Wolverine And Jean. Hmmmm

[Knightsaber Priss]

{Sigh} I know, I know every time some one mentions Cyclops that's how it turns into a Wolverine bashers thread. I dispise that stripe LOL. If its some one's art work good job.

That's the real deal kiddo. You must not have read X-Men in the 80's huh?

 

[RonStoppablefan]

That's the real deal kiddo. You must not have read X-Men in the 80's huh?

I've only seen every series and have seen the movies. But none the less I still am a fan

 

[Kurosawa]

And Wolverine without his claws is less than nothing, considering how he gets his butt handed to him with them. Cyclops can more than handle himself in hand to hand combat like Wolverine of course he cant be ripped limb from limb and regenerate in a split second like the almighty Wolverine.

I admit it, I have a 15 year hatred of Wolverine.

32 year hatred here dating back to Hulk #181 (or #180 if ya wanna get technical about it)

My favorite cover with ****Everine on it:

That cover brings warm feelings to my heart

 

[The Guard]

Phoenix doesnt ramp up other peoples powers generally. Never seen it happen in the comics.

This isn't the comics. By all accounts, she removes Scott's glasses, and tries to control his powers via her own. But she can't, they go out of control, and he dies from internal overload. Same with Xavier. Same clearly happens to Wolverine, by what we're seeing in the film.

 

[GambitXremy]

they said did got alot of the script from grants run on new x-men and grant hassaid that the whole jean and ckye relationship was over dude for a change you can eventell that at the end of hisrun were wolie and jean are in the space ship about to die were there both realy close

 

[Loganbabe]

Well, since we're posting Comic Booky stuff in here, I'd just like to post my fave Wolverine comic Cover that does feature Jean on it.

Oh man, Larry Hama...I love that arc!
And he also wrote one of the most memorable and poignant Jean/Logan scenes ever, when he´s talking to her at a bar about his distress over Silver Fox´s death and his life in general. Beautiful.

 

[EmmaFrostRules]

actually, the people who call this thread a wolverine bashing thread are totally wrong. This is more of a "how come phoenix cant kick the beep outa wolverine" thread. i like wolverine, i think hes a cool characters...i just dont see how rogue can nearly kill him when phoenix cant. and dont sau she was holding back, because people who have seen it say she was giving him all she got.

 

[tirminyl]

actually, the people who call this thread a wolverine bashing thread are totally wrong. This is more of a "how come phoenix cant kick the beep outa wolverine" thread. i like wolverine, i think hes a cool characters...i just dont see how rogue can nearly kill him when phoenix cant. and dont sau she was holding back, because people who have seen it say she was giving him all she got.

My roommate asked for the spoiler of the movie and thats what he asked. How could Rogue *almost* kill Wolverine, but Phoenix, who is literally ripping everything apart molecule by molecule within her site can't kill Wolverine. I also don't buy this "She was giving them power". Doesn't work for me.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

I've only seen every series and have seen the movies. But none the less I still am a fan

Well, that's a start! I recommend you try to search for back issues of the X-Men comics. There really were some fantastic story arcs in them. If what I'm thinking is going to happen in the movie, namely olverine forced to kill Jean to save the Earth, I'm thinking his being forced to skewer her is shades of Mariko's death. I believe I have that issue of the Wolverine comic lying around somewhere.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

32 year hatred here dating back to Hulk #181 (or #180 if ya wanna get technical about it)

My favorite cover with ****Everine on it:

That cover brings warm feelings to my heart

This looks like a Wolverine bashing post to me.

*is a Wolverine/Sabretooth fam from way back in the day.*

 

[logansoldcigar]

My roommate asked for the spoiler of the movie and thats what he asked. How could Rogue *almost* kill Wolverine, but Phoenix, who is literally ripping everything apart molecule by molecule within her site can't kill Wolverine. I also don't buy this "She was giving them power". Doesn't work for me.

because the first thing Rogue does is remove his healing ability. hence, when her power starts to draw on his life force, he cant heal. cos hes lost his healing ability

thats why all his fresh cuts re-opened and the end of the first.

I have, somewhere up in the loft, and in issue of Xmen where the team (as it was at that time..Havok, Physlocke, Wolverine, plus Captain Britian (who was visiting cos his sister had just regained her sight) were taken to another dimension to go on a mission through some citadel for an alien being to fetch a crystal. this citadel could read their hopes and fears and defeated them all, one by one, except wolverine. the bad guy met wolverine by the crystal, and ripped out his heart, killing him. But a drop of wolverines blood landed on the crystal, and provided his healing factor with enough power to rebuild his entire system. he beat the bad guy using the god like powers of the crystal, and refused the temptation to be a good..wishing his metal skeleton and claws back into himslef, he then destroyed the crystal. turned out it was a test of mankind.
the point? well, given enough of a power source, his body can rebuild from a drop of blood.

 

[Kurosawa]

This looks like a Wolverine bashing post to me.

*is a Wolverine/Sabretooth fam from way back in the day.*

Thanks to Wolverine, my favorite character is dead in the movie where he should have shined. So I'm not feeling too forgiving towards him right now.

 

[Kurosawa]

because the first thing Rogue does is remove his healing ability. hence, when her power starts to draw on his life force, he cant heal. cos hes lost his healing ability

thats why all his fresh cuts re-opened and the end of the first.

I have, somewhere up in the loft, and in issue of Xmen where the team (as it was at that time..Havok, Physlocke, Wolverine, plus Captain Britian (who was visiting cos his sister had just regained her sight) were taken to another dimension to go on a mission through some citadel for an alien being to fetch a crystal. this citadel could read their hopes and fears and defeated them all, one by one, except wolverine. the bad guy met wolverine by the crystal, and ripped out his heart, killing him. But a drop of wolverines blood landed on the crystal, and provided his healing factor with enough power to rebuild his entire system. he beat the bad guy using the god like powers of the crystal, and refused the temptation to be a good..wishing his metal skeleton and claws back into himslef, he then destroyed the crystal. turned out it was a test of mankind.
the point? well, given enough of a power source, his body can rebuild from a drop of blood.

God, that's ridiculous.

Characters that can never die and are that invincible are boring.

 

[gambitfire]

OK, let me try something..............Ive cleard my mind forgetting everything i know about the comics............and gone, ok let's see.

X1 Relationship between Jean and Cyclops, got it, Wolverine comes in he flirts one or two lines nothing big, Xavier asks him take care over after me if something happens to me, ok got it moving on.............X2 Wolverine comes back makes like one attempt to hit on jean she kinda rejects him she sticks with cykes yadadada she chooses Cyclops...blah blah blah she dies, reveals phoenix, Cyclops cries likes there's no tomorrow ok go it...........now X3 Xavier had told Cyclops he must carry on with the school while trying to save the woman he loves.....oh wait i think i missed something

 

[logansoldcigar]

but he can die. cancel his healing. the cure, as in the movie, would kill him. his healing factor enables him to have metal bones. remove his mutation, and voila. he would die. a slow and painful death. rogue can kill him. dismember him. he doesnt have metal sopft tissue between the bones. If you cut of his arms, legs n head, im pretty sure he would die.

and its no less ridiculoes than someone who can shhot concussion beams from his eyes, or turn his skin into metal, or was born looking like a blue furry deman, and can teleport.

 

[gambitfire]

but he can die. cancel his healing. the cure, as in the movie, would kill him. his healing factor enables him to have metal bones. remove his mutation, and voila. he would die. a slow and painful death. rogue can kill him. dismember him. he doesnt have metal sopft tissue between the bones. If you cut of his arms, legs n head, im pretty sure he would die.

and its no less ridiculoes than someone who can shhot concussion beams from his eyes, or turn his skin into metal, or was born looking like a blue furry deman, and can teleport.

Call me farfetched but ummm i think is alot more ridiculous

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

Thanks to Wolverine, my favorite character is dead in the movie where he should have shined. So I'm not feeling too forgiving towards him right now.

Well la dee dah!!!! Boo hoo!!! My fave character was relegated to second string villain status with no frigging mention of his connection to Wolverine and Weapon. Cry me a river will ya?

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

but he can die. cancel his healing. the cure, as in the movie, would kill him. his healing factor enables him to have metal bones. remove his mutation, and voila. he would die. a slow and painful death. rogue can kill him. dismember him. he doesnt have metal sopft tissue between the bones. If you cut of his arms, legs n head, im pretty sure he would die.

and its no less ridiculoes than someone who can shhot concussion beams from his eyes, or turn his skin into metal, or was born looking like a blue furry deman, and can teleport.

I'd like to point out too that if you remove Wolverine's ability to heal, he'll die slowly of Adamantium Poisoning as well since the metal is quite toxic to organic material.

 

[tirminyl]

because the first thing Rogue does is remove his healing ability. hence, when her power starts to draw on his life force, he cant heal. cos hes lost his healing ability

thats why all his fresh cuts re-opened and the end of the first.

I have, somewhere up in the loft, and in issue of Xmen where the team (as it was at that time..Havok, Physlocke, Wolverine, plus Captain Britian (who was visiting cos his sister had just regained her sight) were taken to another dimension to go on a mission through some citadel for an alien being to fetch a crystal. this citadel could read their hopes and fears and defeated them all, one by one, except wolverine. the bad guy met wolverine by the crystal, and ripped out his heart, killing him. But a drop of wolverines blood landed on the crystal, and provided his healing factor with enough power to rebuild his entire system. he beat the bad guy using the god like powers of the crystal, and refused the temptation to be a good..wishing his metal skeleton and claws back into himslef, he then destroyed the crystal. turned out it was a test of mankind.
the point? well, given enough of a power source, his body can rebuild from a drop of blood.

So your telling me he can almost not survive that but he can survive being ripped apart molecule by molecule?

I agree with Kurosawa. It is ridiculous how the comics make Wolverine out to be. Even you as fans should seriously say, WTF.

 

[logansoldcigar]

Call me farfetched but ummm i think is alot more ridiculous

you're farfetched.

Its all bloody ridiculous. someone whose eyes are actually an interdimensional gateway. but luckily, he can still see. when his eyes are acting as the interdimensional gateway. and yet its somehow less ridiculous than someone whose entire body, (given the right amount of Power) can regenerate from a drop of blood.

 

[logansoldcigar]

So your telling me he can almost not survive that but he can survive being ripped apart molecule by molecule?

I agree with Kurosawa. It is ridiculous how the comics make Wolverine out to be. Even you as fans should seriously say, WTF.

I havent seen the film yet, so i couldnt possibly comment on it. If the writers (rightly or wrongly) have written in Guards explanation, then yeah, why not.
However, until Ive actually seen it, i cant judge it. Trust me, if its mediocre(as i suspect the film on a whole is going to be, mainly due to short runtime), Ill say its mediocre.
But i wont comment on something i havent actually seen.

 

[tirminyl]

but he can die. cancel his healing. the cure, as in the movie, would kill him. his healing factor enables him to have metal bones. remove his mutation, and voila. he would die. a slow and painful death. rogue can kill him. dismember him. he doesnt have metal sopft tissue between the bones. If you cut of his arms, legs n head, im pretty sure he would die.

and its no less ridiculoes than someone who can shhot concussion beams from his eyes, or turn his skin into metal, or was born looking like a blue furry deman, and can teleport.

Or While he has the metal. Burn his skin off, destroy his organs. People seem to forget his entire body is not encased in metal. He can die with the metal attached!

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

Or While he has the metal. Burn his skin off, destroy his organs. People seem to forget his entire body is not encased in metal. He can die with the metal attached!

Already been stated by yours truly bub.

I'd like to point out too that if you remove Wolverine's ability to heal, he'll die slowly of Adamantium Poisoning as well since the metal is quite toxic to organic material.

 

[tirminyl]

I havent seen the film yet, so i couldnt possibly comment on it. If the writers (rightly or wrongly) have written in Guards explanation, then yeah, why not.
However, until Ive actually seen it, i cant judge it. Trust me, if its mediocre(as i suspect the film on a whole is going to be, mainly due to short runtime), Ill say its mediocre.
But i wont comment on something i havent actually seen.

Well, from the previews you can literally see all othe rmutants, humans, trucks, buildings, etc., vanish but Wolvie still stands.

 

[logansoldcigar]

I really think some people round here(not necessarily in the thread, but on this board in general) need to take a good long look in the mirror and do some growing up