Infinity War Will there be no Adam Warlock? (spoilers)

and give that character his role in Infinity War;

My disagreements with your opinions in this thread (because that's all they are, opinions) notwithstanding, can you explain the basis for this statement?

How can you possibly know what role Vision is taking in IW? To my knowledge Adam was never part of the Avengers in IW. And thats about all the info we have on his status at the moment.

So please, enlighten me with more of your ethereal wisdom.
 
My disagreements with your opinions in this thread (because that's all they are, opinions) notwithstanding, can you explain the basis for this statement?

How can you possibly know what role Vision is taking in IW? To my knowledge Adam was never part of the Avengers in IW. And thats about all the info we have on his status at the moment.

So please, enlighten me with more of your ethereal wisdom.

Adam began an Avenger in this universe. Like a fake Mandarin or a Pym-less Ultron, this version of Adam is born the Vision. In time he'll evolve further into Warlock.

In a few years when Bettany appears with hair and orange skin and begins calling himself Adam, everyone that didn't see it now will either be pleasantly surprised or harshly disappointed. We'll see.
 
Adam began an Avenger in this universe. Like a fake Mandarin or a Pym-less Ultron, this version of Adam is born the Vision. In time he'll evolve further into Warlock.

In a few years when Bettany appears with hair and orange skin and begins calling himself Adam, everyone that didn't see it now will either be pleasantly surprised or harshly disappointed. We'll see.

This is 100% not going to happen. Sorry to disappoint you.
 
This is 100% not going to happen. Sorry to disappoint you.

Vision/Warlock wakes up. He sees his reflection and feels naked so he makes his body green. He sees Thor's cape, likes it, gives himself a cape.

You really think he wouldn't see hair he likes and replicate it? Or turn his skin into a more human-looking color?

And he's basically nameless at the end of AOU. He was Thor's vision. That's not a name. Given that he's the first human made in a lab by men you really think Adam wouldn't be fitting?

Those things would make for further evolution. Keeping him the same as AOU would be out of character at this point.
 
Tony Stark is probably closer that Vision could be a replacement for Warlock's role, nothing more, nothing less but I doubt it.

If anyone is going to replace Adam Warlock' it's going to be Cumberbatches Dr Strange.
 
Tony Stark is probably closer that Vision could be a replacement for Warlock's role, nothing more, nothing less but I doubt it.

If anyone is going to replace Adam Warlock' it's going to be Cumberbatches Dr Strange.

The characterization in AOU was very much Warlock's. That's why its more than just his "place" in IW.

I still don't get how people missed (or just choose to ignore) the vast amount of nods Whedon dropped to signal Adam.

There's a few posters here in SHH that caught it but I guess it comes down most people having little to no knowledge of who Adam is.

"I'm not a child of Ultron. I'm not Ultron. I'm not Jarvis. I am." was the line that did it for me. I know a few people who asked me what was up with his messiah jargon and when I brought up Adam they connected the dots.

Problem is many are resistant to this because they know Vision more and would prefer this to be 100% Vision. That's just because they don't know Adam. He's a much better character. Hey, at least they're keeping Vision's shtick with Wanda.
 
There's a few posters here in SHH that caught it but I guess it comes down most people having little to no knowledge of who Adam is.

Or the two or three people who keep screaming about Adam possibly looking into things that aren't actually there.
 
Problem is many are resistant to this because they know Vision more and would prefer this to be 100% Vision. That's just because they don't know Adam. He's a much better character. Hey, at least they're keeping Vision's shtick with Wanda.

Vision is the more popular character, period. And I like AW too, but Vision has always been the bigger character. Warlock's book never sold, so they had to finish his story in Hulk. Vision's origins go back to timely, and he was retconned when they brought him back, although they recently brought back golden age Vision.

Your stuff about changing Visions look too AW is pure conjecture, based on no real proof. You're not even the first person to bring up the AW comparisons, this was talked about months and months ago when it was speculated Vision would get the soul gem, although it turned out to be the mind gem.
 
There's a few posters here in SHH that caught it but I guess it comes down most people having little to no knowledge of who Adam is.

You keep saying this despite the fact that people are constantly saying "Hey I read the freaking comics" :o

This thread is tiresome
 
Vision is the more popular character, period. And I like AW too, but Vision has always been the bigger character. Warlock's book never sold, so they had to finish his story in Hulk. Vision's origins go back to timely, and he was retconned when they brought him back, although they recently brought back golden age Vision.

Your stuff about changing Visions look too AW is pure conjecture, based on no real proof. You're not even the first person to bring up the AW comparisons, this was talked about months and months ago when it was speculated Vision would get the soul gem, although it turned out to be the mind gem.

I agree that Vision is bigger and more popular, hence the studio's probable reason for using him as a springboard for Adam.

I don't understand why you dismiss the possibility of his look being altered further to match Adam given the way he went about changing his appearance in AOU as nothing more than a desire to resemble his brethren. You're either defensive about further butchering of Vision (which at this point is inevitable) or you just don't agree with Warlock's origin being in the form of Vision.

In the end it doesn't matter. The studio will continue to alter these characters to suit their needs as much as they want to and there's nothing we can do.

Tony made Ultron. Pym had absolutely nothing to do with him. The concept of Adam beginning as Vision is more of that pointless studio meddling we're incapable of preventing.
 
Who is Adam Warlock? I have no idea.

PS - Until recently, I had never heard of the Vision or Ultron. It's all good do me. I'm sorry to tell you, but the MCU is for fans like me who are not hardcore fans. I would probably be upset if I was a hardcore fan.
 
I agree that Vision is bigger and more popular, hence the studio's probable reason for using him as a springboard for Adam.

I don't understand why you dismiss the possibility of his look being altered further to match Adam given the way he went about changing his appearance in AOU as nothing more than a desire to resemble his brethren. You're either defensive about further butchering of Vision (which at this point is inevitable) or you just don't agree with Warlock's origin being in the form of Vision.

In the end it doesn't matter. The studio will continue to alter these characters to suit their needs as much as they want to and there's nothing we can do.

Tony made Ultron. Pym had absolutely nothing to do with him. The concept of Adam beginning as Vision is more of that pointless studio meddling we're incapable of preventing.

Complete strawman argument.
 
Who is Adam Warlock? I have no idea.

PS - Until recently, I had never heard of the Vision or Ultron. It's all good do me. I'm sorry to tell you, but the MCU is for fans like me who are not hardcore fans. I would probably be upset if I was a hardcore fan.

AW was a character created back in the late 60's that started out as a side story in Fantastic Four where this group creates an artificial person calle "him", who realizes he is created to destroy earth, and he turns on his creators and kills them. He later shows up in Thor, and finally in his own comic series, that was a Christ allegory, that he is sent to earth to save these werewolf type people. He had his own set of disciples, who call him Adam. The series sold poorly and was canceled so the story was finished up in the Hulk series, where Adam is crucified on an Ank by the werewolf people and he returns to his coccoon form, and is resurrected and ascends in to space/heaven.

The reason people bring him up here, is he was a central character in Infinity Gauntlet/Infinity Wars, in mounting a war against Thanos who had collected all of the gems. Adam had the soul stone implanted in his forehead.

In the comics Vision had a solar gem but it was not one of the infinity stones, so that change would seem to indicate they are using his role for Adam Warlock in the films.
 
AW was a character created back in the late 60's that started out as a side story in Fantastic Four where this group creates an artificial person calle "him", who realizes he is created to destroy earth, and he turns on his creators and kills them. He later shows up in Thor, and finally in his own comic series, that was a Christ allegory, that he is sent to earth to save these werewolf type people. He had his own set of disciples, who call him Adam. The series sold poorly and was canceled so the story was finished up in the Hulk series, where Adam is crucified on an Ank by the werewolf people and he returns to his coccoon form, and is resurrected and ascends in to space/heaven.

The reason people bring him up here, is he was a central character in Infinity Gauntlet/Infinity Wars, in mounting a war against Thanos who had collected all of the gems. Adam had the soul stone implanted in his forehead.

In the comics Vision had a solar gem but it was not one of the infinity stones, so that change would seem to indicate they are using his role for Adam Warlock in the films.

The indication isn't just the gem in his forehead, dude. Its pretty much everything shy of his look.

You seem to know enough about Adam to identify the red flags Whedon inserted in AOU but continually ignore them (out of support for the Vision?)

The chrysalis/butterfly references, his symbiotic relationship with the gem, the "cradle", "I am.", the lifting of Mjolnir...

I don't get why you're choosing to ignore all of that.
 
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It seems you won't be satisfied until every person on this site says, "that's not Vision it's Adam Warlock."

I HAVE SAID, that there is an amalgamation of sorts, but this is still Vision. The scene where he is trying to convince the Avenger's he's not a threat is right out of Avengers 58.

Yes there are things taken from Adam Warlock, this is not Adam Warlock, it's Vision, who has some traits taken from Adam Warlock and will play the role he did in Infinity Wars.
 
It seems you won't be satisfied until every person on this site says, "that's not Vision it's Adam Warlock."

I HAVE SAID, that there is an amalgamation of sorts, but this is still Vision. The scene where he is trying to convince the Avenger's he's not a threat is right out of Avengers 58.

Yes there are things taken from Adam Warlock, this is not Adam Warlock, it's Vision, who has some traits taken from Adam Warlock and will play the role he did in Infinity Wars.

Let's agree to disagree :yay:

To me, this is Adam Warlock introduced as Vision. That's what I got from watching AOU three times.

That's just my opinion, and its an opinion coming from someone very much against movie studios conveniently butchering characters for invalid reasons.

I would have much preferred Vision was 100% Vision and Warlock was 100% Warlock. I'm just working with what they're giving me and for me its 90% Warlock, 10% Vision.
 
Have to agree. That Stark is far more likely to take warlocks position in infinity wars.

But still think warlock will turn up.
 
Maybe they intend to introduce the Magus in GOTG2. And that could very well involve the time stone.
 
Can we get a thread title change? It's just speculation, not a fact.
 
Have to agree. That Stark is far more likely to take warlocks position in infinity wars.

But still think warlock will turn up.
I like Iron Man, but I hope not. I don't know the Infinity Gauntlet story too well, but from what I do know, I feel like it's much more of a mythical, space tale and I don't think Stark should have a huge role in such a story. Nor could I see him being in Warlock's role, who as I've heard is the opposite of Thanos (the avatar of life as opposed to Thanos the avatar of death). As much as I like Stark, he doesn't have that power, nor the symbolism (as an opposite of Thanos) in his character to be in a role like that.
 
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I like Iron Man, but I hope not. I don't know the Infinity Gauntlet story too well, but from what I do know, I feel like it's much more of a mythical, space tale and I don't think Stark should have a huge role in such a story. Nor could I see him being in Warlock's role, who as I've heard is the opposite of Thanos (the avatar of life as opposed to Thanos the avatar of death). As much as I like Stark, he doesn't have that power, nor the symbolism (as an opposite of Thanos) in his character to be in a role like that.

I agree. Stark as Adam Warlock? Seriously? Stark isn't a very good person, let's be honest. Vision is a much better alternative to Warlock.
 
I agree. Stark as Adam Warlock? Seriously? Stark isn't a very good person, let's be honest. Vision is a much better alternative to Warlock.
I think Stark's a good person (and he is the most prominent character so it's definitely not a crazy suggestion), I just don't think he'd be the right fit for the role based on personality and the like. I agree with you Vision would be much better, he is much "purer" than Stark. I still think there's a chance they could do Warlock in GOTG 2 though. That way they could potentially knock out Warlock's intro, Peter's dad (if they want to go that route), and the Soul Stone in one swoop.
 
I think Stark's a good person (and he is the most prominent character so it's definitely not a crazy suggestion), I just don't think he'd be the right fit for the role based on personality and the like. I agree with you Vision would be much better, he is much "purer" than Stark. I still think there's a chance they could do Warlock in GOTG 2 though. That way they could potentially knock out Warlock's intro, Peter's dad (if they want to go that route), and the Soul Stone in one swoop.
THIS would be perfection, is even be happy him being Starlords real dad. But gunn said he's doing something really risky. Either Howard the duck is Adam warlock role or Thanos is gonna be Starlords dad.
 

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