had NO chance to appeal to general audiences regardless of quality. You can't convey what those films will deliver in short bursts. They both looked juvenile and silly based on the trailers and commercials. I'm a fanboy but paid to see Expendables on Friday because that film appealed to me more, regardless of any source material. I also saw and disliked Watchmen and warned off friends and family. Why do fans think that a film should be immune from backlash simply because it originates from a comic?

My fanboy focus is usually Marvel yet I did the same thing for Punisher War Zone. Saw it was crap and warned friends and family off the thing.

Never said either would bomb, but they'd under-perform. There's a difference.

Spider-Reboot will underperform because a lot of fanboys feel like general audiences are going to feel... that this reboot is unnecessary and that Tobey Maguire IS Peter Parker. Can't say that fanboy and "regular" folk reaction is going to be different on that one. Sony's rights retaining reboot isn't sitting well with many at this point, trust me.

Sometimes, however, box office reflects quality. Iron Man 2 is undoubtedly a better movie than Inception cwink: @ I SEE SPIDEY) and deserves to outgross it domestically. I have no doubt that IM2 will have better DVD sales as well. It's eminently more rewatchable. Once you know the ending of Inception, it loses a lot of it's edgy appeal. I didn't see anyone posting that TDK didn't deserve its incredible box office a few years back.

 

[Figs]

Ofcourse I mean overall. This movie has nothing to do with The Expendables. TE put a bunch of old action stars/tough guys in the movie so they could make a ton of money. Trejo, Lohan and Alba are not going to be bringing the big bucks in. Some in the cast may be talented but they won't put buts in seats and the movie is a sorta spinoff of a failure. It won't be a big hit. If it is, I'll give you my address so you can send me some crow.

That's why I said it could be a 'decent indicator'. I don't expect it to make the same, was just saying it should attract the same types of people that love that old style action film.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Ofcourse I mean overall. This movie has nothing to do with The Expendables. TE put a bunch of old action stars/tough guys in the movie so they could make a ton of money. Trejo, Lohan and Alba are not going to be bringing the big bucks in. Some in the cast may be talented but they won't put buts in seats and the movie is a sorta spinoff of a failure. It won't be a big hit.

A cheap movie like Machete doesn't need to be a big hit to begin with and it isn't being designed to be a big hit.

Yeah it's a fanboy movie, but it's okay because it has a $25 million budget. It'll easily make it's money back as long as 20th Century Fox doesn't go crazy with the marketing budget.

Kick-Ass also had an acceptable budget. It's a fanboy film and Marv Films treated it as such. The problem lied with Lions Gate which bought the domestic rights to the film as opposed to simply distributing it like what Paramount does with Marvel Studios and collecting a mere distributor's fee and spending a crap load on marketing that amounted to nothing.

Now when you get to the amount that was spent on Scott Pilgrim, also a fanboy movie, that is unacceptable. More people need to get fired over that financial fiasco, no matter how great the movie is (and I really, really loved it).

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I agree Hippy Hunter, somebody needs to be fired over how much money was spent on Scott Pilgrim. 60 to 90mil budget and atleast 30mil to market it judging by how much I saw of the flick. The movie shouldn't have cost more than 30mil to be honest because it was never going to hit. The only reason I even remotely care about Pilgrim bombing is my love for Wright. Hot Fuzz and Shaun of Dead are brillaint comedies and he deserves great success.