Will Hulk be leaping and running fast in the movie?

[JeetKuneDo]

a tv DD series would be awesome and wouldnt cost much, hell, i bet it would be cheaper than Smallville

Oh man...I would be there every week! I would lie to my friends to stay home and watch it.

lets see, lets put up Kong against Jessica Alba and you tell me who was the better actor from F4 to KK, lets put up Gollum against the thing (Chicklis, IMO, is a good actor, the shield rocks). I bet your ass people would vote for the CGI characters and that right there proves your point about CGI not matching up to real actors wrong.

People might vote for the CGI, but it would be out of a bias. As bad as Alba can be, she can still show more nuanced and wider ranged emotions than the CGI Kong or Gollum. She has a real human face...a huge advantage. The movie Thing of course isn't a human face so does not belong in this discussion. But even his eyes could do more than a CGI character is capable of.

Kong isnt stupid, I know Hulk has the history of talking but his story and Kongs story match, thats what i'm getting at here, sure they match others as well but those two are the only monsters with this type of stories.

The stories have similar elements but the Hulk is still a talking character. Something like Free Willy isn't...so it would make sense for him not to talk.

Betty never talked in her scene with Hulk , if you are talking about the helicopter pilots or th tank guys, then they needed to talk, hulk just needed to kick their ass.

So everyone else can talk during action scenes...but the Hulk can't?

Yep...Betty talked. The Hulk stared at her. That may have been a good time to have the guy say something so he didn't look so ridiculous.

if you think the CGI looked poor when he was jumping around, then i really got nothing to say, there is noway that CGI looked poor IMO, it was actually one of the more perfect scenes.

Totally agreed. That CGI was every bit as well done as Gollum. Audience perceptions were influenced by the way the two characters were protrayed.

well, i'm not saying it wont work 100%, just that it there's a HUGE chance for it not to work. I cant remember a HUGE and powerful character like Hulk talking in third person that worked to be honest.

Don't be married to the "third-person" thing. There are many ways the guy can talk.
I'd say there is also a huge chance it won't work with a mute Hulk. As a matter of fact, it has already not worked once. We've seen it happen. How about trying an authentic Hulk this time? We have no evidence that it won't work other than fear. If the makers are fearful of failure they should quit and make an easier movie. They may be in the wrong business.

You know my opinion on SW, the whole, talking in third person and also backwards thing was pissing me off, learn to talk right dammit!!!

But...but...he's Yoda!

what do you mean by anomalies?... In the comics, no one has been more ass raped by different writers than Hulk, there are sooooooo many different versions of savage Hulk, its actually quite sad that Marvel let this happen to him. Ang didnt have a definite version to follow, so he went back, back to the start. Thats what i think anyway. The current version of SH isnt what Stan created or altered in TTA. About the tv series, they only got one thing right IMO, that was Banner, Bixby's banner was nearly perfect but the Hulk was crap.

I got so tired of looking at Bill Bixby's face that it just made me mad after a while. It was the "David Banner Show". (Whoever that is.)
An anomaly would be a character that has talked for 45 years...only losing the power of speech in a 4 year span of a bad TV show. The mute Hulk is the anomaly. Judging by how quickly the TV show left the air, the mute Hulk is not the superior character.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

No problem, everyone gets annoyed, I've lost my temper on here more then a few times as well.

Cool.

but he chose to do Hulk, he could have made T3 instead but he went for Hulk. I dont think it was a "well, you guys are giving me this, i guess i'll have a go at it", i think he saw something about the Hulk that he liked, that made Hulk more than just a comicbook character to him.

True and I don't think his reaction would've been quite so nonchalant as, "Well, I guess I'll do it" (as if he doesn't want to). It's just that the comment he made - the Jerry Maguire he pulled, if that says it better LOL - as reported by you and others here, to me, suggests his feeling is that he's not the most qualified person for the job.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. I'm going strictly by what people like you have said about this alleged comment by Ang "I don't how to make a comic book movie" and giving you my take on it. And I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt at that, because I honestly can't hear those words coming out of a-director-as-accomplished-as-Ang's mouth. It seems like a comment that's been subject to legendary embellishment, sort of like what happens you play the "phone" game with your friends as a kid. One person says something and by the time it reaches the end of the food chain, you've got something entirely different from what was originally said.

But again, who cares. If he said it, fine. If not, fine. Ang Lee directed the Hulk. On to something else...

I think Hulk the end is more loved than hated IMO but yeah, some people dont like it. I dont really know if i want to think of him as a superhero, like one of the producers said when they were promoting the 03 movie, Hulk doesnt wake up everyday and go "right, who can i save today". Personally, i think he's the bad guy fighting for the good side. If you piss him off, it doesnt matter if you are Spidey or Dr Doom, he will kick your ass the same way, where as other superhero's will think twice before going after one of the good guys. But, like all hero's, when he has to, he will save people when their lives are in danger.

What... what's this? Sava, the ardent Hulk fan himself and Jun Ji Hyun's biggest promoter, doesn't know what he feels about an issue concerning the Hulk?? Stop the press. Hide your women and children. Find an abandoned shelter. lol

No, I think your comment "I think he's the bad guy fighting for the good side" is interesting and I tend to agree, based on the comics, that he wouldn't think twice about going after one of the good guys. I'm just not sure how we define superhero and am not going to take a position here. It's a topic unto itself and we've already got, like, 50 million subtopics going on in this thread.

you havent watched Brokeback mountain?... thats probably his best overall work IMO.

No, I haven't and I'm pretty sure I don't want to, for reasons that have nothing to do with this conversation. Perhaps another movie you can recommend?

lol, i think looks wise, the new Hulk will be way more popular and hell, even i have to admit that pic was just pure awesomeness and if they attach it to a great Hulk body, it'll be better than the one(s) from the first movie. All that matters is the CGI's acting, thats where i think Ang made the first Hulk so great, hopefully, Norton can better that and R&H will help him.

Still undecided how I feel about the head shot. It definitely screams "badass" like everyone keeps saying, but like you, I feel a need to see it attached to his body and in action before I can make any real qualitative assessment as to whether I like it or not. The "new official artwork"? Actually LOVE that for some reason... it's more primal than the first Hulk and reminds me of some of his earlier incarnations, which is what I fell in love with. The more natural-looking hair also is an improvement over the headshot, IMO, but rest assured I loved and always will love the first Hulk, regardless of anything they do in TIH.

And I'll agree the CGI in the first movie was outstanding, with a few minor exceptions: (1) when he transforms in the hallway at his science building (legs and feet look a little too "rubbery," almost like Gumby); (2) when they show Betty and him standing side-by-side in the woods (the victim of bad lighting); and (3) when he looks up at the helicopter and expresses his disgust during one scene in the desert (appeared as though the editor ran out of time or was otherwise unable to perfect Hulk's facial expression/movements). And overall, maybe he was little too chlorophyll green at times (e.g., in the underground lab), but NEVER Shrek, which is completely assinine of a comparison. Hulk fans should be banned from theaters in June 2008 for saying that.

yeah, its like a KingKong ripoff

Yeah, it is/was... classic case of chicken and the egg. I don't know which came first and don't really care. To make people happy, I'll just say Kong came first.

it took me a while to notice that Betty and Bruce's mom looked VERY similar

Cara Buono, the actor who played the mom... it's off-topic, but I have to say I found her to be stunning in every way the same as you find Jun Ji stunning. Damn... only regret she didn't have more screen time. [bites fist]

I have to admit that talking about the TV show does make me appreciate Ang Lee a little more. At least we didn't get "jogging Harpo pretty strong weight-lifter guy". The look of the Hulk was pretty much exactly what I was hoping for. (Other than the bizarre size) So I'll give Ang a thumbs up for that part.

Whatever it takes. lol Again, I think there must be a difference in age between us that principally accounts for the different ways each of us regarded the show, with you being the elder. I mean, you see a jogger; I see a freakish beast whose jogging only adds to the drama of it all. It's almost closer to slow-motion in terms of an artistic effect. But even going back and watching episodes at this stage of my life, I still don't know what it is that you or others saw that wasn't to like. Maybe I'm just a little more lenient in my criticism? For kicks, here's a 5-minute clip from the Hulk vs. Thor episode.

I do think it would be better to not have to deal with the Hulk-light perception that show created. There was a Spider-Man TV show at about the same time and it failed. Thank god the first Spidey movie didn't have to deal with a false image and audiences expecting a mute Spidey who could barely swing on his web. (Yes...that show also featured a mute title character. This shows you how bad TV-Hollywood can screw this stuff up.)

Wasn't aware of the Spider-Man show... that must've been awful... but I don't think it's quite the same for the Hulk. A mute Spidey is especially ridiculous because he's a nerd "with greatness thrust upon him" (or so someone's signature line on the Hype says). What nerd would ever keep his mouth shut under such circumstances? But the Hulk? He's a monster. What monsters speak intelligibly?

See, I don't approach the issue on the basis of "anomalies in the Hulk's history as the norm" but rather, what makes sense. For me, there was no need for the TV show Hulk to articulate words like human beings - especially since he progressed beyond the point of being a true human being with each transformation - but that's my opinion and who cares. In the first movie, I tend to agree with Sava in saying that Ang Lee was masterful in pulling it all off... but for the next movie, I hope the Hulk says more so that ordinary people won't be disillusioned by a mute Hulk/main character, as they were before. I think it'd be great, actually, if they could achieve full-service dialogue with the Abomination in TIH... but at the same, I could see mute battle sequences (outside of the sounds of destruction) being completely awesome if done right. The silence, to me, would play up the whole badass-ness of it all... two guys that do their talking through their smashing, so to speak.

More to reply to, but I've gotta run.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I want the Hulk to be as close to the comic in power levels as possible. Hulk is the strongest one there is. Because of this his leaping ability should be displayed as such. The first movie did an excellent job displaying it. I loved the Hulk running fast. A creature that can leap miles at a time, with his strength factor, should have the ability to propel himself several hundreds of miles an hour.

 

[Sava]

Oh man...I would be there every week! I would lie to my friends to stay home and watch it.

me too, shame Fox wont do it

People might vote for the CGI, but it would be out of a bias. As bad as Alba can be, she can still show more nuanced and wider ranged emotions than the CGI Kong or Gollum. She has a real human face...a huge advantage. The movie Thing of course isn't a human face so does not belong in this discussion. But even his eyes could do more than a CGI character is capable of.

i disagree but like you said, lets just move on

The stories have similar elements but the Hulk is still a talking character. Something like Free Willy isn't...so it would make sense for him not to talk.

so talking is the only thing thats separating Hulk and Kong's stories ?

So everyone else can talk during action scenes...but the Hulk can't?

Yep...Betty talked. The Hulk stared at her. That may have been a good time to have the guy say something so he didn't look so ridiculous.

i think Betty said one word... his name, then she was quiet too. But yeah, he should have said something there.

Totally agreed. That CGI was every bit as well done as Gollum. Audience perceptions were influenced by the way the two characters were protrayed.

I wish that scene was longer, i wish they kept more of what Ang wanted to do.

Don't be married to the "third-person" thing. There are many ways the guy can talk.
I'd say there is also a huge chance it won't work with a mute Hulk. As a matter of fact, it has already not worked once. We've seen it happen. How about trying an authentic Hulk this time? We have no evidence that it won't work other than fear. If the makers are fearful of failure they should quit and make an easier movie. They may be in the wrong business.

Well, for alot of people here, SH has to talk in third person, if not, he's not the real SH

But...but...he's Yoda!

but..i hate star wars

I got so tired of looking at Bill Bixby's face that it just made me mad after a while. It was the "David Banner Show". (Whoever that is.)
An anomaly would be a character that has talked for 45 years...only losing the power of speech in a 4 year span of a bad TV show. The mute Hulk is the anomaly. Judging by how quickly the TV show left the air, the mute Hulk is not the superior character.

i think it was the budget that stopped them from adding more Hulk scenes and i dont think the show stopped because the ratings were donw, i think Bixby wanted to move on, thats why they did tv movies

 

[Sava]

True and I don't think his reaction would've been quite so nonchalant as, "Well, I guess I'll do it" (as if he doesn't want to). It's just that the comment he made - the Jerry Maguire he pulled, if that says it better LOL - as reported by you and others here, to me, suggests his feeling is that he's not the most qualified person for the job..

Anyway, it doesn't matter. I'm going strictly by what people like you have said about this alleged comment by Ang "I don't how to make a comic book movie" and giving you my take on it. And I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt at that, because I honestly can't hear those words coming out of a-director-as-accomplished-as-Ang's mouth. It seems like a comment that's been subject to legendary embellishment, sort of like what happens you play the "phone" game with your friends as a kid. One person says something and by the time it reaches the end of the food chain, you've got something entirely different from what was originally said.

But again, who cares. If he said it, fine. If not, fine. Ang Lee directed the Hulk. On to something else...

ok

What... what's this? Sava, the ardent Hulk fan himself and Jun Ji Hyun's biggest promoter, doesn't know what he feels about an issue concerning the Hulk?? Stop the press. Hide your women and children. Find an abandoned shelter. lol

lol, i prefer the anti hero Hulk to the others, one of the reasons i like Mr Fixit

No, I think your comment "I think he's the bad guy fighting for the good side" is interesting and I tend to agree, based on the comics, that he wouldn't think twice about going after one of the good guys. I'm just not sure how we define superhero and am not going to take a position here. It's a topic unto itself and we've already got, like, 50 million subtopics going on in this thread.

yeah, it seems like all you need to do is have super powers and then go after bad guys, dont even protect the innocent, just kill bad guys.

No, I haven't and I'm pretty sure I don't want to, for reasons that have nothing to do with this conversation. Perhaps another movie you can recommend?

other than that, i've seen CTHD and Sense and sensibility, but i've heard that the Ice storm is great but never got around to seeing it

Still undecided how I feel about the head shot. It definitely screams "badass" like everyone keeps saying, but like you, I feel a need to see it attached to his body and in action before I can make any real qualitative assessment as to whether I like it or not. The "new official artwork"? Actually LOVE that for some reason... it's more primal than the first Hulk and reminds me of some of his earlier incarnations, which is what I fell in love with. The more natural-looking hair also is an improvement over the headshot, IMO, but rest assured I loved and always will love the first Hulk, regardless of anything they do in TIH.

same here ... hope we get something before Xmas

And I'll agree the CGI in the first movie was outstanding, with a few minor exceptions: (1) when he transforms in the hallway at his science building (legs and feet look a little too "rubbery," almost like Gumby); (2) when they show Betty and him standing side-by-side in the woods (the victim of bad lighting); and (3) when he looks up at the helicopter and expresses his disgust during one scene in the desert (appeared as though the editor ran out of time or was otherwise unable to perfect Hulk's facial expression/movements). And overall, maybe he was little too chlorophyll green at times (e.g., in the underground lab), but NEVER Shrek, which is completely assinine of a comparison. Hulk fans should be banned from theaters in June 2008 for saying that.

thank you, it pisses me off when someone says Hulk looked like shrek

Cara Buono, the actor who played the mom... it's off-topic, but I have to say I found her to be stunning in every way the same as you find Jun Ji stunning. Damn... only regret she didn't have more screen time. [bites fist]

same here, awesome face

 

[JeetKuneDo]

No, I haven't and I'm pretty sure I don't want to, for reasons that have nothing to do with this conversation. Perhaps another movie you can recommend?

Sense and Sensibility and Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon are both excellent IMO. I've also heard good things about The Ice Storm but haven't seen it.

Whatever it takes. lol Again, I think there must be a difference in age between us that principally accounts for the different ways each of us regarded the show, with you being the elder. I mean, you see a jogger; I see a freakish beast whose jogging only adds to the drama of it all. It's almost closer to slow-motion in terms of an artistic effect. But even going back and watching episodes at this stage of my life, I still don't know what it is that you or others saw that wasn't to like. Maybe I'm just a little more lenient in my criticism? For kicks, here's a 5-minute clip from the Hulk vs. Thor episode.

I was 16 when the TV show came out and it was a huge letdown for me. I was in the middle of my infatuation with the comic. The Hulk never even appeared on that show for my money.

That clip was interesting. (And funny) I still have problems with it. God bless Lou, but the "bodybuilder flex" over and over also got on my nerves. The growl was good (good enough for the movie)...but unfortunately that's all he could do. A few words at Thor (who was trying very hard to have a conversation with Hulk) would have helped tremendously.

Nice that they allowed the Hulk to survive that leap from the tall building without limping off. I saw one episode where the Hulk limped for the whole show after a forklift ran into his leg. That may have been the moment that made me throw something at the TV and stop watching the show.

But man...they really raped Thor too. Wow... Now I know what "Thor-light" would look like. I wonder if they were considering a show for him at the time? Did anyone at that studio ever even pick up a comic book?

Wasn't aware of the Spider-Man show... that must've been awful... but I don't think it's quite the same for the Hulk. A mute Spidey is especially ridiculous because he's a nerd "with greatness thrust upon him" (or so someone's signature line on the Hype says). What nerd would ever keep his mouth shut under such circumstances? But the Hulk? He's a monster. What monsters speak intelligibly?

The Spider-Man show was similar to the Hulk show. Peter Parker (yay! they used his real name!) did plenty of talking and was onscreen 99% of the time. Spidey would show up for a few seconds, say nothing, and do pretty much nothing. Ouch. I think they had a bit of footage of him swinging toward a building that they used in every episode. It was a miserable time for me as a Spidey and Hulk fan.

Something tells me YouTube could have something on this.. (2 minutes later) Found it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne_trVj6SaY

so talking is the only thing thats separating Hulk and Kong's stories ?

Nah...that's what separates a speaking character from a non-speaking character.

thank you, it pisses me off when someone says Hulk looked like shrek

Things like that usually just meant someone didn't want to like the movie going in and were just reaching for something they thought sounded witty. I heard that one a lot myself.

 

[Sava]

Nah...that's what separates a speaking character from a non-speaking character.

lets forget the speaking and that not looking like each other part, just their stories, they are pretty similar IMO

Things like that usually just meant someone didn't want to like the movie going in and were just reaching for something they thought sounded witty. I heard that one a lot myself.

yeah, still pisses me off after something like 4 years of hearing it.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

If by "mood" you mean "hurry up and get this Hulk stuff over with so we can get back to giving Bill Bixby more face time" then yeah...that would disappoint me.

No. More like the "oh s***, it's all goin' down" feeling you get (or that I got, anyway) when his eyes turned white and the pants and shirt started ripping. More growling, more flexing of his muscles (figuratively, not like Lou Ferrigno), more a display of brute strength and overall scariness. More "you just picked the wrong fight" and less psychoanalysis. Yeah... THAT sort of mood.

But I see you've given the first movie a "hated it" billing anyway, so I'm not sure what, if anything, can or will impress you in TIH. Come on, you hated it? As in, couldn't find anything enjoyable or Hulk-worthy enough to bump it up to "average" or "fair"? Crazy...

I don't think they get to use that as an excuse. The Superman TV show started in 1952 and they weren't afraid to have him fly. And they certainly didn't make him an above average circus strong-man. And they didn't change his name to Charles Kent. Heck...they didn't even mess with the obvious nonsense of having a pair of glasses as Superman's only disguise. The source material is successful for a reason.

1977-78 was when Star Wars and the first Superman movie were coming out, so there is no reason to expect audiences to not believe a real Hulk at that time. Hollywood has a long history of being clueless. Kevin Smith unveils just how clueless on An Evening with Kevin Smith. I recommend that one.

This is typically the point where I can see that one's knowledge base exceeds my own and I plead the Fifth. But for what it's worth, "Hollywood has a long history of being clueless" sounds about right.

Excellent question!

I think so. He's not the classic spandex type. But he's got a good moral center.

I really don't know, but I'll bet there are some really good arguments out there as to why he's not a superhero. Without taking a hard stance, I'll just say that "a good moral center" itself is debatable on the basis that the Hulk simply wants to be alone. This has always been true of the Hulk and is perhaps the one persevering fact about him that has managed to survive all of the "rape" he's endured by different writers. Thus, if he has any moral center (I tend to think he has none), it's a purely selfish one... which, in turn, would cast a shadow on your argument if you're using "good moral center" as a chief criterium for superhero status. (Of course, it's been debated here whether being selfish - something every human being is relegated to being, it seems - is not itself altogether a "bad" thing. I think it is myself, but alas, another topic...)

Aside from that, the Hulk reacts like an animal would for the most part - instinctively - does he not? If someone messes with him, he messes with them back, correct? He does not proactively choose to be the Hulk, as if to resort to the hero within (though I think we're going to see him do that in TIH, based on the synopsis). Instead, it's rage/anger that causes it, the something-uncontrollable within him to manifest itself - this, greatly differing from true superheroes who intentionally don their armor. And so there you have another mark in the "not a superhero" category, it seems, if Banner must desire to become the Hulk (when we know he doesn't).

The thing that clouds the picture for me is what to make of Ang Lee's Hulk. How do we reconcile the fact sort of Hulk that DID think about what he was doing? He was essentially the intelligent Banner draped in a monster's outfit, and there was almost no primal rage. Even the scene with the dogs is somewhat in doubt, since it was (1) mainly an act of self-defense on both his and Betty's behalf (2) Talbot who drove him to anger, (i.e., to Hulk-out in the first place). Thus, we can't say he proactively sought to become the Hulk in that instance (i.e., to be a hero).

Further clouding the picture, the Hulk was compassionate toward just about everything - Betty, his mother, the military, those driving on the Golden Gate Bridge, the flowers in the desert. Hell, I wouldn't hesitate to say the Hulk even longs to see his relationship restored unto his dad even as they are fighting. I mean, there was really very little to counterbalance the softer, kinder, gentler Hulk that Ang presented, was there not? When the Hulk is falling through the sky, he lunges at Banner through the mirror and calls him "Puny human"... but even that was done in the context of a dream state. It was almost as if Ang Lee was afraid to show the Hulk truly angry - and/or how to characterize his adversarial relationship with Banner - else did not know himself what these things would look like (and how to present them).

Regardless, the Hulk remains one of the most misunderstood characters out there, and if I had to attach one word to him, I would say it's confused. And supposing we were ever able to ask him ourselves, "Do you consider yourself a superhero?" I think he would grunt and then shrug off the question, wanting nothing more than to be left alone. He wouldn't want to answer it, and in such case, I think no answer, being more negative than positive in nature, leans in favor of, "No, not a superhero. I am my own."

Again...why make it hard on yourself when you don't have to? You can convey some emotion through a CGI face...but why tie your hands behind your back when you are dealing with a character that has always talked? Why make it less than it can be...on purpose?

Maybe less is more? Just food for thought. Assuming he has more lines in TIH, I'll be very interested to see how it's done.

Don't other characters in Hulk talk during those scenes? Why is only the Hulk ruled out? I've seen a lot of action scenes in many movies and I've not noticed all the characters suddenly becoming mute during them. Another one that only applies to the Hulk?

...the implication being that these other movies you've seen should be anecdotal for the Hulk? What's wrong with a mute Hulk, other than the fact you don't like it? This habit of pointing to what's PC doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I want to see a Bruce that not only fears the transformation but is also under constant stress from having to avoid authorities. I don't want to see him go green and be able to get away safely in the span of three minutes.

It was part of my problem also. Theoretically, a guy who can run like the Hulk does and jump like the Hulk does and regenerate like the Hulk does... all of this compounded on top of limitless strength... would never be caught or even challenged. Do I want to see Hulk-light? No. I just think the running and jumping can be accomplished differently, while still expressing the same thing.

other than that, i've seen CTHD and Sense and sensibility, but i've heard that the Ice storm is great but never got around to seeing it

Sense and Sensibility and Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon are both excellent IMO. I've also heard good things about The Ice Storm but haven't seen it.

Thanks. I'll check them out.

same here ... hope we get something before Xmas

thank you, it pisses me off when someone says Hulk looked like shrek

same here, awesome face

Glad to help out. And Cara is amazing IMO.

I was 16 when the TV show came out and it was a huge letdown for me. I was in the middle of my infatuation with the comic. The Hulk never even appeared on that show for my money.

I'm pretty sure I was in diapers when it came out. But that's fine... have it your way.

That clip was interesting. (And funny) I still have problems with it. God bless Lou, but the "bodybuilder flex" over and over also got on my nerves. The growl was good (good enough for the movie)...but unfortunately that's all he could do. A few words at Thor (who was trying very hard to have a conversation with Hulk) would have helped tremendously.

Nice that they allowed the Hulk to survive that leap from the tall building without limping off. I saw one episode where the Hulk limped for the whole show after a forklift ran into his leg. That may have been the moment that made me throw something at the TV and stop watching the show.

But man...they really raped Thor too. Wow... Now I know what "Thor-light" would look like. I wonder if they were considering a show for him at the time? Did anyone at that studio ever even pick up a comic book?

Nice analysis and yeah... lots of cheese. But see, I truly laugh at those things because, I suppose, they were sincere attempts by the producers to convey... well, a monster. And I'm glad you mentioned the leap off of the building because I had wanted to say that it at least somewhat achieves Hulk's jumping ability, doesn't it? But yeah, him limping would've been hysterical... a faux pas of sorts.

The Spider-Man show was similar to the Hulk show. Peter Parker (yay! they used his real name!) did plenty of talking and was onscreen 99% of the time. Spidey would show up for a few seconds, say nothing, and do pretty much nothing. Ouch. I think they had a bit of footage of him swinging toward a building that they used in every episode. It was a miserable time for me as a Spidey and Hulk fan.

Something tells me YouTube could have something on this.. (2 minutes later) Found it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne_trVj6SaY

Oh my gosh, I laughed as soon as it came on... thanks for looking it up. My favorite parts are 0:16 - 0:20 and 0:47 - 0:52. When he's scaling the building, I love how the camera has to zoom in from, like, three blocks away just to reveal who it is. In my mind's eye, I'm thinking there's some poor stunt man holding on for dear life... climbing at an ever-anemic rate at that... all for a cheap thrill. And then of course the freeze-frame actor intros and jump at the end... probably a different stunt man who didn't happen to break his leg. The 1970s soundbed is killer too.

 

[The Joker_1000]

I want to see all of the Hulk's abilities in action. Leaping, running fast, healing, & my favorite: SUPER-STRENGTH. If they do that, I'd be ultra happy. I want to see a lot of his healing & leaping abilities. I'd love to see a scene where the Hulk goes to Betty all battered & bruised after fighting the Abomination & she doesn't know he can heal & then he heals up.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

I want to see all of the Hulk's abilities in action. Leaping, running fast, healing, & my favorite: SUPER-STRENGTH. If they do that, I'd be ultra happy. I want to see a lot of his healing & leaping abilities. I'd love to see a scene where the Hulk goes to Betty all battered & bruised after fighting the Abomination & she doesn't know he can heal & then he heals up.

I have to believe that the feats of strength and abilities he displays in the comic will be carried in this movie. I have to think that a characters status of being a hero or superhero is determined by his actions. In the comics, he basically wants to be left alone. His "moral center" is intact as he would not attack if not attacked first. I have seen him interact with animals (deer), children, etc in the comics. He is not a superhero per se. He does not choose to be the Hulk as let's say Batman chooses to be Batman. Batman controls his persona as the Hulk can't control his. So no, the Hulk is not a superhero, but does perform heroic acts from time to time (saving the pilot from hitting the GS bridge in the first movie). Clearly he has a good "moral center". Getting back to his abilities, he needs to perform all things capable to him according to his anger level. That needs to be done. Something that makes you go "oh ****! Yeah!" make you cheer at the movies. Leaping, running, yeah it will be done. Show us something like ripping up a building or smashing abomb through one as he roars " Hulk is the strongest one there is". It's cliche'd, but who cares, we want to be entertained by the action just as we want to be involved in the story base. I want substance and smash!

 

[MYSTERY]

I want his takeoff to be sort of like the takeoff scene in Smallville. I loved that trailing effect so much!

 

[November Rain]

those are ripoffs of matrix takeoff swings...

 

[EmeraldBeast]

those are ripoffs of matrix takeoff swings...

He doesn't need to run and jump. He simply leapt in the comics and landed and leapt again. No need to complicate that ability. As far as running, he should be able to run really fasy as long as it doesn't look cartoony. The Superman lifting Lex's makeshift land into space is the kind of feat we need in the movie.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I want to see all of the Hulk's abilities in action. Leaping, running fast, healing, & my favorite: SUPER-STRENGTH. If they do that, I'd be ultra happy. I want to see a lot of his healing & leaping abilities. I'd love to see a scene where the Hulk goes to Betty all battered & bruised after fighting the Abomination & she doesn't know he can heal & then he heals up.

This is why the scars on the CC design scares me, Hulk shouldnt have those scares, period, he heals almost instantly, as the first movie managed to show, if they dont do that in this movie, it will be an immediate sore point for me

He doesn't need to run and jump. He simply leapt in the comics and landed and leapt again. No need to complicate that ability. As far as running, he should be able to run really fasy as long as it doesn't look cartoony. The Superman lifting Lex's makeshift land into space is the kind of feat we need in the movie.

That is a tough feat to beat, but something along those lines will be awesome.

 

[Cracker Jack]

This is why the scars on the CC design scares me, Hulk shouldnt have those scares, period, he heals almost instantly, as the first movie managed to show, if they dont do that in this movie, it will be an immediate sore point for me

The more and more I think about it I can't halp but say "YES" I agree with you. At first they looked like he was battle tested. But then I thought, "The Hulk does not scar. He heals almost instantly." This would be a step in the wrong direction to me. Although I know that in the movie he will scar.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

No. More like the "oh s***, it's all goin' down" feeling you get (or that I got, anyway) when his eyes turned white and the pants and shirt started ripping. More growling, more flexing of his muscles (figuratively, not like Lou Ferrigno), more a display of brute strength and overall scariness. More "you just picked the wrong fight" and less psychoanalysis. Yeah... THAT sort of mood.

I'm onboard!

But I see you've given the first movie a "hated it" billing anyway, so I'm not sure what, if anything, can or will impress you in TIH. Come on, you hated it? As in, couldn't find anything enjoyable or Hulk-worthy enough to bump it up to "average" or "fair"? Crazy...

Well I have to give thumbs up to some stuff.

• The Look...I loved it. It was exactly what I was hoping for.
• The strength...yes! Finally a Hulk that can take on an army!
• The leaping...yes! No more jogger Hulk! (Special mention for the scene when the Hulk leaps up through the ceiling and lands on the roof.)
• The action...sweet! No complaints about the desert scenes for the most part. (Would have liked a "Leave Hulk alone!" in there somewhere.)
• The effects....awesome. I can't say anything bad about the CGI.
• Bruce Banner's name wasn't David.

That's a lot of good stuff. Hard to believe it could turn out so bad with all that.

I like Bana as an actor, but frankly Edward Norton is the perfect Banner type. Never saw Banner as a beefcake in the comic. Norton owns Bana already. Nick Nolte is another one I like...but augh! I hated him in Hulk. His "I'm so mental and weird" thing was eye-rolling. He ruined every scene he was in. Jennifer Connally, love her. That she was kinda forgettable in Hulk and the best performance at the same time says it all.

I was an Ang Lee fan before Hulk. I appreciate what he tried to do there...but it didn't work. It happens to everyone...but don't screw up Hulk please. I'll forgive him someday.

My personal deal is that I'm a fan of the Hulk character. And like the Hulk himself, I hate Banner. Banner bores me. He irritates me. I don't find him interesting. The Hulk, setting aside his physical assets, is a fascinating guy. He's a good soul. He's a 5 year old kid who wouldn't hurt a flea. The fact that he cannot comprehend why everyone hunts and fears him makes me root for him. I hate it when Banner comes and banishes him to nonexistence. He deserves better than that punk Banner. The fact that the TV show could have been called "The Incredible Banner" doesn't put it on my good side. Hulk was marginally better.

What I "hate" most is that Hulk tarnished the Hulk's image. Every time TIH is brought up by me I hear, "They are doing another one? Why?" Gee thanks Ang. Now we can truly quote the big guy "Everyone hates Hulk!" Norton and friends have a huge hill to climb before they even get started. All because of Hulk.

Maybe less is more? Just food for thought. Assuming he has more lines in TIH, I'll be very interested to see how it's done.

Ditto.

...the implication being that these other movies you've seen should be anecdotal for the Hulk? What's wrong with a mute Hulk, other than the fact you don't like it? This habit of pointing to what's PC doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I suppose the same thing that would be wrong with a mute Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Daredevil, or Fantastic Four. You could do it...but why would you? It sure makes it a lot harder for the audience to connect to the main character. A talking character should talk.

Oh my gosh, I laughed as soon as it came on... thanks for looking it up. My favorite parts are 0:16 - 0:20 and 0:47 - 0:52. When he's scaling the building, I love how the camera has to zoom in from, like, three blocks away just to reveal who it is. In my mind's eye, I'm thinking there's some poor stunt man holding on for dear life... climbing at an ever-anemic rate at that... all for a cheap thrill. And then of course the freeze-frame actor intros and jump at the end... probably a different stunt man who didn't happen to break his leg. The 1970s soundbed is killer too.

It is funny now.t: And since we've gotten a Spider-Man to be proud of since then, there is no bitterness. (But boy was I mad about it back then. ) That didn't happen with the Hulk. He was saddled with the image brought on by a TV show of similar quality. It's haunted him ever since.

But now that there is another Hulk movie coming, I can't help but be excited.

 

[The Joker_1000]

This is why the scars on the CC design scares me, Hulk shouldnt have those scares, period, he heals almost instantly, as the first movie managed to show, if they dont do that in this movie, it will be an immediate sore point for me



That is a tough feat to beat, but something along those lines will be awesome.

I still don't mind the Hulk having scars but as I've said, the picture is just concept art & for all we know it's a picture of the Hulk before he heals.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

This is why the scars on the CC design scares me, Hulk shouldnt have those scares, period, he heals almost instantly, as the first movie managed to show, if they dont do that in this movie, it will be an immediate sore point for me



That is a tough feat to beat, but something along those lines will be awesome.

His durability, healing, endurance, and possibly speed, likewise increase in relation to his temper. The Hulk possesses the potential for astounding levels of superhuman strength, directly depending on his emotional state, particularly his anger, spawning the famous quote: "The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets." The Hulk has been shown capable of supporting, with the assistance of leverage, a falling 150 billion-ton mountain range, as well as holding together the continental plates of an entire planet to keep it from collapsing. The Hulk has also been shown shattering an asteroid twice the size of Earth with a single punch. There are examples of the Leader and Doc Samson, attempting, unsuccessfully, to measure the limits of The Hulk's strength using the advanced technology at their disposal. So that being said, Superman's strength or feat can indeed be matched by ol' green skin.

 

[HulkStomps!]

Personally, I don't think those ARE scars. Scars per say, are normally raised becoming what's called keloids. What I see on this Hulk picture look inverted, giving him more like a weathered apperance. He looks badass.
Of course Hulk will always heal. So, let's just chill.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

Well I have to give thumbs up to some stuff.

• The Look...I loved it. It was exactly what I was hoping for.
• The strength...yes! Finally a Hulk that can take on an army!
• The leaping...yes! No more jogger Hulk! (Special mention for the scene when the Hulk leaps up through the ceiling and lands on the roof.)
• The action...sweet! No complaints about the desert scenes for the most part. (Would have liked a "Leave Hulk alone!" in there somewhere.)
• The effects....awesome. I can't say anything bad about the CGI.
• Bruce Banner's name wasn't David.

That's a lot of good stuff. Hard to believe it could turn out so bad with all that.

...but think it deserves more credit.

I like Bana as an actor, but frankly Edward Norton is the perfect Banner type. Never saw Banner as a beefcake in the comic. Norton owns Bana already. Nick Nolte is another one I like...but augh! I hated him in Hulk. His "I'm so mental and weird" thing was eye-rolling. He ruined every scene he was in. Jennifer Connally, love her. That she was kinda forgettable in Hulk and the best performance at the same time says it all.

Rather bold of you. Love Norton and all, but he still has to prove it. Nolte, at times, I thought was more the victim of bad scriptwriting. Some of his lines were just so over-the-top that I'm not sure there was anything he could do about it. For that matter, I think all of the main actors really, truly saved the movie from what I thought at times was some very weak scriptwriting. Some of those lines were so transparent that, apart from professional actors giving them substance, I think the movie would've been even worse than you thought it was.

My personal deal is that I'm a fan of the Hulk character. And like the Hulk himself, I hate Banner. Banner bores me. He irritates me. I don't find him interesting. The Hulk, setting aside his physical assets, is a fascinating guy. He's a good soul. He's a 5 year old kid who wouldn't hurt a flea. The fact that he cannot comprehend why everyone hunts and fears him makes me root for him. I hate it when Banner comes and banishes him to nonexistence. He deserves better than that punk Banner. The fact that the TV show could have been called "The Incredible Banner" doesn't put it on my good side. Hulk was marginally better.

Interesting. Sounds like you would want, well, a Bannerless Hulk. I guess I've tended to see them as a team, though I know that's not accurate with the comics.

What I "hate" most is that Hulk tarnished the Hulk's image. Every time TIH is brought up by me I hear, "They are doing another one? Why?" Gee thanks Ang. Now we can truly quote the big guy "Everyone hates Hulk!" Norton and friends have a huge hill to climb before they even get started. All because of Hulk.

Yeah, it's the same reaction all of us are getting, it seems. And I've tended to see the same "huge hill" that you refer to. But I wonder about this strategy that Marvel seems to have taken to, being ever so strict with the release of details. Will the silent treatment pay off as they think it will? And will moviegoers be mentally able to accommodate a reboot after the franchise's mere five-year hiatus?

I suppose the same thing that would be wrong with a mute Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Daredevil, or Fantastic Four. You could do it...but why would you? It sure makes it a lot harder for the audience to connect to the main character. A talking character should talk.

No doubt. But like Sava, I just don't see the Hulk as really much of a talking character, even less when we're considering how his character translates to the big screen. I dunno. It's hard for me to picture the Hulk having more lines than he had in the first movie and still taking him as seriously as I did in that movie. And who's going to do the voiceover, James Earl Jones? Lawrence Fishburne?

It is funny now. And since we've gotten a Spider-Man to be proud of since then, there is no bitterness. (But boy was I mad about it back then. ) That didn't happen with the Hulk. He was saddled with the image brought on by a TV show of similar quality. It's haunted him ever since.

But now that there is another Hulk movie coming, I can't help but be excited.

I would've laughed even if we hadn't gotten a Spider-Man to be proud of. Love the cheese, I guess. In fact, I think I'll go watch it again. lol

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Yeah, it's the same reaction all of us are getting, it seems. And I've tended to see the same "huge hill" that you refer to. But I wonder about this strategy that Marvel seems to have taken to, being ever so strict with the release of details. Will the silent treatment pay off as they think it will? And will moviegoers be mentally able to accommodate a reboot after the franchise's mere five-year hiatus?

That's the big question, isn't it? This whole thing is a weird mix of nervousness and excitement for me. I'll take the movie no matter what in the end, but part of me wants others to see what a great character the Hulk is. Another failure would be crushing.

No doubt. But like Sava, I just don't see the Hulk as really much of a talking character, even less when we're considering how his character translates to the big screen. I dunno. It's hard for me to picture the Hulk having more lines than he had in the first movie and still taking him as seriously as I did in that movie. And who's going to do the voiceover, James Earl Jones? Lawrence Fishburne?

I'll do it!

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

That's the big question, isn't it? This whole thing is a weird mix of nervousness and excitement for me. I'll take the movie no matter what in the end, but part of me wants others to see what a great character the Hulk is. Another failure would be crushing.

Excitement... yeah, pretty much the same here, but rising and falling with each major announcement. My excitement probably peaked when the Leader actor was announced. I know almost nothing about the Leader, but for some reason, his addition confirmed to me that TIH is the real deal. Since then, I've been kind of bored.

Nervous? Not so much. Reason TIH is bound to fail our expectations one way or another. In 2003, I thought Hulk was going to be the biggest movie of the year, and we all saw how that turned out. But even around here, the opinions vary so greatly that it's depressing. Everyone is a director in his/her own mind, and uniformity of thought is compromised. And since what other fans like myself think shapes half of my opinion, I'm already wondering how the complaints will go around this time next year. In other words, there's really nothing to be worried about. The movie will either improve upon my expectations or fall flat, but those who are going to hate the movie have already made up their minds IMO and there's nothing we can do about them.

 

[The Joker_1000]

I'd be highly disappointed if Lous Letterrier didn't include the Hulk using his superspeed & leaping ability in the movie. They are two of his most prized abilities & should be used as much as possible in the movie.

 

[HboyBowen]

It might not be so much running because of there in NYC not the Nevada desert. Maybe wall climbing like a frog on crack and destruction ripping off interstate pillars and thowing them at police cars. He might even jump to the statue of liberty and use her head to take down a jet. cool.



EVEN COOLER WOULD BE A SUPERMAN VS. HULK MOVIE

Hulk is gonna lose but it will be one hell of a fight since he never stops getting stronger until he reaches superman levels and beyond and thats a Fight to see until superman thows him into outerspace and he suffocates.

 

[Scooter]

The more and more I think about it I can't halp but say "YES" I agree with you. At first they looked like he was battle tested. But then I thought, "The Hulk does not scar. He heals almost instantly." This would be a step in the wrong direction to me. Although I know that in the movie he will scar.

Is it ever explicitly stated that "not-scarring" is one of the Hulk's powers? I understand he heals very quickly, but I don't see how that alone would prohibit the formation of scar tissue, which is, after all, a normal byproduct of the healing process (for all but the tiniest, most insignificant wounds).

If anything, based on the major damage Hulk consistently takes from artillery and supervillains and whatnot, I would expect him to be covered in scars - the only difference being that they would show up much quicker for him than for a normal person.

Now, I don't have any personal preference in the matter, though, insofar as aesthetic concerns (really, the most important type of concerns in a matter this trivial) go, they'd probably be better served toning down the scarring, or even omitting it altogether, lest his entire body become an unruly mass of deformed skin. But really, it doesn't seem like a huge deal to me for some of the Hulk's gnarlier wounds (maybe the Abomination rips one of his ears off, or something) to be visually remembered with some scar tissue.

Though, in a corollary, would such scarring carry over to Banner's normal body, once the Hulk entity had subsided?