Infinity War Will there be no Adam Warlock? (spoilers)

[Picard Stewart]

THIS would be perfection, is even be happy him being Starlords real dad. But gunn said he's doing something really risky. Either Howard the duck is Adam warlock role or Thanos is gonna be Starlords dad.

I think Star Fox will be the father. Making Thanos Quill's uncle.

 

[Tony Stark]

I agree. Stark as Adam Warlock? Seriously? Stark isn't a very good person, let's be honest. Vision is a much better alternative to Warlock.

I think he was trying to say, he agreed with me that Vision would be taking Warlock's position, just got worded funny.

At least I think that's what he was saying.

 

[Spiderine]

THIS would be perfection, is even be happy him being Starlords real dad. But gunn said he's doing something really risky. Either Howard the duck is Adam warlock role or Thanos is gonna be Starlords dad.

I dunno bout that. Yondu made it sound like his dad was a total a-hole. That doesn't sound like Adam warlock to me. Unless his dad is the Magus. Maybe they go the Luke Skywalker/Vader route.

 

[Spiderine]

I think Star Fox will be the father. Making Thanos Quill's uncle.

Thats what a lot of people think. Instant connection to Thanos. Even though that makes Quill and Gamora related.

 

[flickchick85]

Thats what a lot of people think. Instant connection to Thanos. Even though that makes Quill and Gamora related.

Not by blood, though.

 

[Lilbaz]

I agree. Stark as Adam Warlock? Seriously? Stark isn't a very good person, let's be honest. Vision is a much better alternative to Warlock.

Warlock was a narcisist with a god complex. Who thout he was doing the right thing but would make things worse.

Sound like anyone? No not vision. I doubt Vision would crucify himself in order to start his own church.

I think warlock will be in infinity war. I just think that he is more similar in character (not creation) to stark than vision.

 

[Slushy]

Warlock will be there. Bank on it!

 

[thorstone]

Can we get a thread title change? It's just speculation, not a fact.

No, the analysis is true. The movie is out. You either have the ability analyze a work of fiction or you do not. You either know Adam Warlock or you don't. You either see the allusions or you don't. The drawing of the butterfly might as well have been a neon sign that read "Adam Warlock."

It's not speculation-- it's analysis. Speculation is something you do when the movie hasn't been seen.

 

[Lilbaz]

No, the analysis is true. The movie is out. You either have the ability analyze a work of fiction or you do not. You either know Adam Warlock or you don't. You either see the allusions or you don't. The drawing of the butterfly might as well have been a neon sign that read "Adam Warlock."

It's not speculation-- it's analysis. Speculation is something you do when the movie hasn't been seen.

You haven't seen Ininity War. You are speculating whether or not Adam Warlock will be in it.
Having said that i have no problem with the title.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

No, the analysis is true. The movie is out. You either have the ability analyze a work of fiction or you do not. You either know Adam Warlock or you don't. You either see the allusions or you don't. The drawing of the butterfly might as well have been a neon sign that read "Adam Warlock."

It's not speculation-- it's analysis. Speculation is something you do when the movie hasn't been seen.

You can spin it however you want, but you still don't know for a fact that Adam won't be showing up in Infinity War.

 

[Venom 1988]

No, the analysis is true. The movie is out. You either have the ability analyze a work of fiction or you do not. You either know Adam Warlock or you don't. You either see the allusions or you don't. The drawing of the butterfly might as well have been a neon sign that read "Adam Warlock."

It's not speculation-- it's analysis. Speculation is something you do when the movie hasn't been seen.

Can I have some of that Kool-Aid?

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Now that the thread has been retitled i feel a lot more comfortable discussing this speculative hypothesis.

First of all. I dont think this is going to be the case. I dont think "Vision" will be "Adam Warlock." I dont even think they will share anything but the gem in the forehead (if that). I personally think Adam Warlock will show up as something far closer to an alien than a synthezoid. Much like Drax was changed into just an alien.

But I will say it's an intriguing concept. Especially having Vision (as an Avatar of Life) up against Thanos (the Avatar of Death). It would tie everything in the MCU back to that first Iron Man movie with Jarvis. Not a terrible move on Marvels part. Not to mention the added bonus of having a convenient Witch/Warlock relationship.

But to get rid of the entire origin story of Him/Magus/Warlock in the process? This would destroy the full potential of the Cosmic MCU in its tracks.

 

[Picard Stewart]

No, the analysis is true. The movie is out. You either have the ability analyze a work of fiction or you do not. You either know Adam Warlock or you don't. You either see the allusions or you don't. The drawing of the butterfly might as well have been a neon sign that read "Adam Warlock."

It's not speculation-- it's analysis. Speculation is something you do when the movie hasn't been seen.

I'm glad a few people caught it. Its frustrating to come in here and see so many people either dismiss the red flags or simply not know enough of Adam to recognize him in Bettany's portrayal.

I think Bettany nailed him so I'm happy, even if he began Vision and not Him.

 

[WBwins]

Vision will obviously be taking Warlocks position in Infinity war.But that doesnt stop him from appearing in future

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

I'm glad a few people caught it. Its frustrating to come in here and see so many people either dismiss the red flags or simply not know enough of Adam to recognize him in Bettany's portrayal.

I think Bettany nailed him so I'm happy, even if he began Vision and not Him.

The condescending tone is not helping either of you get your opinions across, so it'd be best to drop it.

 

[jaqua99]

It's a fine theory. Definitely sound. But I'm confused by thorstone and the other guy. The objective fact is that the two are analyzing what appears to be, from one film and are ultimately reaching a speculative conclusion that can't be confirmed. It's a subjective analysis (which in itself doesn't hold a lot of validity in an argument) , regardless of how sound it is, all it is, is a theory, yet these two seem to genuinely chalk it up to a fact that they are so totally sure of. What they said is most definitely possible, and makes a lot of sense, but it's all analysis and speculation. I would tone down the bit of condescending "we're right and how can no one else see that" attitude, comes off kinda rude And suggests their opinions are personal as well as other things..
Sorry, had to say it as least challenging as possible

 

[Tony Stark]

No, the analysis is true. The movie is out. You either have the ability analyze a work of fiction or you do not. You either know Adam Warlock or you don't. You either see the allusions or you don't. The drawing of the butterfly might as well have been a neon sign that read "Adam Warlock."

It's not speculation-- it's analysis. Speculation is something you do when the movie hasn't been seen.

There's no doubt they are taking aspects of Adam Warlock and putting them in Vision. The gem, the cradle, the butterfly as you mentioned. By the way the butterfly was colored green, yellow and red, and Banner's line after seeing the butterfly is "Ultron is going to evolve" So ultimately it led back to Vision.

What is speculation is saying that what amounts to an amalgamation means that this is Adam Warlock and not Vision, because it completely ignores the parts that are Vision. Using JARVIS to upload into vision is a direct parallel to using Wonder Man's brain patterns on Vision.

The parts PS is talking about where Vision will change his appearance into Adam Warlock and start calling himself Adam is 100% total complete speculation with zero proof.

 

[Spiderine]

I still believe they can use Adam as a separate character. Particularly his Magus form. With some time stone manipulation.

 

[jaqua99]

I do too, but I can see them replacing Warlock's role in the IW storyline with Vision.

Although it would be odd. I wouldn't consider Thanos a member of any specific hero's rogue gallery, the only one I could consider is Warlock. The complex enemy and only friend thing they got going on makes them so symbolic, they transcend. Warlock is the avatar of life to thanos' avatar of death. It's not the specific story line in the infinity saga that makes him enjoyable in my opinion. It's his character in contrast to Thanos'.
I would hope they could work that one in to the MCU. Adam is so associated with the soul gem, so we'll see.

 

[Lilbaz]

can we please keep this thread open till casting is anounced for gotg 2?

Some people will be eating humble pie. Really hope that it's the ones using the condescending tone. It will be very funny.

 

[DoubleO88]

Ok there are similarities with Vision and Warlock but to me it's so minor.

I don't even think Vision will take Warlock's role. Hell how will Vision even be functioning when Thanos removes the gem from his head? Warlock doesn't need the soul gem to function, he just happens to have it. Vision needs the mind gem to function. It's where most of his power comes from. And if they really wanted to replace Warlock with Vision why didn't they just use the Soul Gem instead of the Mind Gem? Then I might actually take you guys seriously.

I think Warlock could still be in it and if he's not I don't like Vision taking the role of Warlock, I think that would be better suited to Strange but that's me.

Tony Stark took the role of Hank Pym in creating Ultron but he didn't need to have Hank Pym origin or Hank Pym personality to do it did he? So why does Vision having similar aspects (minor ones as well) to Warlock suddenly mean he HAS to be replacing Warlock?

 

[BatsDC]

I'm glad a few people caught it. Its frustrating to come in here and see so many people either dismiss the red flags or simply not know enough of Adam to recognize him in Bettany's portrayal.

I think Bettany nailed him so I'm happy, even if he began Vision and not Him.

If you honestly think Vision is going to become Adam Warlock and adopt his look... You are going to be very disappointed.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

To me it feels similar to claiming Hank Pym won't be in the MCU because Tony made Ultron instead.

 

[Hush]

Adam Warlock is a whole nother character why would you waste essentially 3 characters on one actor? I mean i love Bettany but you made JARVIS and Vision his characters give Warlock to someone else.

 

[misjuevos]

Have you seen the movie? They absorb Warlock's origin and use it instead of Vision's (other than Ultron helping to create him).

The use of the mind gem is a small change-- what is defining is the motif of the gem in the head.

I have seen the movie multiple times, by the time of this post. You say "other than Ultron helping to create him", but that is the vision's origin. Ultron creates him, though instead of wonder man or maybe the original human torch being added, they used JARVIS. This does not compare to Warlock's origin, or HIM as he was called back then. He was made as the ultimate human creation, by humans. The vision's body was made by ultron. Also when HIM fought Thor, Thor pummeled him and Warlock cocooned himself and fled into space. The vision didn't really fight thor.

Also your defining motif of the gem on the forehead is not exclusive to Adam Warlock. Check out the infinity quest. The Champion, The Gardener, and The Runner, all wore a gem on their forehead. The In-Betweener also wore his gem on his forehead, but he had the soul gem after Warlock, so I didn't count him since that example is similar to Warlock. The Vision doing it just seemed like a perfect fit. All that happened was the Mind gem replaced his solar jewel.

And like I said before Warlock had the soul gem, vision has the mind gem. Adam Warlock is not born with an infinity stone, the high evolutionary gave him the soul gem. The Vision in the movie is born with the mind gem. So the Vision having the mind gem doesn't seem tied at all to Adam Warlock's origin.