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Wolverine and the X-men: Episode 24: "Foresight part 1"

It will be almost completely impossible to stick to the comics completely for AOA you'll need a cast list of OVER 40 X-Men to tell the stories of Factor X, X-Calibre, Generation Next, Astonishing X-Men, Amazing X-Men, Gambit & The X-Ternals, Weapon X & X-Man. And Not to mention all the love interests like Rogue & Magneto, Storm & Quicksilver, Gambit & Lila Cheney, Blink & Sabretooth, Psylocke & Angel, The marriage of Wolverine & Jean Grey & Shadowcat & Colossus. There's far too much ground to cover to stick completely to the comics. Its best they just take segments from it and tell the stories that they think would translate well to TV and manipulate and change things round as they see fit. If they try to cram everything in, then it'll just end up being too confusing.

I expect the next season may be somewhat more like X-Men Legends 2 the game then AoA. Remember the game where Polaris and Quicksilver were captured by Apoc along with Genosha so Magneto allies with the X-Men to take back Genosha and find and release those that were captured.

Here is some art from the X-Men Legends comic released with the game. I could see a blending of the X-Men Legends storyline and aspects of the AoA storyline.

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I have no problem with a Magneto who wants to take over the world. However, sending Sentinels against his own country and then against the U.S. is certainly not the way to do it. The way to do it is to build a mutant army on Genosha and try to invade to take over like he tried to do in Eve of Destruction or Civil War House of M or planned to do at the end of TAS. Sentinels are weapons of murder and destruction not conquest. What he did was simply weaken Genosha as much as he may have weakened the U.S. if his attack continued.

Magneto was willing to start a nuclear war in the TAS, kill Kelly and even ally with Apocalypse to bring back his wife. He was no weakling nice guy... he was simply a man willing to defend his people some times using extreme methods. Why I liked TAS Magneto, 616 Magneto, and HoM Mags it they set moral boundries for Magneto between that of Apocalypse and Xavier. In those versions of the character he is willing to start wars and even try to take over the world, but it doesn't mean he is capable of murdering anyone or doing anything to take over the world like Apocalypse.

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All that's just convenient writing sometime.

A different writer had Magneto saying he would kill Hitler as a baby if it meant stopping Hitler. And then Morrison had Magneto destroy New York late into his run.

For the sake of this series, Magneto performed the attack against Genosha because he felt some mutants were weak and not willing to fight. He felt an attack on Genosha would spark and light up mutants to fight for him.
 
Absolutely a FANTASTIC ending. Cyclops really redeemed himself and Emma in my book was the STAR of this whole season. I thought the Phoenix ending was brilliant and I;m so glad there will be no-more phoenix BS now its done and dusted. Emma's sacrifice actually brought a tear to my eye.She HAS TO COME BACK! Otherwise I won't watch lol I'm desperate to see more scenes with her and Jean. That would be so interesting. I loved the future episodes just as much as the present. It was nice to see Lorna joining the fight at the end to stop Master Mold. The highlight though was when Wanda kicked Magneto out of Genosha. He had it coming. I'm really excited about the age of Apocalypse now. I hope all the cast come back. With Gambit and Colossus added to the cast list. All the episodes where Wolverine had less screen time, were the ones I enjoyed the most.

I completely trust, that they will do a good job for season 2. I do however have some criticism but my biggest disappointment was how Storm was handled in this whole season. She was literally invisible. Lets hope they give her more screen time in season 2 and also toughen her up. In many ways this show triumphs over the 90's version and Evolution. But it could take some notes from both the prior shows. The 90's version had more momentum and better story fluidity. While sometimes in WAX I felt there was too much going on at once and it got a bit cloudy. Of all 3 shows, Evolution had the best character depth, character chemistry & interaction, fight sequences and character fairness. Which is something that I felt WAX was lacking in big time. As great as the stories were in WAX, every episode didn't need to be EPIC! Sometimes its good to take a moment and just BREATHE and see where your at. If season 2 can learn to do that from time to time, then theres no reason why this won't completely surpass its predecessors by a white-wash cus the writing is fantastic. All in all, things are looking good. Bring on SEASON 2!

They've at least started a bigger storyline with Storm and Archangel for the second season now that Archangel is working for Sinister and effectively Apocalypse.
 
People coming into the show named Wolverine and the X-Men and complaining about Wolvie being the lead character is dumb.

He is the most marketable character, and the character with a movie coming out, thus why hes in the title.

I like the solo Wolvie stories they have told thus far, plus his team up with Gambit, who i dont think should become part of the team atleast not in the second season. His randomness in the show adds to his appeal and his alure of this theif for hire.

Plus they have dropped hints like Vile has stated between something bigger with Angel and Storm, you dont know from the start of a season if it will be a hit or not, so why try to make every epsiode too crowded with backstories? They nicely gave each character their own story in the beginning, and then went deep into the whole X-Men vs. Brotherhood/MRD with the Prof. X future happening at the same time.
 
Thank you Jersey Joker for having some common sense about it :) , and I agree.

Also, keep in mind they are planning out another season of 26 episodes.

So just think about that, in two seasons the show will be at 52 episodes. That's equivalent to X-men Evolutions entire run of four seasons all together.
 
Magneto performed the attack against Genosha because he felt some mutants were weak and not willing to fight.

That is very Darwinian just like Apocalypse.

My point is Magneto's actions at the end are very much morally and philosophically quite like those of Apocalypse. I prefer there be a clear difference between the two main mutant antagonists of the X-Men, you may not so we are going to have to agree to disagree on that because I am not about to like a Magneto who is a monster like Apocalypse who really doesn't care about innocent humans or mutants and just wants the strong to survive.

It reminds me of the Magneto in Pryde of the X-Men who wanted to drop a comet on Earth that would mass murder billions of humans and millions of mutants... so only the strong survive. I didn't particularly like that version of the character that is Darwinian and genocidal like Apocalypse.
 
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As far as the second season following the AOA storyline. I agree that they can't keep everything exactly like the comics, it will be to confusing to viewers. They just need to take certain things from that storyline and make them fit into the animated one. But there are some of the same aspects they can use in the comic and cartoon. Xavier being dead causing the rise of Apocalypse - in the comics/ Xaiver missing (coma) causing the rise of Apocalypse. Certain hero's and villains switching sides may happen, which is already seen with him being with Sinister. Hopefully they betray Apocalypse in a great way, his dialogue in the 90's series was awsome, and hopefully the have him being very menacing and powerful. Damn I can't wait for season 2 now. There are many different stories and directions the writers can go with this cartoon.
 
Well here's the thing.

In this new alternate future, the Institute is still fully intact. Cerebro is intact, and the mansion seems to be in OK shape.

The world hasn't been broken, but rather rebuilt as a gleaming sort of futuristic world. It's not a bleak post-apocalyptic future like season 1.

So its already not quite the same as AoA from the comics.
 
You can't even come close to replicating what AoA in the comics was into only one season, barely that, cause most episodes are spent probably half in the present and half in the future.

So that leaves room for adjustments, and even fun little easter eggs to throw the fans way of stuff that happened in the comics that they REALLY can't do in the show.
 
Magneto and Apocalypse are more alike than you think so I don't think this was a stretch at all. Plus he's joined forces with Apocalypse b4. The difference is, Magneto is totally selfless while Apocalypse is not. Yes Magneto is a mutant activist but he is also believes in making sacrifices for the greater good. Rallying an attack was on his home Genosha was all about getting the weaker minded mutants to toughen up. Its not like he doesn't have purpose
 
I think this is an interesting way to go forth with an AoA like story which I didn't much care for when it was originally executed in the 1990's.

My only problem is, I would like the show to continue without the kind future imperfect prevent the evil future storylines. I hope it doesn't become a crutch for every season.

I mean so one terrible future was prevented, now they have to worry about another one. So if they potentially want to do a season 3 they prevent the Apocalypse threat or what not, but then future-Xavier chimes in, "Well boys . . . it seems Mojo cloned all of you and made X-babies in the next 15 years. They must be prevented!"
 
Magneto and Apocalypse are more alike than you think so I don't think this was a stretch at all. Plus he's joined forces with Apocalypse b4.

In the normal Marvel universe they never allied. In TAS they did, but Magneto turned on him the second it was clear to Magneto that Apoc was out to harm the innocent along with the guilty and that he had no intention of bringing back his wife. In the House of M universe Magneto allied with Apoc and they turned on each other soon thereafter when Apoc wanted to murder human beings (wounded soldiers) that were no longer a threat to mutants.

In all comic book universes Marvel has made over the years except the Ultimate Universe Apoc and Magneto are morally and philosophically quite different characters.
 
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So I've watched the entire season now... And I have to say that I totally love the last 7 or 8 episodes. It got so good. I am just very frustrated with the edits that the BBC made. Regarding that, does anyone know what all the edits were for the whole season? At least from Guardian Angel and before? I know they took out Quicksilver breaking Emma's nose and Nightcrawler getting kicked by Emma... Anything else? I love the BBC versions because they are in widescreen, but I HATE the edits they made. Does anyone know if Nicktoons is airing it in widescreen? Or if they are editing anything out? I'd check for myself but I am no longer in the US and have to BT everything... Plus, are the Nicktoons versions even available on Bittorrent?
 
I think this is an interesting way to go forth with an AoA like story which I didn't much care for when it was originally executed in the 1990's.

My only problem is, I would like the show to continue without the kind future imperfect prevent the evil future storylines. I hope it doesn't become a crutch for every season.

I mean so one terrible future was prevented, now they have to worry about another one. So if they potentially want to do a season 3 they prevent the Apocalypse threat or what not, but then future-Xavier chimes in, "Well boys . . . it seems Mojo cloned all of you and made X-babies in the next 15 years. They must be prevented!"

Yeah, i am hoping that season 2 can end by figuring out a way to get Prof. X out of that coma of his.

Cause i would really like to see Onslaught story done too.
 
That would be interesting.

JMC. Just keep something in mind. The Magneto and the Apocalypse of this series are NOT aligned as far as we know. But Sinister is working for Apocalypse.
 
Yeah, i am hoping that season 2 can end by figuring out a way to get Prof. X out of that coma of his.

Cause i would really like to see Onslaught story done too.

I agree 100%. Xavier has to awaken in season 2 and we have to get Onslaught in season 2 or season 3. Onslaught would provide the perfect explanation for how Xavier seems to be powerful enough to "time-travel" via the astral plane and remember historical events that have been erased from history.
 
In regards to the time travel telepathy that Xavier pulls off with little to no explanation, I think they totally missed a GREAT opportunity. One of Rachel Summers' powers (that is often neglected) is time-travel. That's how she ended up in the X-Men's present in the comics. And let's not forget the ORIGINAL Days of Future Past storyline, where Rachel was the one to send future "Kate" Pryde's mind into that of the present's Kitty Pryde. I always thought, that very first time that we saw the Professor in the future, after talking to Logan, when he ran out of the mansion and past all the graves of the X-Men... It would have been awesome if Rachel Summers was the one power Cerebro or even just his mind somehow, allowing him to speak to Wolverine in the past. It would have been great to see her cut the connection and say something like "We gotta get outta here!" and drag the professor away from Cerebro. And there, you have a plausible explanation for how he can telepathically talk to the X-Men in the past. AND! We get to see Rachel in animated form for the first time ever! But alas, they totally missed the boat on that one... Oh well...
 
Well I'm pretty sure Xavier said in episode 3 "The coma he's in would last another 20 years" So I doubt he's waking up anytime soon or even ever. Besides, if he wakes up then Wolverine is out of the job. And that on this show would not be allowed to happen since its all about making Wolverine look good first and others second.
 
JMC. Just keep something in mind. The Magneto and the Apocalypse of this series are NOT aligned as far as we know. But Sinister is working for Apocalypse.

I didn't say they would be... my point was I like it when the two main antagonists of the X-Men are morally and philosophically different characters. I suspect we are likely to see Mags fight Apoc. Hell, we are likely to see in the present or future the X-Men and Magneto join to fight Apoc if they are following the X-Men Legends, Age of Apocalypse, or Ages of Apocalypse storylines.
 
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Well I'm pretty sure Xavier said in episode 3 "The coma he's in would last another 20 years" So I doubt he's waking up anytime soon or even ever. Besides, if he wakes up then Wolverine is out of the job. And that on this show would not be allowed to happen since its all about making Wolverine look good first and others second.

They'll come up with something to get Xavier to wake up from the coma. They have to. I really want him to have woken up by the end of season 2.
 
Now that they have Jean on their side (since in the course of how future went, they never got to Jean in time and she caused the destruction.), i would bet she would be part of the help to get him out of the Coma.
 
Oh that would be great if that was the case. Then we might see some more mind battles. Emma, Jean & Charles on the Astral Plane. Speaking of Emma, I never got my question answered about her earlier. I always thought that when she was in her diamond form she had super strength and invunerablity, am I right?
 
Watched the last episode and while there were some things like Wolvie being unconscious for so long when he usually wakes up in less than five minutes and not showing the transition to the new future or explaining Professor’s ability to remember everything that happened, the episode was still awesome.

Emma being responsible for everything X-men went through was totally shocking :wow: And it kind of explains why she had always supported Scott even when others didn’t. Her sacrifice scene was beautifully done. And it's nice to see Scott yelling another woman's name in worry :oldrazz: I'm eagerly hoping to see her back in season 2.

And speaking of Emma scenes, the UK version cut out Emma/Wolvie dialogue scene when she’s tied up :cmad: Wolvie has his claws between her throat. Can anyone translate what they say?


Speaking of Emma, I never got my question answered about her earlier. I always thought that when she was in her diamond form she had super strength and invunerablity, am I right?

She’s as invulnerable as a diamond can be. Super strength she doesn’t have.
 
Thanks. I was knew she was invunerable but the X-Men Legends games confused me. In her diamond form they had her able to pick up cars e.t.c

Its a shame the BBC cut that scene your talking about. I would have loved to have seen that too. We'll probably have to wait another six weeks or so for the canadian version to come out.
 
Since this topic is merging opinions on the three part season finale of WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN, I may as well do a merged review; considering that episode 24 is mostly build up anyway, it seems appropriate. This is of course where everything is supposed to come together, tying up ends from the pilot and condensing them all into a whole.

In some ways, this reminded me of X-MEN 3, but before you think I am automatically claiming it is terrible, hear me out. The main flaw of X-MEN 3 is that it basically had two plots (the Dark Phoenix and The Cure) and instead of picking one or the other, chose to do both at once, and it was a bit of a mess. Rather than pick the stronger of the two plots and running full steam with that, they instead tried to accomplish too much at once with two stories that in no way tied into each other, just happened to come to a head at the same time, and it was terribly contrived. W&TXM, essentially, commits the same flaw. The plot with the Sentinels/Magneto/Master Mold basically has absolutely nothing to do with the Phoenix plot, aside for both coming to a climax at the exact same time. One does not lead to the other in any way beyond plot convenience and contrivance. And in that way it hurts both; rather than doing one plot very well, we have two plots that are less than they could have been alone. While some may have seen this coming before, there was really no way to judge this until before the climax aired, and it was just to give the show a chance.

The other problem really didn't hit me until I was about midway through episode 26 and I was thinking, "I should really care more, but I don't". I mean there's threats against the world, robots being battled, and laser beams and all that, but there seemed to be an emptiness that I couldn't shake off as I was watching the finale. It could have been because for every character involved that was decently characterized or fleshed out, there was another who was bare-bones and just there to provide a power, as they had been for about 20-25 prior episodes. An epic showdown is only epic if you know enough about the characters to truly care about whether they live or die, and W&TXM had taken so many shortcuts around "unneeded exposition" that a lot of this required backdrop for the series wasn't present, and despite it all the finale felt more hollow than it should have been. Plus, we go into Season 2 with, arguably, one of the better fleshed out characters being killed off and thus being unable to offer something unique for the next season. Throughout the show's run, the writers have usually sacrificed character depth for a spectacle, but in the end if half the characters in the show are barely sketches, I don't care as much if a Sentinel is about to step on one. Trying to do too much at once has often been a problem with some X-Men cartoons and movies, and it is a downer to realize that this show, at least this season, has committed that same flaw.

Still, the finale has a lot going for it; it ties up quite a few ends for the season thus far, there is some good action, and there are a few character bits from some of the characters who were decently fleshed over the course of the season. It simply doesn't quite feel like the sum of it's parts, which I could say for the whole season at this point, without many regrets.

Picking up right from where episode 23 left off, Emma Frost and the "Inner Circle" (they do not refer to themselves as the Hellfire Club, and technically only call themselves the Inner Circle at the end of episode 23) capture Jean Grey and apparently tuck all of the X-Men back into their rooms and even change a few of them into their default civilian garb, such as Rogue and Cyclops. The timing seemed oddly paced. Of course the X-Men are frantic to find Jean, especially Scott. Wolverine searches the grounds with his tracking powers and of course that means we get more of what has been dubbed "Smell-O-Vision". Honestly, while I didn't poke too many holes at it the first two times I saw it, I think this dynamic was handled better in HULK VS. WOLVERINE, where Wolverine sort of imagined his own flashback in a single color rather than interacting with "spirits" lingering around an area. I mean, just because Logan can smell people, vehicles, and even materials, does that mean he can smell the colors of everyone's clothes? Does smell alone tell him in what order someone entered a chopper that flies off? And I could do without Logan reacting to this stuff like he is hallucinating. Considering this hasn't been explained outside of interviews, I can imagine some viewers watching at home and wondering, "I thought Logan just smelled stuff; why is he seeing dead people?" I understand that animation is a visual medium, and the writers/producers of the show wanted to find a new way to show off Logan's tracking abilities, but I don't think this gimmick is working perfectly. It cuts down on having Logan either narrate to himself or explain some exposition, but it makes his sense of smell almost akin to THE CROW's ability to sense memories from objects, which is a bit overpowered.

Plus, what also worked about HULK VS. WOLVERINE was that Wolverine's version of the attack on the village that Dept. H sent him to investigate proved to be WRONG, showing that scent and detection skills alone aren't enough to be a prophet; he imagined the Hulk destroyed the village and attacked the civilians, when the Hulk was in fact on the run from Weapon X, and was trying to save the civilians caught in the crossfire. It says something when a 40 minute slugfest cartoon manages to have more nuance than a 26 episode series sometimes. In W&TXM, Wolverine's nose and detection skills make him virtually able to go back in time and watch an event he wasn't present for, even hearing or "imagining" grunts or lines. This is a bit much. It would be akin to Cyclops being able to magically track anyone he blasted with an optic blast recently; a bit much.

The shock of this sequence is naturally Logan discovering that Frost was involved in Jean's abduction, which was inevitable and natural. For some reason, Frost remained behind at the Mansion, despite knowing that Logan likely would have detected her involvement eventually. To her credit, after Logan throws her into his all-purpose plexiglass cage for wayward females he no longer trusts (formerly the prison of Rogue), Frost claims she was the first to awaken from the psychic attack and tried to investigate, but was too late. It isn't a bad excuse, but obviously won't fool Logan's nose, and that's dead on. This of course puts Cyclops squarely between Logan and Frost; to Logan she is a traitor, but she promises Scott that she will find Jean again, as she did before. Considering she needed to be present to aid the Club with Jean, I have no idea why Frost stuck behind, when she would have needed to leave the Mansion eventually. Is Scott really so hot that spending an extra few hours with him and risking being imprisoned by the well known hothead Wolverine is seriously worth it? Considering the stakes?

Naturally, anyone who doesn't know what is about to happen hasn't been paying attention. Of course Scott will free Frost, which he does. All he cares about is Jean. That much has been made painfully clear. Not his team, or the world, matters in his obsession with the woman.

Logan painfully reports to Future Xavier that they lost Jean to Frost, and they need a new strategy. Unfortunately the timing is terrible, as right as they are having their time travel psychic-conference call, Xavier's caves are attacked by a fleet of Sentinels, having been led there by Marrow. Alas, instead of just capturing Xavier and leaving the rest alone, the Sentinels follow their programming and try to kill or capture all of the mutants there, which somehow Marrow failed to see coming in her grief for Rover (despite the Sentinels being rather predictable with their orders against all mutants since the first future episode). Vanisher manages to escape with her, even while being disgusted by her backstabbing, while Bishop and the rest are overwhelmed and captured. Well, everyone but Hellion, who has vanished into the Hole In the Plot (TM). The Professor is soon dragged into the chamber of Master Mold, who proudly has replicated Cerebro to use him to find every mutant left on Earth. Considering there is no Genosha or X-Men left alive, there are an amazing lot of mutants left.

In the present, Logan is furious with Scott for releasing Frost, and for once manages to get some payback for all those cheap-shot optic blasts, throwing him about a hallway. Scott's only defensive plea is, "I trust her", which Logan dismisses as, "You've got stars in yer eyes, Summers!" which frankly is totally justified. Releasing Frost without any means of tracking her is poor strategy. While of course it is understandable that Scott would trust Frost, perhaps more than many of his fellow X-Men at this point, it doesn't say much for his tactical skill. It would have been cute if he had secretly placed some sort of tracting bug on Frost when he freed her, but only Wolverine is allowed to be cunning. Unfortunately, there are other pressing matters at hand. Mystique has taken Kelly's place and the Sentinels are now back up and running on a collision course with Genosha. This is all part of Magneto's plan; to destroy Genosha and blame it on humanity (which "would have attacked eventually") as a symbolic call to arms worldwide for his war against humanity. Scarlet Witch discovers the plan when Pietro outright shows it to her on his return to Genosha, and is appalled. Warning Nightcrawler about it, she is naturally and rightly against Magneto here.

Some debate has come up regarding this plan, whether it was "in character" for Magneto. Honestly, if you're looking for comic book evidence, you could easily find it. Before the Claremont era started in 1975, Magneto was a fairly typical supervillain from 1963-1970 who wasn't beneathe much. I mean he proudly led a team called "The Brotherhood of EVIL Mutants" after all. Now, Magneto is someone who always thinks "ahead" and is a "the ends justify the means" kind of figure; he is more than aware of symbolic trigger moments in history, having experienced WWII firsthand. He knows full well that the notion of the "peaceful" mutant nation of Genosha being destroyed by humanity will be the "trigger" he needs to rally mutants around him to fight, which Magneto outright admits. Perhaps this would swallow better with some if not for the prior reveals that Magneto was working with Kelly when it was convenient to work both their agendas. One also could claim Magneto had more than enough reasons to rally his figures without the Genoshan attack; Kelly had just sent Gambit to basically perform a terrorist strike against Genosha, which Gambit succeeds in doing. In the wake of 9/11, such an attack could easily have been used for Magneto's goals. At the very most, as soon as the Sentinels arrived at Genosha, Magneto could have stopped them easily, and it would have been easy to reason that he would have defended Genosha vigorously from a definite attack; instead he "lets" the Sentinels destroy Genosha practically brick-for-brick before stopping them with a nice homage of ULTIMATE X-MEN #5 I believe. Honestly, the point that was too far for me was Magneto claiming that any mutants who died by his stalling were just broken eggs, which I thought was a bit much for a figure who avoided killing even the X-Men, who always messed his plans, because he had hope of one day turning them. He won't kill the X-Men to make his life easier, but will gladly stand back and slaughter mutants already loyal to him just because they're not quite gung ho on fighting? Most illogical.

With the threat of worldwide gene war about to burst, Wolverine calls off the search for Jean to rally the X-Men to stop the Sentinels at all costs, making extra notice of this to Cyclops that "nothing else matters". Cyclops follows along and it seems clear that he is an odd man out among the team, at least from the nasty look Iceman gives him on the Blackbird. Of course, from episode 20, one could easily imagine what Iceman was thinking; "That eye-beam chump couldn't cut it five years ago, why the hell would anyone expect him to cut it now?" Unfortunately, Mystique/Kelly launches the Sentinels as soon as all 15 of them are powered up, smashing through the roof of the base and downing the Blackbird jet in a hail of giant machines, causing it to crash into the ground. While Wolverine once was able to recover quickly after falling about 20,000 feet onto the pavement within a minute or two, for dramatic effect a crash inside a jet with a seatbelt lays him out longer.

Back at the Inner Circle, Jean has been changed into a red dress and Frost cures her amnesia, before explaining that the Phoenix inside her is an entity that manifests inside potent psychics every few generations or so, feeding upon them and using their bodies to gestate before triggering worldwide chaos throughout the ages. Frost's cabal, according to her, are dedicated to finding these unlucky psychics and containing the Phoenix long enough to release it into the upper atmosphere to save the planet. The rest of her club are naturally Shaw, Selene, Pierce, and Leland, although only Selene and Shaw actually talk. The Stepford Cuckoos, or "The Cuckoos" as Shaw later calls them, are also part of the team as house psychics in ritual robes, which I thought was a nice detail. Heaven help us if Season 2 decides to use Morrison & Pak's Weapon Plus cluster**** origin for them (they're all cloned Frost babies, and are five of hundreds, basically), though. Of course, as episode 25 dawns, we learn that the rest of the Club have changed their objective; no longer wanting to release the Phoenix, they want to control it using the Cuckoo's.

Let's talk about the club. Everyone looks as they should, although with no time describing or hinting at the specifics of the members, only hardcore fans may not be confused as to their powers or natures; is Pierce a cyborg here or a mutant? Is Leland's power something different from telekenesis? Is Shaw absorbing energy used against him, or just impervious? Again, I know, but if one isn't a fan, these are very obscure figures. It also is hard for me to take them as, basically, the villains of the whole season when they've never been shown before. What I find interesting about future incarnations of the Hellfire Club as come up with in cartoons, like the 90's series, or in alternate comics like Ultimate X-Men, is that they are now defined ENTIRELY by Dark Phoenix. In the comics, they existed before that story, and have had plots after. But in the eyes of alternate media, those stories don't really matter. I might argue they have become more defined by that saga than Jean herself has been over the past 15 years in alternate media. This isn't a deal breaker, I just find it interesting; the 90's X-Men cartoon basically did the same thing, just didn't rely an entire season finale on them.

Fortunately, the show does a good job handling Frost; she doesn't come off as outright "evil" here. She was operating under the noble auspices of her organization in the past, even if her fellow compatiots weren't. This change of heart on their part was a shock to her. As they later reveal, all they intended for Frost to do was to use Cerebro after it had been rebuilt to find Jean, not join the X-Men or, essentially, to fall in love with Cyclops. This finale doesn't alter Frost's status as a tragic figure, and in fact cements it.

Let's talk about Jean. At the end of episode 20 I complained that this show had chosen to take every criticism of Cyclops' character and portray it as true; to basically choose to create a Scott who was defined by his worst and most exaggerated faults, with NONE of his strengths. In some ways they also do the same with Jean, although to be fair, she has less airtime. By that I mean, people who dismiss Jean often claim she is a boring, generic heroine defined by two things; being Scott's lover, and the Phoenix. She literally has no character beyond those two attachments to other things, a boyfriend and, essentially, Cosmic Bird-Themed PMS. I should know; I myself usually dismissed Jean with such claims; I usually find her very boring and nearly every relationship Scott has had besides her, I usually enjoy more. Yet in no other cartoon but this one is Jean LITERALLY only defined by these traits. She offers nothing else to the show's dynamic. This is of course in contrast to the last time these guys took a stab with Jean in X-MEN EVOLUTION; given more time to handle her, the Evo crew chose to make Jean a bit more assertive, more of a "Big Woman on Campus" who was a star soccer player and dated quarterback Duncan Matthews, who was basically the "Flash Thompson" of Bayville High. They also gave her a bit of Racheal's personality from FRIENDS; in that Evolution Jean seemed incapable of seeing Scott as anything remotely romantic unless someone else did, as well. She couldn't even admit he was cute unless Kitty was gushing about it. She didn't even acknowledge having feelings for him until Rogue was already crushing on him, and he was outright dating Taryn. It made their "destined" true love at least a little more interesting to watch blossum. W&TXM, by contrast, is a Cliff Notes version. Learning something like Jean literally having a psychic connection to Cyclops should be a powerful reveal; here it just serves as a means to an end, an excuse to get Frost to include him.

Wolverine naturally comes too before the other X-Men from the crash, as the MRD are arresting the X-Men and overwhelming him with sonic weapons. Frost is working with the Cuckoos to undo Xavier's "mental blocks" inside Jean's mind to unleash the Phoenix; when Jean "senses" Scott's distress, Frost deems it incredibly important to end it to get Jean stable. Selene, however, is suspicious and sees it as Frost being the one unable to handle Scott's distress. And so Emma manages to speed to the Sentinel launch site in top speed in her white porche and mentally mucks with the soldiers before freeing Cyclops and driving off with him. All Frost has to say is that she found Jean, and Cyclops has ZERO qualms about abandoning his own team to the clutches of the MRD. What a class act, that guy. How can anyone say that Cyclops was "redeemed" in this finale? He's just as obsessed and selfish as he ever was. He cares about nothing but Jean; even Frost's sacrifice at the end barely gets a wayward glance from him, because of precious Jean. Fortunately, enough of the MRD were laid out for Wolverine and Beast to free themselves and the rest of the team (except Forge, who is missing from much of this). Wolverine pursues Frost while ordering the rest of the X-Men to wait for Magneto's countermove, and defend the city accordingly. When Magneto attacks the city with his 15 Sentinels, the X-Men all leap into the fray to stop them.
 

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