Civil War Winter is Coming - The Bucky Barnes Thread

[Silvermoon]

So take3 posted a link in the News/Speculation thread that seems to indicate that Berlin is standing in for Bucharest, Romania. I find this interesting. Sebastian was born in Romania and lived there for a while as a kid (till he was 8, I think, before moving to Austria for a few years and then moving to New York). He speaks the language (there was an interview last year when TWS came out with him speaking a bit). Makes me wonder if he'll get to use that knowledge/if we'll get to hear Bucky speak some Romanian during the film?

 

[Voltron]

Finally! Seb on set pics! I need to see Bucky with a hair bun!

 

[JtheDreamer]

Finally! Seb on set pics! I need to see Bucky with a hair bun!

I'll pass on the man-bun.

 

[sergeantbucky]

I'll pass on the man-bun.

Ditto. That's a trend I don't want to see in the MCU.

 

[TalismanRing]

Of course, it's just rumors so far, but they keep getting confirmed. For example:

And if you think about it, this actually makes sense, because who's been on set longer aside Evans himself? I don't think Mackie will get significant storyline here.

Not what I'd call confirmed. Unless it's Feige or the Russos I'm not biting.

Feige has said Bucky is important but he has also said the main story is the conflict between Steve and Tony - two characters we know and like very well - and how it affects their relationships with other people.

RDJ and Feige have both said that Cap is the central character, and that's the way it should be.

Fascinating how people complain about RDJ "highjacking" the film but are fine if it's Stan doing it (and hopefully getting the shield over Caps dead body)

As for time spent on set, RDJ was on set for 3 months (He also plays a character that is a lot CGI so he doesn't have to be there for certain set pieces) Stan was there too from May - July but also off in NYC for awhile, ditto Scarlett and Mackie. Mackie is Berlin as well. Also there's Chad and Bruhl have been in Atlanta for some time and are now in Berlin.

 

[Silvermoon]

Not what I'd call confirmed. Unless it's Feige or the Russos I'm not biting.

Feige has said Bucky is important but he has also said the main story is the conflict between Steve and Tony - two characters we know and like very well - and how it affects their relationships with other people.

RDJ and Feige have both said that Cap is the central character, and that's the way it should be.

Fascinating how people complain about RDJ "highjacking" the film but are fine if it's Stan doing it (and hopefully getting the shield over Caps dead body)

As for time spent on set, RDJ was on set for 3 months (He also plays a character that is a lot CGI so he doesn't have to be there for certain set pieces) Stan was there too from May - July but also off in NYC for awhile, ditto Scarlett and Mackie. Mackie is Berlin as well. Also there's Chad and Bruhl have been in Atlanta for some time and are now in Berlin.

Not going to comment on the 'shield over Caps dead body' because I don't care either way in regards to that (actually, I'd prefer Cap/Steve to not be killed at all). I admit I was initially concerned that RDJ might hijack the movie (though I've felt better about things in the recent couple months). Regarding your bolded, I will say that, for me at least, I don't believe that Stan will be hijacking the film (and if he were/was taking complete focus and shoving Cap to the background, I'd have a problem with that as well).

My excitement over Stan being on set for a decent amount of time and what not is more for the hope that the plotlines between Cap and Bucky that were left hanging in TWS will be given the time they deserve. It's the dynamic and interactions between those two characters that I'm looking forward to seeing (that I like Bucky/Sebastian is just icing on the cake ) - I mean, Bucky is the one piece of Steve's past, of the time and place that he grew up that he has a chance to hold on to ([blackout]especially with Peggy dying[/blackout]) - if he can help Bucky remember/help rehabilitate him. I think helping Bucky is going to be as much about holding onto that last piece of his past as it is the right thing to do.

If that all makes sense (if it doesn't, feel free to ignore it, it's been one of those weeks *lol*).

Anywho, yet another pic of Seb out and around Berlin

Source

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Fascinating how people complain about RDJ "highjacking" the film but are fine if it's Stan doing it (and hopefully getting the shield over Caps dead body)

Could it be that RDJ asked for a larger role in an already crowded movie and got it, whereas nothing's ever been said of Stan asking for the same? Or might it be that Stan doesn't have three movies (not counting Avengers appearances) to himself already?

 

[Rote]

Not what I'd call confirmed. Unless it's Feige or the Russos I'm not biting.

Feige has said Bucky is important but he has also said the main story is the conflict between Steve and Tony - two characters we know and like very well - and how it affects their relationships with other people.

RDJ and Feige have both said that Cap is the central character, and that's the way it should be.

Fascinating how people complain about RDJ "highjacking" the film but are fine if it's Stan doing it (and hopefully getting the shield over Caps dead body)

I don't think these people want Cap to get killed. It's just that Bucky now (if not has always been) is the most important person in Steve's life, their stories are so interwined, so it's logical, like Steve and Peggy were main characters in TFA, despite main conflict with the Red Skull (and even then Cap was ready to risk anything for Bucky). Furthermore, this is the one line, that goes through all Cap's films. Tony's relationships with others are irrelevant, because he's got all his three films already and it's not the Avengers.
Film's working title is "SPUTNIK", shutdown code for WS, after all. Of course, you may be right, but in the same time too many things imply Bucky as the heart of the story ("Everyone Gets Bucky"), which doesn't make Cap himself secondary to him. And I don't think Cap from MCU would ever get himself in mortal combat with his former friend Tony if it's all about politics. Bucky as personal case must be the breaking point.

 

[sergeantbucky]

If anyone thinks that SebStan is hijacking Civil War, they'd be out of their mind. Did Natasha hijack TWS? Did Sam? Did Bucky? Give me a break. Bucky is a major player in Steve's personal story, of course he'll be given a decent amount of screentime in Steve's solo movie.

Besides, where is the continuation and conclusion of Bucky's story supposed to take place? In a movie where the title character has nothing to do with him?

If Bucky is set to take over Cap's shield in the future, then we need character development. People like Talisman won't accept that some-guy-who-was-bad-but-kinda-not in TWS becomes Cap unless he's proven himself worthy. I don't want Cap to die, not at all, but I do think Bucky will probably take up the mantle at some point in the franchise.

 

[Stevie2020]

Is there any reason in the MCU for anyone other than Steve Rogers to be Cap? I'm being serious. Bucky is important to Steve and can have a potentially interesting character arc, but what is the point?

 

[MbJ]

Could it be that RDJ asked for a larger role in an already crowded movie and got it, whereas nothing's ever been said of Stan asking for the same? Or might it be that Stan doesn't have three movies (not counting Avengers appearances) to himself already?

Bucky's also an important part of the Cap franchise anyway so I don't know why anyone would complain about a Captain America character having a sizable part in a Captain America movie.

Mind you I don't really mind Iron Man's appearance either.

 

[sergeantbucky]

Is there any reason in the MCU for anyone other than Steve Rogers to be Cap? I'm being serious. Bucky is important to Steve and can have a potentially interesting character arc, but what is the point?

Eh, I figure they'll make Bucky Cap temporarily if Steve "dies"/retires in CW. If Chris Evans bails after the IW films, they'll want another Cap. Falcon would probably be their choice at that point.

In an ideal world, Chris Evans would stay Cap forever, but I think they want to start shaking thing up as different actors enter and leave the franchise.

 

[TalismanRing]

Could it be that RDJ asked for a larger role in an already crowded movie and got it, whereas nothing's ever been said of Stan asking for the same? Or might it be that Stan doesn't have three movies (not counting Avengers appearances) to himself already?

Very doubtful on all points.
They care about the story they want to tell and they want to tell it

There was one unverified rumor with no source than RDJ asked for more screen time which made little sense in that the story being done is Civil War. Feige though has said that Civil War happened because RDJ agreed to make the movie. I don't know how anyone could believe that CW could be done with a Tony cameo or small part. Feige has stated:

“Civil War is a relatively simple story,” states Feige. [Avengers: Age of Ultron] had a lot going on. Civil War is a surprisingly grounded story about two characters that most audience members have come to know and like and admire finding themselves on different sides of a political argument, like the country does on many occasions, and how they both respond to that. That’s the story. So it’s actually a very, very simple story, and then how their personal relationships fit into that.”

This is CA: Civil War not CA: The Search For Bucky.

Bucky will fit in as part of Steve's personal relationships and as part of the greater CW story - as he did in TWS but with a bigger role. The core conflict though should be between Steve and Tony.

I really doubt Marvel cares about making sure Stan has more screen time than RDJ or at least a half a dozen other people in the MCU. Do you think they care about getting Cobie or EVC more screen time than SJ in ay movie? Yeah, no.

 

[TalismanRing]

Is there any reason in the MCU for anyone other than Steve Rogers to be Cap? I'm being serious. Bucky is important to Steve and can have a potentially interesting character arc, but what is the point?

There is no point except for those that like legacy characters or are fans of certain characters getting bigger roles which can seemingly only happen if they become legacy characters.

It's odd. Evans signed a 6 film contract (which is now 7) that runs almost a decade but since the first film how and when Cap will die and turn over the shield etc seems to have been a constant conversation even though he's very popular in the role. I think Movie Pilot has an article a week about it.

 

[Rote]

This is CA: Civil War not CA: The Search For Bucky.

Bucky will fit in as part of Steve's personal relationships and as part of the greater CW story - as he did in TWS but with a bigger role. The core conflict though should be between Steve and Tony.

I really doubt Marvel cares about making sure Stan has more screen time than RDJ or at least a half a dozen other people in the MCU. Do you think they care about getting Cobie or EVC more screen time than SJ in ay movie? Yeah, no.

Of course the main conflict will be between Steve and Tony as in TFA it was between Steve and Red Skull. But this is Captain America:CW, not Captain America VS Iron Man:CW. If producers are making another Avenger's movie instead of Cap's, it's only their mistake and cheating on fans.

I really doubt Marvel cares about making sure Stan has more screen time than RDJ or at least a half a dozen other people in the MCU. Do you think they care about getting Cobie or EVC more screen time than SJ in ay movie? Yeah, no.

You can't compare them with each other, because Hill and Sharon are far less important for Steve than Bucky.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Very doubtful on all points.
They care about the story they want to tell and they want to tell it

There was one unverified rumor with no source than RDJ asked for more screen time which made little sense in that the story being done is Civil War.

That "one unverified rumor" came right along the first "rumor" that RDJ was in talks and that it was to be Civil War, through Variety who is no Latino Review. The exact same article, but sure, maybe they somehow got it completely wrong. Sure.

Feige though has said that Civil War happened because RDJ agreed to make the movie. I don't know how anyone could believe that CW could be done with a Tony cameo or small part. Feige has stated:

This is CA: Civil War not CA: The Search For Bucky.

The same way we can have Captain America: The Winter Soldier with Alexander Pierce, Nick Fury and Black Widow as bigger roles than Bucky, I would presume.

Bucky will fit in as part of Steve's personal relationships and as part of the greater CW story - as he did in TWS but with a bigger role. The core conflict though should be between Steve and Tony.

I really doubt Marvel cares about making sure Stan has more screen time than RDJ or at least a half a dozen other people in the MCU. Do you think they care about getting Cobie or EVC more screen time than SJ in ay movie? Yeah, no.

Oh, I don't disagree on this. But the point of contention is whether or not RDJ taking over or Stan having a main role is the same.

 

[sergeantbucky]

Of course the main conflict will be between Steve and Tony as in TFA it was between Steve and Red Skull. But this is Captain America:CW, not Captain America VS Iron Man:CW. If producers are making another Avenger's movie instead of Cap's, it's only their mistake and cheating on fans.

You can't compare them with each other, because Hill and Sharon are far less important for Steve than Bucky.

Exactly.

 

[TalismanRing]

Of course the main conflict will be between Steve and Tony as in TFA it was between Steve and Red Skull. But this is Captain America:CW, not Captain America VS Iron Man:CW. If producers are making another Avenger's movie instead of Cap's, it's only their mistake and cheating on fans.

You can't compare them with each other, because Hill and Sharon are far less important for Steve than Bucky.

They're making Civil War. Civil War was Steve and Tony centric but since this is a Cap film it will lean heavily on his perspective. Tony having a big and important role, which is necessary for this plot, doesn't make it an Avengers movie. Tony as a character CW is not interchangeable as an adversary as Red Skull since they are former teammates and friends. It's a personal as well as adversarial relationship (though not nearly as deep as the decades long one in the comics). That is also a personal part of Steve's story.

Heck, if they're actually going down the (ugh) road of WS murdering Tony's parents then it's going to get personal on that level as well between Bucky, Steve and Tony.

That "one unverified rumor" came right along the first "rumor" that RDJ was in talks and that it was to be Civil War, through Variety who is no Latino Review. The exact same article, but sure, maybe they somehow got it completely wrong. Sure.

Trades are indeed not Latino Review etc but they make some mistakes especially when dealing with unnamed sources who may not be as well informed as they think. Like claiming Crossbones was the lead villain in CW and breaking the news Bruhl was hired but saying he had a small role in CW but was going to be the lead villain in Dr. Strange. They got the Bruhl in CW right but everything else wrong.

That piece from Variety also said that they planned to use Banner instead of Stark if the negotiating with RDJ fell through but how nonsensical was that in a Civil War movie? The idea that Feige and Marvel would rather have RDJ in CW as a cameo rather than a big part doesn't make any artistic or financial sense.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Trades are indeed not Latino Review etc but they make some mistakes especially when dealing with unnamed sources who may not be as well informed as they think. Like claiming Crossbones was the lead villain in CW and breaking the news Bruhl was hired but saying he had a small role in CW but was going to be the lead villain in Dr. Strange. They got the Bruhl in CW right but everything else wrong.

That piece from Variety also said that they planned to use Banner instead of Stark if the negotiating with RDJ fell through but how nonsensical was that in a Civil War movie? The idea that Feige and Marvel would rather have RDJ in CW as a cameo rather than a big part doesn't make any artistic or financial sense.

They said that they would have used another character, with Banner only being an example of such. They also point the possibility of no Civil War at all.

I'm sure Feige is over the moon about RDJ, but M&M and even the Russos might have felt differently.

Like, they might have planned to use Civil War as the red herring side-story. Considering Zemo is involved, the final conflict will likely pit Steve against him. So no, though the movie is titled Civil War, there are still ways that Stark could have been a smaller role.

 

[Rote]

It's interesting, you are speaking about valid sourse, like Fiege, but I definitely remember, how Russo said that the heart of the film will be Steve's complicated relationship with Bucky (aside from politics' themes) not long before revelation, that Cap 3 will be about CW. That's why, I think, people are complaining about RDJ hijaking the movie.

 

[MbJ]

Sounds like a cool chase.

 

[take3]

aww, he's a sweetheart:

http://girlfrom6277.tumblr.com/post/126379303714

 

[sergeantbucky]

aww, he's a sweetheart:

http://girlfrom6277.tumblr.com/post/126379303714

I'm jealous of those girls, but so glad they got the opportunity to meet him!

 

[Silvermoon]

aww, he's a sweetheart:

http://girlfrom6277.tumblr.com/post/126379303714

I love the boy, but some of those pictures turned out kind of creepy (like the one in the bottom left corner)

Anywho, lucky fans, and awesome of him to go out (in his PJ's apparently) and see/talk to them

 

[TalismanRing]

I miss his Bucky look from TFA. Pumped greasy hobo is not doing for me.