Civil War Will Sony's Spider-Man be involved?

[Ghostcrow13]

I've not seen TASM 2 how long is it set after TASM and could you not have it so that TASM and TASM2 are set after AoU and before Cap 3, so him not being in the MCU before Cap 3 could make sense

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

TASM2 has Electro destroy Time Square.

It's possible but it's like having Green Lantern canon to Man of Steel. It can happen but its best it doesn't.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Completely disagree. Everything about SHIELD, not just the tv show, but as a concept, has pretty much implied that there is more comic booky things going on in the world then what they have decided to show us.

Ok let's look at it this way. Daredevil is just starting off and yet you're telling me could Spidey exist. I don't want to see a Spidey who's been operating longer then Matt.

 

[Doc Ock]

It would be cool to have Spider-Man involved, but I really don't think this movie will be about secret identities as some are assuming. But that Civil War image with Cap and Tony playing tug-o-war with Spidey sure is saying something to me.

 

[SlamAdams]

Ok let's look at it this way. Daredevil is just starting off and yet you're telling me could Spidey exist. I don't want to see a Spidey who's been operating longer then Matt.

I have no idea why that matters. Or why that doesn't make sense. DD got his powers when he was young and didn't start superheroing until he was an adult. Spidey got his powers when he was young and started immediately. He easily could have been active before DD.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I've not seen TASM 2 how long is it set after TASM and could you not have it so that TASM and TASM2 are set after AoU and before Cap 3, so him not being in the MCU before Cap 3 could make sense

ASM2 picks up place a few months after ASM, and plays out over course of a year and a half.

That said, they could have the ASMverse retconned to play out over one year, and between AOU and Cap 3. OR, retcon it and have it take place prior to the MCU, and have an older Spider-Man debut in Cap 3.

The latter is probably the best option.

 

[Shikamaru]

ASM2 picks up place a few months after ASM, and plays out over course of a year and a half.

Technically it plays out over the course of about 6 or 7 months, since everything up till Gwen's death happens in the summer post-graduation and then you get about a 5 month timeskip.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Well if they wanted ASM in the MCU no reboot, then condensing the timeline and fitting it just before the film Spiderman shows up in would make sense. I think even if they want Garfields Spiderman for Civil War/MCU then it wouldn't be Cap 3 anyway but another film in the arc.

But I think rebooting is the likely option with an new but established Spiderman who maybe has only fought minor criminals prior to the film he appears

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I don't mean to rain on anyones parade but I can assure you all that Sonys Spiderman is staying at Sony exclusively for the forseeable future. That is still their biggest cash cow and it would be incredibly complicated to work out any "sharing" deal with Marvel/ Disney. We are not.going to be seeing Spidey in any MCU movies for a long long long time.

It would be cool to have Spider-Man involved, but I really don't think this movie will be about secret identities as some are assuming. But that Civil War image with Cap and Tony playing tug-o-war with Spidey sure is saying something to me.

Indeed.

Obvious bait from Marvel is obvious

 

[Spidey_62]

Ok let's look at it this way. Daredevil is just starting off and yet you're telling me could Spidey exist. I don't want to see a Spidey who's been operating longer then Matt.

Spider-Man was on the scene before Daredevil in the comics. Heck, Spidey was on the scene before almost everybody. The Fantastic Four were around, Ant Man was around, the Hulk was a rumor.

 

[smashmode]

Yes, either at the very end cameo, or a post credits cameo of some sort, to really get things kicked off for Avengers: Civil War or something.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Spider-Man was on the scene before Daredevil in the comics. Heck, Spidey was on the scene before almost everybody. The Fantastic Four were around, Ant Man was around, the Hulk was a rumor.

Hmm. I always thought Daredevil came before. It just seems whether DC or Marvel, all the major heroes came around and appeared at the same time except Cap because he was frozen.

 

[GarysMyOldman]

Spiderman is definitely showing up in Cap 3: Civil War, it should be a self contained story. Marvel has the balls to make it 2.5 hours and do the main storyline. My choice for Spidey being recast would be Dylan O'Brien.

Iron Man & Cap keep seeing Spiderman taking on these villains and saving NYC which they have near and dear to their heart after the Avengers and they both fight for this crowd favorite to be on their side of the SRA. Stark woo's Spiderman with his technical side financing the new hero with fancy suits, while Rogers captures Parkers humanity and beliefs. Each side tries to one up each other with Stark finally convincing Parker to unveil himself on the news under false pretenses ending with Spidey fighting along side Cap, Falcon, War Machine, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Quicksilver, and Scarlet Witch against Starks Iron Man and a bunch of heroes I can't account for at this point. Throw the Punisher in there somewhere, the Vision, and some Spidey villains and it's going to mash Batman v Superman.

 

[Moridin]

I don't think Spider-man is needed for Cap 3 - nor is the secret identity angle needed. Registration with the gov't and being made to operate under gov't control is a big enough issue on it's own.

Though Spider-man was the bone Tony and Steve were fighting over, he wasn't the centerpiece - they were. In the MCU unlike the comics Spider-man hasn't earned any audience affection or sympathy and I'm not sure Feige would want to tie it's storytelling into Sony's films to shore that up.

Exactly this. There's no build up for Spidey in the MCU for him to be all that relevant for Steve & Tony. Bucky is the more likely candidate for that role.

Hulk had multiple recast and two different origins and Marvel made it work beautifully for Avengers. Spider-Man in all likilhood would get a very similar treatment. They'd probably recast but get an actor that has a very "likable/lovable" quality with vague references to both the Raimi and Webb series which will definitely pull away at the audience in a good way.

Marvel can easily make this work. Spider-Man like the Hulk is a figure that is so drilled into the public's mind that creating an emotional gripping sub plot wouldn't be very hard to do.

The problem here is that this is supposed to be a Captain America movie, not an Avengers movie. People are losing sight of this.
Also, people keep wailing that RDJ is going to take over the film, what is tossing in an entire Spider-Man subplot going to do?


I don't see this rumour turning out true at all.

 

[craigdbfan]

Spider-Man being in CA3 sure, but Marvel working on getting him back and working him into the MCU later down the road however, that's something I see happening.

People who think Sony is lucratively making money off of Spider-Man need to factor everything in. They don't make a penny off the merchandise anymore and the animated/tv rights belong to Disney. All they really own is the film rights. No merchandise and t.v rights make for a very limiting franchise to own. Disney is doing everything in their power to strip them away of the character.

 

[Zarex]

Spider-Man being in CA3 sure, but Marvel working on getting him back and working him into the MCU later down the road however, that's something I see happening.

People who think Sony is lucratively making money off of Spider-Man need to factor everything in. They don't make a penny off the merchandise anymore and the animated/tv rights belong to Disney. All they really own is the film rights. No merchandise and t.v rights make for a very limiting franchise to own. Disney is doing everything in their power to strip them away of the character.

Disney definitely took advantage of Sony's financial weakness in order to gain a majority stake in their most popular character. Before Disney came along Sony had a 95% stake in film returns, 25% of all licensing through the Spider-Man L.P. and control over animation and video games. Thats all changed, and the Mouse is clearly not satisfied.

 

[Chris B]

I'm just repeating what I said in the MCU thread over in the Marvel forums, but I think they should just treat TASM1 & 2 as a vague history for a MCU iteration of Spider-Man, in the event Marvel comes to an agreement with Sony.

Just use those films in a broad way to form a backstory: Peter Parker became Spider-Man, still encountered the Lizard, Electro, Rhino, and the Green Goblin (say it was Norman instead of Harry), and dated Gwen Stacey who is now dead. Also say this all took place over the course of Phase 2. They can pick up with the character now in college.

That said, I don't think CA3 should be the place to bring the character into the MCU.

 

[Spidey_62]

Hmm. I always thought Daredevil came before. It just seems whether DC or Marvel, all the major heroes came around and appeared at the same time except Cap because he was frozen.

Nope, this year's actually DD's 50th anniversary- he didn't debut until 64. I think it's cool how it was sort of a gradual thing, all these guys starting to show up- the MCU movies did this pretty well slowly peeling back this stuff as the characters would debut.

 

[Six]

I absolutely do not want sony's spider man in the MCU. Reboot it, one day. Spidermans role can be taken over by another character.

 

[Herolee10]

I'm just repeating what I said in the MCU thread over in the Marvel forums, but I think they should just treat TASM1 & 2 as a vague history for a MCU iteration of Spider-Man, in the event Marvel comes to an agreement with Sony.

Just use those films in a broad way to form a backstory: Peter Parker became Spider-Man, still encountered the Lizard, Electro, Rhino, and the Green Goblin (say it was Norman instead of Harry), and dated Gwen Stacey who is now dead. Also say this all took place over the course of Phase 2. They can pick up with the character now in college.

That said, I don't think CA3 should be the place to bring the character into the MCU.

So in other words, do what singer did in sr when it comes to using past films as a vague continuity to fall back on?

 

[Mike Murdock]

Damn I said best? I meant biggest comic events. There isn't a single other recent comic event from really Marvel or DC that was bigger then Civil War.

I also think it was Marvel's most successful crossover event. Certainly, it has flaws, but it resonated with people at the time more than any other has.

Okay, so this news is awesome.

I'm a fan of the "combine the two universes" theory. It will have a Spider-Man that audiences are currently familiar with and know the history of + Spidey in the MCU.

best of both worlds.

And if he unmasks? Would Sony be happy with a Spider-Man out in the open going forward in their movies? I have no problem with drawing Garfield's Spider-Man in. I think it'll build fan recognition (he can be "established" without needing to establish him). I just think the problem going forward is the same problem Marvel had in the comics. They want to maintain a "classic" status quo with Spider-Man and unmasking doesn't fit that. Although if Avengers 3 is 2019 and ASM3 is 2018, it's more possible. I just don't think that's quite enough time.

 

[Aztec]

To me this is a no brainer. It's win-win-win for all three sides: Marvel-Sony-Fans. Does it have to be Cap 3? Perhaps not but certainly by Avengers 3. Bring Spidey home and up the juice on an already epic and massive mega-franchise.

 

[Mr.M]

Earliest I would expect to see Garfield's Spiderman in an MCU film is an after credit scene here with a larger role in a more direct CW adaptation for A3. But there are too many issues with this given the continuity/shoehorning, and most importantly, the studios and finances involved.

But forgetting all that, even though I personally think it is a nonstarter because of the finances, let's play hypothetical since we are fanboys. Here is how you get around it and tell an epic story involving Spiderman.

1) Get a Spidey cameo in here. Can't do it without Garfield. The only other guy is Tobey, but Sony would never let Marvel brand him as Spiderman, so it HAS to be Garfield if it happens in PIII. Only other alternative is they bid out the rights to Spidey outright. If not, then proceed to:

2) ASM3 moves into a focal part of PIII. Sony would need to be completely flexibile, but Feige would produce. In this event, Arad would have to step aside, be fired, or work along with the massive ego that is Feige. You have to incorporate major threads that spring the street level MCU for television purposes, while capturing the cinematic feel of an MCU movie.

3) Spidey is an Avenger in part 3.

Other than that sequence of events, the only other way to get Spidey back is to take him out of the hands of Sony outright. Not gonna happen within or shortly after P3, but let's say it happened today... I think Marvel would recast Spidey and use some loose continuity of Webb/Raimi's series while introducing him in Cap 3 as a cameo, with the sequence highlighted above to follow.

 

[Katsuro]

So in other words, do what singer did in sr when it comes to using past films as a vague continuity to fall back on?

That honestly seems like the best option. People don't need to be introduced to Spider-Man. They all know the basics. Sure, they won't know all the specifics, but they probably won't even care. They could do it in a way where there's nothing that contradicts the ASM movies, but also nothing that makes you feel you need to have seen them.

Also, don't introduce him in CA3, unless it's a very small setup. Let's meet him for real in Avengers 3. If the rumors about most of the team leaving are true, Spider-Man would do great to take their place. It would place him right beside Tony Stark. I have a feeling CA3 is just the setup to Civil War, and the real action will take place in Avengers 3.

 

[bapi]

Spider-Man being in CA3 sure, but Marvel working on getting him back and working him into the MCU later down the road however, that's something I see happening.

People who think Sony is lucratively making money off of Spider-Man need to factor everything in. They don't make a penny off the merchandise anymore and the animated/tv rights belong to Disney. All they really own is the film rights. No merchandise and t.v rights make for a very limiting franchise to own. Disney is doing everything in their power to strip them away of the character.

Yeah. Maybe people should beck this Deadline article.

If they're right then MoS profit was just 42m... And ASM2 made 90m less in North America + Sony spent 40m more on marketing. Usually movies have to make 1.75-2x production+marketing budget in cinemas to make profit so "The studio was really looking for it to make at least as much as the first one, which made $757.9M in 2012 all in." makes sense. Very, very likely Sony actually LOST money on ASM2.