Will Fanboys Ever Learn?

[GhostPoet]

I think SP is too "different" for americans...it'll be much more appreciated overseas.

 

[Tron Bonne]

That's basically been the way his other films went

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I think SP is too "different" for americans...it'll be much more appreciated overseas.

You do realize all those bad summer movies we hate universally make more overseas right?

 

[Tron Bonne]

That doesn't really matter to what he was saying...

 

[terry78]

Lolz.

 

[GhostPoet]

I'm just saying when a film is more stylized like this...or even something like Kung Fu Hustle (my personal favorite) it's rarely received well in the states because the general audience finds it too "weird".

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The general overseas audience are just as dumb as the Americans are.

 

[terry78]

The general overseas audience are just as dumb as the Americans are.

True, but they will always say, "at least we're not American dumb."

 

[Leenie]

So "fanboys" shouldn't root for a movie they like to succeed with the mainstream audience? Okay ...

Kick-Ass is one of my favorite movies of the year, so I was really rooting for it to do well, but I knew it was going to be a cult classic. It would have been nice if it had made more money in the box office, though.

I'm not shocked about Scott Pilgrim's box office numbers at all. I loved it, but it's an alienating movie to those outside of the nerd bracket. People will either get it completely or they won't get it at all. While I'm not surprised, I'm still rooting for it to have some legs in the box office ... And I don't think that's a bad thing.

I think that Watchmen could have been a blockbuster, especially since there was a ton of buzz surrounding it for several months. Mainstream audiences seemed interested as well, but I think the movie's problem was the very mediocre word of mouth.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Given the release date, Marvel Banner, hype promotion parade that this movie will have going for it's pretty likely this movie will open up Summer and be the typical 100 + Million opener that comes with the territory.

It's new and different and will attract a dichotomy audience.

Girls who think Hemsworth is dreamy - Check
Fantasy nuts who will see the sets and wonder what this movie is all about
Comic book fan nuts of the Marvel ilk who will see this movie just to set up thier desire to see Captain America 2 months late
General Action movie fans who desire to see the first big movie of the summer.



- Now place on top of that some really fantastic cast member the high proabability that this is going to an epic kind of film and you have the makings of 400 + Million domesitic take. If it lives up to what we all think it's going to be.

Is this what the TC was talking about?

 

[solidsnake86]

Exactly. Not even all superhero fans like the Watchmen comic. I have always had mixed feelings towards it myself. The main superhero movies that have underperformed that has surprised me to a degree are the Hulk movies. I think it was the weirdness of the Ang Lee one coupled with the Hulk as a CGI character which is a hurdle for a lot of people.

I completely agree with this, and especially because the technology as of those movies was just not up to standards of having the main character being CG. I still think they could have pulled it off live action with camera tricks and a body builder. Especially considering the hulk had the tv series with lou ferrigno.

 

[GhostPoet]

I completely agree with this, and especially because the technology as of those movies was just not up to standards of having the main character being CG. I still think they could have pulled it off live action with camera tricks and a body builder. Especially considering the hulk had the tv series with lou ferrigno.

I agree that a CGI character can hurt a movie in many cases.

but in this case...I just don't think it would have looked as good with a live actor. For the amount of work it would take to manipulate the appearance, they may as well just do CGI.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Any spidey film that can stand up against and wipe the floor with a star wars movie can do just fine against star trek and batman 3. This new spidey flick will do surprisingly well, I guarantee you that with unwavering conviction.

You're talking about a Spider-man movie post Spider-man 3 (which, yes, did make a lot of money, but had a largely lukewarm reception from fans) and now a Spider-man film that's a complete reboot in a relatively short amount of time. The new Spider-man movie will have to fight against the people who don't realize it's a reboot (and believe me, people won't, there were new stations calling BB a prequel to the old Batman series) and won't want to see it because they didn't like SM3, and the people who liked the old series and are ticked that it got rebooted.

Not to mention that B3 is a sequel to the most successful comic book movie of all time, directed by a director who just had another big hit.

The star wars movies don't really compare to that, considering the star wars movies you're talking about have never gained the popularity of the original trilogy, and in some cases are downright hated by fans.

 

[Doctor Jones]

But SM3 made alot at the box office. Surely people liked it that made it make that much money? If it was hated by everyone, the movie wouldn't have made that much. I think just the fans were sour towards it. I think the GA for the most part dug it, and they have known Tobey as their Spider-Man for all these years. Most people out there have no idea a reboot is happening or that even a new Spider-Man has been cast. When it's all revealed, I have no idea how they could react. The trailer has got to impress them I guess. Then the quality of the film and Garfield.

 

[Sam Fisher]

I can bet you most of the SM3 hate from fans comes from the online geek community and not mainstream audiances.

 

[Infinity9999x]

But SM3 made alot at the box office. Surely people liked it that made it make that much money? If it was hated by everyone, the movie wouldn't have made that much. I think just the fans were sour towards it. I think the GA for the most part dug it, and they have known Tobey as their Spider-Man for all these years. Most people out there have no idea a reboot is happening or that even a new Spider-Man has been cast. When it's all revealed, I have no idea how they could react. The trailer has got to impress them I guess. Then the quality of the film and Garfield.

Movies making a lot don't necessarily mean the movie was well received. JP2 made more money then JP, but I have yet to meet someone who actually said they liked JP2 more then Jurassic Park. SM3 was riding off SM2, and it had the added benefit of being kid friendly, so the preteen crowd had their parents drag them back to it multiple times.

Also, SM3 really wasn't that bad. Not nearly as bad as the fans made it out to be. But overall, I'd say reception in the teen to mid 30's crowd was lukewarm, so I wouldn't be surprised if there's a drop in attendance. And as you said, unless the trailer really impresses, the reboot, and the fact that new actors are playing the characters, could really turn some people off.

And like I said above, B3 and Star Trek are going to be formidable competition. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. Spider-man is one of my favorite characters, but I'm not going to bet on Spidey out of those three movies.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Movies making a lot don't necessarily mean the movie was well received. JP2 made more money then JP, but I have yet to meet someone who actually said they liked JP2 more then Jurassic Park. SM3 was riding off SM2, and it had the added benefit of being kid friendly, so the preteen crowd had their parents drag them back to it multiple times.

Also, SM3 really wasn't that bad. Not nearly as bad as the fans made it out to be. But overall, I'd say reception in the teen to mid 30's crowd was lukewarm, so I wouldn't be surprised if there's a drop in attendance. And as you said, unless the trailer really impresses, the reboot, and the fact that new actors are playing the characters, could really turn some people off.

And like I said above, B3 and Star Trek are going to be formidable competition. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. Spider-man is one of my favorite characters, but I'm not going to bet on Spidey out of those three movies.

I believe JP made alot more than the secondf film. JP made around $900 million worldwide and JP2 made around $600 million.

Agreed. And the fact that this reboot is so damn sudden might get people confused and turn people off. I mean this is five years later. People still might have been waiting for a fourth one, then whoah, new cast and reboot? How will they respond to that?

I've always said, and Raimi said this too, that no matter who you put in the suit, Spider-Man is their hero, and people will still see it. But with this reboot happening so soon, that notion will be more questionable.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I believe JP made alot more than the secondf film. JP made around $900 million worldwide and JP2 made around $600 million.

Agreed. And the fact that this reboot is so damn sudden might get people confused and turn people off. I mean this is five years later. People still might have been waiting for a fourth one, then whoah, new cast and reboot? How will they respond to that?

I've always said, and Raimi said this too, that no matter who you put in the suit, Spider-Man is their hero, and people will still see it. But with this reboot happening so soon, that notion will be more questionable.

You're right about JP. I don't know where I got that notion. Maybe JP2 had a bigger opening weekend? Either way, I do hope Spidey does well, because I love the character. But we have to keep in mind that (in my opinion) Batman 3 and Star Trek will probably both provide more competition then a star wars prequel movie, as the original poster implied.

B3 is coming off the biggest superhero movie of all time. No, I don't think it will do TDK numbers, but Nolan has shown that he can make big hits. People like his style. That movies is going to do well. And Star Trek is coming off a movie with lots of popular buzz surrounding it. Spider-man is going to have to work uphill through a lot of negativity. But a very good trailer will certainly help.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah, in 1997 JP2 held the record for highest opening weekend.

I agree, B3 definitely won't make TDK numbers, but now people have embraced TDK and are digging Inception so they will flock to Nolan's films. Same with ST2. It was a great success and that includes the audience it got from DVD sales. So people will look forward to those. It also depends on release dates.

The reboot opens two weeks before B3. That is going to be tough. Because once B3 hits, it's gonna take over, especially if the reboot isn't good. Just hope it's a great film and it clicks immediately. I really hope they succeed.

A very good trailer should sell the fact that this is a new beginning, and sell Garfield as Peter by giving him great moments that will get the GA's attention and interest. Hell, make Garfield and Spider-Man the main selling points of the trailers. Like Ledger was for the Joker in the December TDK teaser. And of course, new money shots that will make people get excited for Spider-Man all over again.

But I think the audience they already have is the kids. Kids probably recognize Tobey as Spider-Man, but to them, Spider-Man is who they see. They just want to see him doing his thing that they love. So I'm beginning to think Raimi was right in that regard.

 

[Octoberist]

The Spider-Man reboot will be interesting because, there's rumors that Peter will be in college. That, and I'm sure the Osborns will be around still.

Because Raimi's Spider-Man movies have been successful and influential, I'm curious to see how they handle this one especially if it's dealing with an older Paker. The potential for confusion is high. I'm sure there will be a 'recap' prologue at the beginning of the film.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

It's style is definitely different which I like. But people seem to be acting like this is as original as District 9 or Inception. It's still based on a comic. The visuals are just about the only thing original.

Well, yeah. The entire story of D9 itself is original. It didn't exist already from a comic or book. I mean Scott Pilgram as a comic is original, but the film is an adaptation of it. The choosing of the visuals is original, but it's still from a comic.

If being based on a comic disqualifies originality, Inception can't be on the original list.

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Give Scott Pilgrim credit for at least admitting it came from a comic.

The main superhero movies that have underperformed that has surprised me to a degree are the Hulk movies. I think it was the weirdness of the Ang Lee one coupled with the Hulk as a CGI character which is a hurdle for a lot of people.

The problem is that you can't put the words "Hulk" and "character" in the same sentence while talking about any onscreen version so far. At this point, he's been a body builder in comical looking green makeup playing a mute non-character and two CGI mute non-characters who only seem to show up for the "wow" factor instead of getting character development. They keep naming these things after the Hulk and keep treating it like Bruce Banner is the title character. Now he's been developed to death!

I completely agree with this, and especially because the technology as of those movies was just not up to standards of having the main character being CG. I still think they could have pulled it off live action with camera tricks and a body builder. Especially considering the hulk had the tv series with lou ferrigno.

You do recall what that looked like, right?

The TV show actually performed about like the movies have. "OK" but not great. It never broke the top 25 in the yearly ratings that I know of. (And that was before cable took over) That may not be the template to follow.

Gollum worked. He worked so well that he was perhaps the most talked about character in the LOTR movies. (not counting girls and Orlando Bloom) Amazing how well audiences will accept a CGI character that is actually a character in the movie.

I've always said, and Raimi said this too, that no matter who you put in the suit, Spider-Man is their hero, and people will still see it. But with this reboot happening so soon, that notion will be more questionable.

That's probably true. I'm not even sure the general public knows Tobey Maguire's name that well. He certainly wasn't the reason people went to see the Spider-Man movies. Sometimes the character is the reason.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I bet the WB is shaking in their corporate boots about SUCKER PUNCH. Almost everything you can level at Scott Pilgrim about it's failure could be applied to it.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Sucker Punch will have no competition though.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Sucker Punch will have no competition though.

I'm pretty sure Battle Los Angeles comes out two weeks before.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The Sucker Punch trailer could capture the public's imagination like 300 did.