The Amazing Spider-Man 2 will the amazing spiderman 3 fail?

[Spider-knight]

I would normally agree, but the film will feature 6 characters with super powers, and may or may not connect with TASM later on. This won't be a cheap investment, so I am expecting them to be firm with it. I think Venom may be offered more creative freedom than this will.

it would not make any sense to not be able give a direcoptr like drew goddard creative freedom on a supervillain team-up film and give a mediocre writer and director some freedom on some alien symbiote. sony won't make enough box office numbers if that happens.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oh, I agree that TASM3 isn't built on a strong foundation. If people cared more about this Spidey series, the grosses wouldn't be so low.

But, I don't entirely agree that the Oscorp idea is really good. Honestly, I think it makes the whole idea feel unoriginal. What made the SS great in the comic is these were villains we had come to know teaming up for a common goal. By having Oscorp forge oddball abominations of science for the sole purpose of killing Spider-Man, you're just creating an army of glorified henchmen that the audience has no loyalty to or reason to care about them, sans maybe the 1 or 2 well developed members the team will have. Also, this idea seems very TV-ish in a bad way. Think of something like Smallville in the early seasons. Clark just fought the meteor freak of the week. The Spidey villains of this series sort of feel the same way, especially when they are all tied to the same evil empire.

I get you, but I think with a more elegant touch that doesn't see Oscorp focusing on Spider-Man, you could make it work really well. Especially if Oscorp wasn't responsible for every supervillain in the series.

Characters like Kraven, Mysterio, and Venom wouldn't need any connection to Oscorp.

I think they'd be better off splitting TASM3 into 2 films, and making them TASM3 and have those events culminate in Sinister Six. Not just give them a formal film having nothing to do with Spider-Man.

It is definitely better then the spinoff idea.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well here's a suggestion. What if Sony were to bring Raimi back into the fold?

I don't think Raimi has it in him at this point. He is past it, and really I don't think a Raimi Spidey film is what the world is looking for right now imo.

it would not make any sense to not be able give a direcoptr like drew goddard creative freedom on a supervillain team-up film and give a mediocre writer and director some freedom on some alien symbiote. sony won't make enough box office numbers if that happens.

You are looking for sense with Sony. I don't they they have demonstrated that they have a lot. The creation of a Sinister Six film in and of itself shows a lack of sense imo.

 

[jmc]

I don't think Raimi has it in him at this point. He is past it, and really I don't think a Raimi Spidey film is what the world is looking for right now imo.

Maybe not as a director but as a consultant of some description. The X-Men franchise started to pick up again once Singer started getting involved. Honestly, what's Sony got to lose at this point?

 

[spider-neil]

I'm probably alone here but a super villain movie where the specter of the hero is the protagonist/ticking clock is actually a neat idea and in the hands of a director who can think 'outside the box' we may be given something new and fresh.

In the advent of the Avengers a solo hero isn't going to cut it, even Cap had Fury and BW. Doing several villains back story/origin is going to bog the movie down (as we've seen) so give the villains their due in their own movie.

 

[LizardMan07]

The ticking clock is a cool idea, almost like a thriller?

 

[Spider-knight]

I don't think Raimi has it in him at this point. He is past it, and really I don't think a Raimi Spidey film is what the world is looking for right now imo.


You are looking for sense with Sony. I don't they they have demonstrated that they have a lot. The creation of a Sinister Six film in and of itself shows a lack of sense imo.

that's what i'm saying. it makes no sejnse to make a sinister six film this early. the only way they can get away with this is if they made some GOOD webisode series. a sinister six film would take too long to develop. and with each webisodes spiderman of course has to appear in them. i thinka 90s animated inspired mysterio would do nicely since he never made any high tech weapons to mess with spiderman since oscorp is behind it in this series and kraven would hunt spiderman and would most likely just monologue. as for doc ock, i don't know if oscorp created them or doc ock but some minisodes with doc ock would do nicely explaining his backstory and spiderman has to jump in and save him and stop him. of course it's hard to replace someone like alfred molina.

you know who would make a great kraven though? that drago guy from game of thrones.

but anyway, if they rushed the sinister six then chances are they are completely ****ed. so the best way they could do it is to postpone the damn thing or cancell it since andrew will be peter until 2020.

 

[spider-neil]

The ticking clock is a cool idea, almost like a thriller?

Ticking clock as in they can't take too long to do anything as Spidey will turn up to throw a monkey in the wrench.

 

[Morbius]

Define fail
It's surely going to break 500million whether it's bad or not. I'd say that's a success

 

[chaseter]

Depends on production costs.

 

[spider-neil]

Depends on production costs.

If Sony spends more than 150m on S6 they're idiots.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Depends on production costs.

Yes, but I have my doubts they'll come down.

 

[Spiderine]

Yes, but I have my doubts they'll come down.

LOL.....if they come down that much they must be doing something really really simple. Will audiences care to even see that if the stakes aren't gonna be any higher than the last?

 

[TH29]

As a fan of this new series, this is my problem with it. This movie started out great I thought. Loved the first 25 minutes and thought it was some of the best Spidey stuff ever put to film. However while I still find the film good, the problem is this...they rushed everything and jammed too much into this movie. This was this films biggest pitfall just like Spider-Man 3. When you rush too much into one movie, you tend to paint yourself into a corner.

This film should have ended with the electro fight, Gwen should have lived and the final scene of the movie should have been Harrys Goblin transformation into something more goblin like, leaving it a cliffhanger. Then the Goblin stuff/Gwens Death, Peter and Harrys relationship and building up the Sinister Six should have taken place in the third movie organically. That right there gives your film room to breath and you have a natural progression of the series leading to the all out spectacle of Amazing Spider-Man 4:The Sinister Six. That is such an easy to see thing for most fans, yet the would be brains behind the movie dont see it, its sad. and frankly kind of pathetic. I guarantee more people would have been more pleased with part 2 had it been handled this way.

Just as Venoms birth should have been the final scene of Spider-Man 3 leading into Spider-Man 4 being a pure Venom vs Spider-Man film instead of taking away the natural progession of the film and series.

 

[spider-neil]

Just as Venoms birth should have been the final scene of Spider-Man 3 leading into Spider-Man 4 being a pure Venom vs Spider-Man film instead of taking away the natural progession of the film and series.

Venom/Symbiote shouldn't have been in the movie, full stop.

Venom fits Webbs universe far better than Raimi's. Arad is idiot for truly screwing things up by insisting Raimi use him despite the script being all but finished with GG2, Sandman and Vulture. Then again, Sam was an idiot for more villains when the climax of the trilogy should have been all about GG2 you only have to look at how Harry loses his memory for the entire 2nd act to know they were spinning too many plates.

 

[OriginalMiles]

Shouldn't this be in the "The Amazing Spider-Man Sequels" section?

 

[Mysteryman]

ASM3 is like any other movie.
It depends on the story and the marketing for that story .

 

[iham32]

ASM3 is like any other movie.
It depends on the story and the marketing for that story .

True. Though the last 3 Spiderman movies were bad/mediocre and majority of audiences will remember. But if marketing is tops movie can succeed.

Garfield should only be Spiderman and bring in someone else for Parker imo. Worst Peter Parker ever.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

have you seen the deleted scenes and pre visualizations. webb isn't even a bad director nor bad with spiderman. it's sony's fault for tampering with the film. infact, i believ peter i much better in the director's cut of this film.

but yeah, sony dug themselves in a hole for not introducing the rest of the sinister 6 in spiderman films before their spinoff. unless they create some webisodes i think they're safe but if they tampered with them then sony will lose it's credibility. sony needs to give creators some freedom. i mean why you think the MCU did it better in the first place?

Well, it's Webb who pushed for the Lizard design and the moment Jamie Foxx walked on the set with his self made Max Dillon getup Marc was like, and I quote, "THAT'S Max Dillon!".

getting back to the Lizard design, Webb demanded that the jaw and mouth had to be in such a way, that if this creature existed in the real world he could talk, hence Lizard having puffy rounded looking lips and really small dull edged teeth. It's not like they had to make it realistically working, even if the face was a little longer (not quite a full snout but not flat either) with just a tad bigger & sharper teeth, they still could've very easily animated it to look convincing without having to neuter the design. and I get trying to be realistic and all that, but what's the point of giving Lizard a lab coat for an 0.5 min omage and not full time? if the coat fits in Lizard form it's not like it would be an unbelivable stretch for having the coat to stick along through out the events too

Webb said that he thinks the key to make the Lizard work is to bring out the humanity in him, but they should've added that extra humanity in Connors and outside of talking, make the Lizard more feral. and even then, the Lizard's dialogue should emphasize that while communicates similarly to a human, he should say stuff in the way an evil talking reptilian beast would think. He didn't want to help the human race in the comics, he just wanted to get rid of them. and that should've been his motivation into changing everyone to Lizards, not "a world without weakness", but more so taking down all human civilication as we know it

 

[Spider-knight]

Well, it's Webb who pushed for the Lizard design and the moment Jamie Foxx walked on the set with his self made Max Dillon getup Marc was like, and I quote, "THAT'S Max Dillon!".

getting back to the Lizard design, Webb demanded that the jaw and mouth had to be in such a way, that if this creature existed in the real world he could talk, hence Lizard having puffy rounded looking lips and really small dull edged teeth. It's not like they had to make it realistically working, even if the face was a little longer (not quite a full snout but not flat either) with just a tad bigger & sharper teeth, they still could've very easily animated it to look convincing without having to neuter the design. and I get trying to be realistic and all that, but what's the point of giving Lizard a lab coat for an 0.5 min omage and not full time? if the coat fits in Lizard form it's not like it would be an unbelivable stretch for having the coat to stick along through out the events too

Webb said that he thinks the key to make the Lizard work is to bring out the humanity in him, but they should've added that extra humanity in Connors and outside of talking, make the Lizard more feral. and even then, the Lizard's dialogue should emphasize that while communicates similarly to a human, he should say stuff in the way an evil talking reptilian beast would think. He didn't want to help the human race in the comics, he just wanted to get rid of them. and that should've been his motivation into changing everyone to Lizards, not "a world without weakness", but more so taking down all human civilication as we know it

makes sense. though he did bring humanity into connors and i do agree that if the lizard had his comic motivation it would've made the movie alot better and bring some tension into it. but i could say that since the tone of the movie is more grounded and before the release people were complaining about it being dark that i guess it would make sense for webb to bring a new motivation for the lizard to make it a little less uncomfortable for the audiance in a movie like this. but spidey has been through worse so they could suck it up. i mean even if they haven't read the comics the 90s series was actually alot more serious and spectacular was almost going for a lot more serious route if it would continue and also we did watch the justice league animated series, young justice, the x-men franchise, green lantern, etc. so they can suck it up. but regardless of these marc webb was gonna do a great job with these movies if sony and avi arad hadn't bugged him. like i said if they screw over goddard's sinister six movie then there is no doubt that sony is screwed.

now for max dillon. yeah, webb could've made him look more natural instead of cartoony but i do remember him having some more background like people stealing his ideas and i believe originally he had a motivation for worshipping spiderman other than him remembering his name and some stupid nonsense like his birthday fiasco. max would've been a pretty good character.

hopefully we'll get a director's cut.