Will Spidey 3 be the Batman&Robin of the series?

[CoolAsICE]

No Spiderman movie will ever approach the level of crap of Batman and Robin.

And to anyone dissecting that movie....please stop. A film that stupid and pathetic doesn't warrant analysis of any kind.

 

[CoolAsICE]

damn double posts....

 

[eXperiment]

NO!!!! B&R didn't use the characters right, plus the script smelled like a** (stunk) poison ivy and mr. freeze are total opposites, plus there were the bat nipples and all that stuff that didn't belong in the movie, the characters needed better casting (arnold as mr. freeze :] ) it was a total waste of money and time. I hope that got my point across.

 

[ISHMAEL]

close this thread... we won't get that crap in this franchise until SM4 at least...

or when a differnt director comes and ****s it up

 

[Shoemeister]

YEAH!
SPIDER-NIPPLES!
CHRIS O'DONNELL FOR CARNAGE!
SCHUMACHER FOR SM4 DIRECTOR!
YEAH!
GOOD THREAD!

 

[webhead731]

Schumacher's Batman&Robin was quite overcrowded with characters, so there was no character development. Bad acting. Incoherence in general. Spidey 3 runs the risk of following the same path if Raimi loses his focus on the characters rather than the spectacle. Spectacle is great if it has substance.

Umm, do you know Raimi is a better director? He has made two great Spider-Man movies, and how many GREAT movies has Schumacher made?

 

[eXperiment]

YEAH!
SPIDER-NIPPLES!
CHRIS O'DONNELL FOR CARNAGE!
SCHUMACHER FOR SM4 DIRECTOR!
YEAH!
GOOD THREAD!

YAY!!!!!, LOL, NO!!!!!!

 

[Jspider13]

The point of this thread is rediculous. First of all, The Batman movies went stupid when they got a new director. Second, the characters were poorly used and it was an all around kiddy-movie fest.

We're not going to get that with Spider-Man 3. Sam knows how to deal with his stories and characters, there won't be any sudden change in tone of style. Just because there are many characters/villains, does not it will be bad.

We haven't read the script, so we can't judge how the movie will turn out.

 

[webhead731]

The point of this thread is rediculous. First of all, The Batman movies went stupid when they got a new director. Second, the characters were poorly used and it was an all around kiddy-movie fest.

We're not going to get that with Spider-Man 3. Sam knows how to deal with his stories and characters, there won't be any sudden change in tone of style. Just because there are many characters/villains, does not it will be bad.

We haven't read the script, so we can't judge how the movie will turn out.

Right on.

 

[CoolAsICE]

Umm, do you know Raimi is a better director? He has made two great Spider-Man movies, and how many GREAT movies has Schumacher made?

Actually, Schumacher is a pretty damn good director. Don't ask me what happened with the Batman movies. The only explanation I can come up with is that he didn't have complete control. That or he just wasn't meant to make a comic book movie.

Schumacher was behind the likes of Lost Boys, Flatliners, The Client, A Time To Kill, Tigerland and Phone Booth. Some very good films.

 

[webhead731]

I meant superhero movies. I'm sorry.

 

[eXperiment]

The point of this thread is rediculous. First of all, The Batman movies went stupid when they got a new director. Second, the characters were poorly used and it was an all around kiddy-movie fest.

We're not going to get that with Spider-Man 3. Sam knows how to deal with his stories and characters, there won't be any sudden change in tone of style. Just because there are many characters/villains, does not it will be bad.

We haven't read the script, so we can't judge how the movie will turn out.

I couldn't have said it any better.

 

[CoolAsICE]

Well, in that case it would be a definite "0." LOL.

But he's only had 2....thankfully.

 

[Visionary]

I wish I had 'A Time To Kill' Schumacher.

It seems that whenever there's an angry fanboy around, bringing up the Batman & Robin movie can't be too far behind. What's the matter now, your feeling are hurt, you're not getting what you want and you feel ignored by the director, writers and studio? Well good, this just means that your opinions to them doesn't matter, exactly the way it should be. Stay home and you don't have to worry about anything, but you know you won't.

 

[Smegger56]

IMO, Raimi hasn't done a great job with Spiderman. I'm not just saying that because it isn't faithful to the comics. I'm saying that in general.

I love Spiderman. He's one of my top 4 fictional characters of all time (Kirk, Ryoko, Solid Snake being the other 3 - with spidey just coming top). But, for me, the films don't do him justice.

Spiderman 1 was a good film. I thought it was the best film ever when i first saw it. But now, I can honestly say i can't see anything really special about it... other than the fact it's a spidey film.

Spidey 2 was an huge step back. Ock was used poorly. The two highlights of this film where JJJ and Doc Ock (whenever you seen him). The drama was poorly executed. I just felt nothing in there with Peter and MJ. This is a fault we can possibly put on Raimi.

I fear spidey 3 will follow the route of spidey 2. Take another step back. I hope i'm wrong, and i'm keeping an open mind about this. I hope that Spidey 3 will surpass all superhero movies, because that's what spidey deserves.

To date, IMO, DC comics have the two best superhero films out at the moment. Batman Begins and the original Superman: The Movie. Let's hope that spidey 3 will surpass these films.

 

[Hunter Rider]

No

 

[ComicKoryn]

No movie should ever be compared to Batman and Robin. It defied logic how horrible that movie was.

 

[CoolAsICE]

Spidey 2 was better than the first in many ways, but suffered from some of the same problems as the first (cheesy dialogue, predictable at times).

Both are solid movies, but neither came close to doing Spider-Man justice.

 

[Frodo]

I'll just say as I've stated before , that no francise is immune from having a bad entry . I doesn't matter how good the director is , if the script isn't passable the film won't work. The script is the key really .

Yes, acting and directoring are fundemental as well but the script is your foundation . If you're house is on a weak foundation you're gonna have problems . The same is true with films .

On the other hand , a weak script doesn't mean weak box office .B&R did make over 200 million . Just because a film isn't good doesn't mean it won't be a success. X3 has gotten mixed reviews much like Batman Forever and Superman 3 and all 3 were box office successes .

 

[Reikowolf]

noooooooooooo

 

[CrashNburn]

Schumacher's Batman&Robin was quite overcrowded with characters, so there was no character development. Bad acting. Incoherence in general. Spidey 3 runs the risk of following the same path if Raimi loses his focus on the characters rather than the spectacle. Spectacle is great if it has substance.

as long as we dont have nipples on the spiderman costume,we should be all set!

 

[LarryLegend]

I wish I had 'A Time To Kill' Schumacher.

It seems that whenever there's an angry fanboy around, bringing up the Batman & Robin movie can't be too far behind. What's the matter now, your feeling are hurt, you're not getting what you want and you feel ignored by the director, writers and studio? Well good, this just means that your opinions to them doesn't matter, exactly the way it should be. Stay home and you don't have to worry about anything, but you know you won't.

Those dayum fanboys just ruin the whole neighborhood don't they Oscar. Imagine they actually want to talk about Spider-Man 3 and compare it to the Batman series. What will they do next, discuss plotpoints?

 

[The Shape]

Having numerous characters was not the reason Batman & Robin failed. It failed because of poor direction, a terrible script, miscasting of characters, plot holes, and general ignorance by the studio. The number of chracters wasn't the problem as much as how they worked into the plot, which didn't make sense. Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy are chracters that can't co-exist because their ultimate goals cancel each other out, a world of permanent cold will kill all of the plants in the world. And also, Bane who was an intelligent strategist in the comic, was neutered into a mute, barely-functional bodyguard.

Based on the rumours and speclation we've heard, Spider-Man 3 does not have this same problem. The fourth villain (likely shocker) has no real influence in the story other than as a plot device to bring the Spider-Man day event into motion. He may be based on the Ultimate version of the character where he is simply a comic foil for Spidey (and it hopefully will give Bruce Campbell something to do!). It may not be faithful to 616, but it is faithful to the Ultimate comics, despite everyone's individual feelings on the brand.

Sandman and Green Goblin seem to be the main villain focuses of the movie, As long as they are handled tastefully, there shouldn't be a problem. I don't personally like the idea of Flint being Uncle Ben's real killer, but that has not been confirmed as fact yet. Otherwise, Church appears to be dead-on casting for Sandman.

Venom will not liekly be as big a part of this movie as some may have hoped, but from what we've heard, he does get some chracter development in the form of Brock, and the time he's in the movie, is in a big action sequence. That's more than we got with Angel or Colossus in X3!

It's too early to tell how SM-3 will handle these chracters, but condemning it now based solely on the number of villains is ludicrous. Batman and Robin could have succeeded with that number of villains, but the villains they chose and how they related to each other damned the film. I hate it when people call out "It's gonna be the next B & R" Whenever there is a large amount of characters in a film, its unfair, especially when we don't have much of the plot officially confirmed.

i agree completely. that's pretty much what i always say when someone compares this to batman and robin.

plus, the spider-man franchise now is in a completely different state than the batman franchise was at the time. while batman was a dying series with barely any juice left, spidey is still going stronger than ever.

 

[ultimatefan]

You people remember that X2 and Batman Begins had a lot of characters, don´t ya? B&R was what it was because they dumbed the franchise down to make it "kid-friendly" and because it was basically one long toy commercial. If anything, SM3 promises to be the darkest of the three and even with the extra villains it won´t be nearly as toy-filled as B&R

 

[Spider-X]

my head hurts