The Amazing Spider-Man 2 will sony learn from their mistakes?

If they are still going ahead with Sinister Six? They evidently have not learnt from their mistakes.

I don't think that's a sign at all, many would say it was a Very brave move to tell a villain movie when most the time studios are scared to make movies that don't have the big name characters
 
I think Sony will attempt to change or alter some of the plans and get new writers onboard
 
Will Sony learn from their mistakes?

Maybe.

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Fitting. We now have a Spider-Man movie that's equally bad, and is now in a similarly precarious situation going forward. Thing is, Spider-Man doesn't have Batman and Wonder Woman (and Luthor, and Cyborg, and whoever else) to bail him out next time around. From what we've seen so far, the S6 ain't enough.
 
Fitting. We now have a Spider-Man movie that's equally bad, and is now in a similarly precarious situation going forward. Thing is, Spider-Man doesn't have Batman and Wonder Woman (and Luthor, and Cyborg, and whoever else) to bail him out next time around. From what we've seen so far, the S6 ain't enough.

that's right. i just hope there are more good news like the directors cut of the amazing spiderman 2, firinhg roberto orci and alex kurtzman, hiring the days of future past and winter soldier writers, letting creators do what they want, etc.
 
They've dug themselves into quite a deep hole it seems. Whoever picks up the writing duties has got their work cut out for them.

That's the key though isn't it? The series isn't beyond saving imo and though there's a tough hill to climb, a good writer or group of writers can make it work.
 
Fitting. We now have a Spider-Man movie that's equally bad, and is now in a similarly precarious situation going forward. Thing is, Spider-Man doesn't have Batman and Wonder Woman (and Luthor, and Cyborg, and whoever else) to bail him out next time around. From what we've seen so far, the S6 ain't enough.

Even if Superman didn't have Batman, Wonder Woman, and Cyborg; he still has villains yet to be seen on the big screen. Brainiac, Metallo, Parasite, Darkseid, Livewire, billionaire Lex, Doomsday, Bizarro, and others.

The only villains that have been for Superman is Lex and Zod.

Most of the big Spidey villains have been done.
 
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That's the key though isn't it? The series isn't beyond saving imo and though there's a tough hill to climb, a good writer or group of writers can make it work.

Unquestionably, and I've been echoing the same sentiment since the movie dropped, even for as much as I dislike it. If the Fast & Furious franchise needed 5 movies to get it right, then anything is possible. Problem is, I had no real investment in that franchise; I was typically dragged to theater by friends and colleagues. It was entirely by happenstance that I ever saw Fast Five in the first place.

Still, my point is it can be done, but the other side to that coin is that they'll have to bring something very appealing and impressive to attract fans like myself again. I won't continuously throw money at a machine that doesn't deliver the goods.

Even if Superman didn't have Batman, Wonder Woman, and Cyborg; he still has villains yet to be seen on the big screen. Brainiac, Metallo, Parasite, Darkseid, Livewire, billionaire Lex, Doomsday, Bizarro, and others.

The only villains that have been for Superman is Lex and Zod.

Most of the big Spidey villains have been done.

Eh, I don't think so. There's plenty left that they could use, too many to even name, really. Kingpin, Silvermane, Tombstone, Vulture, Chameleon, Mr. Negative, Mysterio, Kraven, Hydro Man, Scorpion, Morbius, Hammerhead, Morlun, Smythe; the list goes on and on.

The Jackal is now a missed opportunity since the one person that made him relevant is now dead before his introduction, but if yet another reboot was in the cards, I'd throw his name into the mix as well. Minus a hair-brained clone plot, of course.

But no, I don't agree with that at all; I just can't.
 
Spider-Man's three biggest foes are Goblin, Doc Ock, and Venom and they've been done.

Let's be honest, I could name a lot more Superman rogues but some I don't think will ever be in a film, meanwhile your naming Tombstone and Hydroman who will never be in a film.

Let's reverse this.

The only Superman villains in films are Lex and Zod.

Villains in Spider-Man films: Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Sandman, Venom, Lizard, Rhino, and Electro.

Point is there are more Superman rogues you could do without using anyone again than you can with Spider-Man who will have to have another Doc Ock and Venom.
 
Eh, I don't think so. There's plenty left that they could use, too many to even name, really. Kingpin, Silvermane, Tombstone, Vulture, Chameleon, Mr. Negative, Mysterio, Kraven, Hydro Man, Scorpion, Morbius, Hammerhead, Morlun, Smythe; the list goes on and on.

The problem is two fold.First,in all honestly,beyond Vulture,Mysterio, Kraven & Scorpion,there really isn't many old school villains with name recognition/could carry a film to the GA.And second,as we learned with Electro (and to a lesser extent,Sandman) taking a villain that was basically a "bank robber" and trying to burden such a character with the gravitas to carry an entire movie,is not always a trustworthy venture.

As it stands now, Vulture will be seen as a rip off of Falcon,Scorpion really needs JJJ (who is still MIA in this series)to have the proper introduction,Mysterio & Kraven would be safer bets storywise,but I have doubts of them using a guy with a fishbowl head and a lionskin vest,respectively in a movie.I don't know where they would go next.
 
Unquestionably, and I've been echoing the same sentiment since the movie dropped, even for as much as I dislike it. If the Fast & Furious franchise needed 5 movies to get it right, then anything is possible. Problem is, I had no real investment in that franchise; I was typically dragged to theater by friends and colleagues. It was entirely by happenstance that I ever saw Fast Five in the first place.

Still, my point is it can be done, but the other side to that coin is that they'll have to bring something very appealing and impressive to attract fans like myself again. I won't continuously throw money at a machine that doesn't deliver the goods.

And coming from someone that actually enjoyed ASM2, I'm not blind to the criticisms of this film, the harsh reviews from critics and the dwindling box office. The series needs something fresh and inviting to get people interested again...and like I was stating in another thread, there's a plethora of great stories they can pull from to bring something to the screen. A great set of writers that understand how to make this happen and gel everything together in a proper and exciting way and we should get a solid flick. The cast is already good enough imo and Webb is a capable enough director.

I go back to how Weisman approached making TSSM. He based his stories around what he called the 5 C's. Coherent, cohesive, contemporary, classic and iConic (not an actual C-word, but it has a hard C as Weisman described). He seemed to do it all so effortlessly and even when he made changes to the source material it never came off as contrived because he stuck so well to his method. The ASM franchise needs a healthy dose of that type of writing and attitude.
 
And coming from someone that actually enjoyed ASM2, I'm not blind to the criticisms of this film, the harsh reviews from critics and the dwindling box office. The series needs something fresh and inviting to get people interested again...and like I was stating in another thread, there's a plethora of great stories they can pull from to bring something to the screen. A great set of writers that understand how to make this happen and gel everything together in a proper and exciting way and we should get a solid flick. The cast is already good enough imo and Webb is a capable enough director.

I go back to how Weisman approached making TSSM. He based his stories around what he called the 5 C's. Coherent, cohesive, contemporary, classic and iConic (not an actual C-word, but it has a hard C as Weisman described). He seemed to do it all so effortlessly and even when he made changes to the source material it never came off as contrived because he stuck so well to his method. The ASM franchise needs a healthy dose of that type of writing and attitude.

that's right. they really need to learn from someone like weisman. speaking of weisman, if there was any luck that marvel decides to cancel the marvel animated universe and fire jeph loeb hopefully they'll rehire Greg Weisman and put him as head of animation creating the beautiful marvel animated universe that is tied to the spectacular spiderman. hopefully he'll start with x-men because i love to see how his version of mutant segregation will be like. infact, i wonder if his version is even worse than the 90s version. i mean have you seen how many people hated mutants with a passion? seriously, as i mentioned it it reminds me of how marc webb, andrew garfield, and the entire cast got so much hatred before the release of the first film
 
They need to fire Avi Arad before they can learn anything. That would be step 1 for Sony
 
Fitting. We now have a Spider-Man movie that's equally bad, and is now in a similarly precarious situation going forward. Thing is, Spider-Man doesn't have Batman and Wonder Woman (and Luthor, and Cyborg, and whoever else) to bail him out next time around. From what we've seen so far, the S6 ain't enough.

Why do ASM2 fans hate MoS?
 
I would hope so, but given that they didn't after SM3 and TASM1, I'm not going to get too optimistic about it.
 
well tasm 2 did underperform critically and financially and with either films as their last shot they really need to learn how to fix themselves
 
They'll probably just scratch the series and reboot it again :whatever:





And yes I'm joking
 
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They need to fire Avi Arad before they can learn anything. That would be step 1 for Sony

If there's a Step 1.5 or 2, it should be to fire Matt Tolmach.

Probably not gonna happen but can you imagine how these boards would react upon hearing that news. :wow:

I'd still be worried about who Sony would put in their place as the next set of producers.
 
If there's a Step 1.5 or 2, it should be to fire Matt Tolmach.

Probably not gonna happen but can you imagine how these boards would react upon hearing that news. :wow:

I'd still be worried about who Sony would put in their place as the next set of producers.

Make a list if you guys would like lol
 
so far i didn't favor despite tobey capturing peter's guilt, sense of responsibility, shy and awkwardness, growth, and a little bit of his sense of humor i really wasn't a fan of his character seeing how he's always stuck on shy and awkwardness. i get the idea was to make him more human and to sympathetize with him like the elavator scene but to me that really kills peter for me as it didn't bring enough dimension for the character as we've seen him in the comics and cartoons. look at andrew's eduardo from the soical network. he reminds me of peter parker with his humanity and sense of morals and responsibility even his intelligence and tragedies and his performance brought a whole lot of dimension. while people favor his spiderman alot of people didn't like his peter for stupid reasons like"being hip", "not nerdy enough", "being an *******", and "being emo" which i really don't agree. so far the only actors that captured peter parker and spiderman completely are CDB and Josh Keaton. i mean they're the only peter parker/spider-men we got
 
I don't think that's a sign at all, many would say it was a Very brave move to tell a villain movie when most the time studios are scared to make movies that don't have the big name characters

It's not brave. It's stupid and desperate.

They are not learning from their mistakes. Their mistake is not fully concentrating on the story of Spider-Man, but having these silly plot threads trying to build a bigger universe.

They need to scale back and re-focus their efforts onto Spidey and Spidey alone. **** the Sinister Six.
 
Maybe I wasn't clear, but I dislike them both, which tied into my point.

I see but I don't think WB is "bailing out" Superman. If anything, they planned on introducing Batman anyway but maybe ushered it in a little quicker than expected to cash in on the modest response that MoS did have.

There's no question that when looking at budgets and general response/interest, MoS objectively wasn't the movie WB hoped it would be. That said, it's nowhere near the general disappointment (notice I didn't say failure) that ASM2 has become.
 
It's not brave. It's stupid and desperate.

They are not learning from their mistakes. Their mistake is not fully concentrating on the story of Spider-Man, but having these silly plot threads trying to build a bigger universe.

They need to scale back and re-focus their efforts onto Spidey and Spidey alone. **** the Sinister Six.

with goddard and without sony interfering with his work the movie should at least be great but i just wonder how the story can even be told without the rest of the vilains introduced in the spiderman movies
 
I see but I don't think WB is "bailing out" Superman. If anything, they planned on introducing Batman anyway but maybe ushered it in a little quicker than expected to cash in on the modest response that MoS did have.

There's no question that when looking at budgets and general response/interest, MoS objectively wasn't the movie WB hoped it would be. That said, it's nowhere near the general disappointment (notice I didn't say failure) that ASM2 has become.

batman/superman will definitely fail critically but it'll definitely make more than the avengers
 
with goddard and without sony interfering with his work the movie should at least be great but i just wonder how the story can even be told without the rest of the vilains introduced in the spiderman movies

Yep. You've pointed out a nice issue that Sony needs to resolve. But they probably won't.
 

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