Wolfman-The Offical Thread

[DACrowe]

DaCrowe, i'm positive, meant to say "American Werewolf In Paris". Which is truly one of the ****tiest films ever.

Yes, thank you. I think I just almost lost my geek cred. Thanks for pointing out.

1. The Wolf Man
2. An American Werewolf in London

I must have had a brain fart. I meant to write American Werewolves in Paris which is pure grade-A ****.

As others have said An American Werewolf in London is a great film and in my humble opinion a perfect werewolf movie only trumped by the original Wolf Man as I prefer bipedal and Chaney's Larry Talbot was more sympathetic (and I just love the ending with the gypsy and Sir John being there as he realizes he killed his son).

But as i had posted earlier American Werewolf in London is a horror classic and one of the best horror/comedies ever. American Werewolves in London is trash. Sorry for the slip of the mind there.

 

[DACrowe]

P.S. What do people think about them remaking An American Werewolf in London for next year, by the way?

 

[Sentinel X]

The first time I saw an american werewolf in london I didn't like it much but after watching it again it is such a good film.
Its a shame they don't make any more good werewolf films...vampires seem to be much luckier when it comes to film

 

[SurfDUI]

Serious...that's the thing with werewolf stories. Vampires can go anywhere, a city, country, school. Werewolfs are tied to only a few locals..which is why there's so few distinct movies. Universal Wolfmn / Howling films / Landis' movie. If you don't tie to one of these its not so good. I liked Curse. Edit, I didn't hate it

 

[DACrowe]

Yes and no. There are some very good movies that aren't straight werewolf movies bbut are heavily influenced by them, such as Wolfen and Brotherhood of the Wolf. And the formula of the early Universal werewolf movies--Werewolf of London (1935) and The Wolf Man (1941)--are just as easily the format as the 1931 Dracula with Bela Lugosi is for vampire movies. How many vampire movies, if not just about Dracula, are about a vampire who travels from a faraway place, feeds on lovely young girls in western culture and is then hunted by vampire hunters?

The trick is to reinvent the werewolf in new ways as an archetype (True Blood will hopefully succeed as they did with vampires in the new upcoming season). But most vampire fiction that has broken away from the Dracula template (novel or Universal) has usually been disappointing. Sure Anne Rice's early novels and the IWTV film are a brilliant take on a sympathetic vampire approach (the first really), as is True Blood. And you get some cool stuff every now and then like Lost Boys or From Dusk 'Till Dawn.

But in all honesty...most vampire movies are crap. There are just more of them than werewolf movies. Since Anne Rice's novel most vampires are romantic, seductive and tragic. Twilight is the epitome of this. I would hate to see an oversaturation of werewolves like we have seen with vampires. When you reach the point that there is a CW show about vampires dealing with their feelings in high school, you know you've fallen a long way from Bram Stoker. This decade saw crap like Skinwalkers, Cursed and Blood & Chocolate (which I actually haven't seen) but was there really any stand out vampire films in the last ten years either? Besides Twilight, which is not necessarily a good thing, I'd say no.

 

[cryptic name]

Yes, thank you. I think I just almost lost my geek cred. Thanks for pointing out.



I must have had a brain fart. I meant to write American Werewolves in Paris which is pure grade-A ****.

As others have said An American Werewolf in London is a great film and in my humble opinion a perfect werewolf movie only trumped by the original Wolf Man as I prefer bipedal and Chaney's Larry Talbot was more sympathetic (and I just love the ending with the gypsy and Sir John being there as he realizes he killed his son).

But as i had posted earlier American Werewolf in London is a horror classic and one of the best horror/comedies ever. American Werewolves in London is trash. Sorry for the slip of the mind there.

ah, sorry for the mix up. American Werewolf in Paris is indeed garbage

 

[Doctor Jones]

Not to mention the cop out ending. I mean he survived. The cursed man ALWAYS dies.

 

[spider-neil]

imho american warewolf in london is the best wolf movie ever made and the blu ray transfer is incredible.

 

[SurfDUI]

The trick is to reinvent the werewolf in new ways as an archetype

I know, even past Dracula as a seducer, I think the vampire got a boost from female perspective over the last 30 years, weather its a writer, slayer or whatever new moon is.
Maybe werefolf stories are to male for the same could apply. A female werewolf has only come around a couple times, unless you count the Howling orgies. You right tho.

Brotherhood of the Wolf!! Mani >> Iron Chef

 

[Doctor Jones]

Dog Soliders. I ****ing love this movie. I think it's my favorite werewolf film.

 

[The Chris]

Just saw this. I freakin' love it. Just totally brutal, with awesome cinematography and a great cast. Full of energy and excitement with a great blend of old school and new tricks. Can't wait to see it again on blu-ray.

 

[spider-neil]

Dog Soliders. I ****ing love this movie. I think it's my favorite werewolf film.

would probably be my favorite as well but the warewolf reveal at the end. OH DEAR!

 

[spider-neil]

I've ordered brotherhood of the wolf and dog solders on blu ray. wolfman has put me in the mood for warewolf movies

 

[javphonic]

That's three questions...

Anyway:
1.) I don't think so, and I have yet to meet someone personally who thinks it's good. Everyone I've talked said they didn't like it. Curiously, it has a supportive fan base here on SHH defending it at every turn, so this is another instalment of the "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" line it seems.

2.) What I would compare it to would be, Wolfman (1941) for it's inspiration, Harry Potter 3-5 for it's imagery and Species 2 for it's broad genre and entertainment value.

3.) It had a nervy start and a few jump scares in the first half hour but otherwise doesn't tread much into "scary" territory.



Save your money. I've seen Shutter Island and there really isn't any contest. put your money on Shutter Island instead.

Thanks, I actually thought Shutter Island wouldn't be scary in the least, I might just see that instead, on (2) thanks for the visual ref.s

I get what you mean about the fan base, I read it received mixed to negative reviews elsewhere, but on here it initially sounded like it was pretty good

 

[블라스]

So underwhelming. Technically well done for the most part, but I found it hard to care for any of the main characters, with the exception of maybe Inspector Aberline...

Spoiler

and making him a wolfman for a potential sequel? CHEAP

Some scenes were good, but most were just....there. Haha and they just had to have a bombastic CGI werewolf fight for modern audiences, eh?

I spent most of the time just going "Yeah...ok, that was kinda good", you know? Like almost nothing really excited me. Very disappointing. 5/10

 

[Hannibal Smith]

I do think the Pit scene was pretty cool and i think the Gypsy camp scene made the Older Wolf seem more scary then when see him at the Mansion.

 

[Darth Elektra]

Psycho, Rear Window, Searchers, Citizen Kane, The Third Man, Casablanca, Gone with the Wind, Night at the Opera, Double Indemnity, Sunset Boulevard, To Kill a Mockingbird, Bonnie & Clyde, Bridge Over the River Kwai, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, High Noon, Arsenic and Old Lace, Breakfast at Tiffany's, My Fair Lady, Singin' in the Rain, Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, Charade, North By Northwest, The Birds, Rebecca, The Big Sleep, In A Lonely Place, King Kong The Bicycle Thieves, Nosferatu, The Graduate, Cool Hand Luke, Fort Apache, Lawrence of Arabia, The Man Who Would Be King, The Grapes of Wrath, 12 Angry Men, It's a Wonderful Life, Shadow of a Doubt, etc. etc. etc.?

Man you really shouldn't limit yourself like that. You're avoiding a ton of masterpieces.

Anyway, the plot to the original Wolf Man while very stilted in 1940s horror, is much more emotionally investing and quite different to the one in the remake (I think turning Sir John into a werewolf in the remake was a bad idea from square one).

Excellent films you mentioned!

I couldn't agree more with you on the difference between the original and the remake.
They really are two different films. (I agree with you on your Sir John point aswell)

 

[Matt.S99]

Saw it last night. I enjoyed it. Great effects and the wolfman looked BEYOND perfect. The story(which I heard was terrible) was not too bad. But I felt that it was a bit rushed. I wanted more!

 

[kane9321]

saw it, loved it (

Spoiler

had a feeling dear old daddy killed his wife and son

..it was like...yeah i did it so what)

 

[Wolfman]

Bheck out these pictures of Rick Baker doing his thing to Benicio:

http://www.beniciodeltoro.ca/Latest_News.htm#February 2010

 

[Kurosawa]

Yes and no. There are some very good movies that aren't straight werewolf movies bbut are heavily influenced by them, such as Wolfen and Brotherhood of the Wolf. And the formula of the early Universal werewolf movies--Werewolf of London (1935) and The Wolf Man (1941)--are just as easily the format as the 1931 Dracula with Bela Lugosi is for vampire movies. How many vampire movies, if not just about Dracula, are about a vampire who travels from a faraway place, feeds on lovely young girls in western culture and is then hunted by vampire hunters?

The trick is to reinvent the werewolf in new ways as an archetype (True Blood will hopefully succeed as they did with vampires in the new upcoming season). But most vampire fiction that has broken away from the Dracula template (novel or Universal) has usually been disappointing. Sure Anne Rice's early novels and the IWTV film are a brilliant take on a sympathetic vampire approach (the first really), as is True Blood. And you get some cool stuff every now and then like Lost Boys or From Dusk 'Till Dawn.

But in all honesty...most vampire movies are crap. There are just more of them than werewolf movies. Since Anne Rice's novel most vampires are romantic, seductive and tragic. Twilight is the epitome of this. I would hate to see an oversaturation of werewolves like we have seen with vampires. When you reach the point that there is a CW show about vampires dealing with their feelings in high school, you know you've fallen a long way from Bram Stoker. This decade saw crap like Skinwalkers, Cursed and Blood & Chocolate (which I actually haven't seen) but was there really any stand out vampire films in the last ten years either? Besides Twilight, which is not necessarily a good thing, I'd say no.

Vampire movies are a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to make and they have the sex element too.

 

[Wolfman]

Let the right one in stood out pretty well out of all the vampire movies, I must say. It's being americanized as we write. :/

 

[Doctor Jones]

Let The Right One In was the best vamptire movie in a long time for me. Hopefully the remake is at least good.

 

[Kurosawa]

Let The Right One In was the best vamptire movie in a long time for me. Hopefully the remake is at least good.

The new Hammer is making it, so hopefully it's good. It would be a good thing for horror films for them to have a presence.

 

[Matt]

I saw it today. I liked it better when it was Ang Lee's Hulk.