Varient said:
Tsk,..You got it right in the first line,... Wrong in the second.
Racial humor only works when the subject matter is far enough away from the kernal that produces it.
We are not there yet.
We have too many who make "throw-away comments" that can offend and then expect those around them to "man up" when there is protest.
Sorry,.. I've improved in regards to casual "throw-away comments that ridicule along racial / gender lines by no longer having the urge to beat the azz of the thoughtless individual who believes that because THEY are past it,.. we all should be.
But it doesn't stop me from saying IT WASN"T FUNNY.
I'm multi racial, and I have racial slurs directed at me fairly often.
What I said was pretty benign. Slavery was a long time ago. I'm 1/4 Native American, and I'm not whining about white people slaughtering most of my ancestors.
I'm hispanic, and I don't cry about how nearly every hispanic character in television history is a ridiculous stereotype.
I'd like to see someone try and beat my ass because I'm more tolerant of ignorance than they are.
I didn't insult anyone's race, or anything of that sort.
White guilt is pretty common, and pretty stupid.
White people shouldn't put up with the double standard of racism because of something an ancestor of theirs may have done 200 years ago.
It's laughable, by any standard, when a person who's hands are clean of racism feels guilty about something they had nothing to do with.
Tell me what part of my statement justifies such harsh scrutiny.
Cap being an Aryan poster boy?
Him getting beat up by a black man ocasionally because of white guilt?
If those issues don't motivate comic storytelling, then why publish something like "TRUTH", which I happened to enjoy, but didn't see a particular reason for.
Was it because it seemed somehow odd that the symbol for American patriotism in Marvel Universe was a blond, blue eyed white man who used to fight buck toothed, slanty eyed, serpent tongued asian men?
Just about every "ehtnic" person I've spoken to on the subject agrees with me.
The only thing worse than a run of the mill racist is an uber-politically correct zealot, who feels the need to reprimand people for making benign statements like the one above.
Varient said:
Back on topic:
Wolverine is overrated,
Spiderman is artificially underpowered to make better stories,
And a fight between the two of them is all about motive.
look at the Spiderman / Hulk fight and the Wolverine / Hulk fights for reference. Spiderman is pulling up and smacking the hulk with train tracks,...
You don't see this when fighting feebs like wolverine.
Give him a reason other than irritation and Spiderman will Beat wolverine everytime.
(Chuckle) Wolverine Dodge bullets? The fastest I've seen him move is to slice a trank dart out of the air with his claws.
(sigh,.. I'm not even a spidey fan,.....)
Spider-man is very fast, but he's not 10 times faster than Wolverine.
I'd say he's 2 to 3 times faster, at best.
Spider-man's
agility and reflexes are the reason he can dodge bullets, and
only when the shooter is far enough away.
Spider-man isn't Neo. I don't give a **** what it looked like in the movie.
In continuity, he's been punched by regular speed human beings
countless times.
Wolverine is overrated, huh?
As a guy who consistently reads Wolverine, and many comics he regularly appears in, I've never seen an overrated character get humiliated so regularly.
He's constantly the butt of jokes, and gets slapped around by everybody and their grandmother.
He pulls it together when he needs to, though, and can take down bad guys far out of his strength and speed league, because he soaks up damage like a sponge.
He has indeed dodged bullets, and when I can think of specific issues, I'll post them. I've read too many to pull them right out.
You don't get to pit optimum, fanboy enhanced, continuity ignoring Spider-man against Garth Ennis's version of Wolverine, or the poorly written tripe in Secret Wars.
Wolverine, in his own book, has done things that I don't believe Spider-man as most consistently characterized in the comics would be capable of.
Wolverine has taken hard punches from Hulk, and stayed very concious.
Hulk is as fast as Spider-man, according to Marvel, and his base strength is 100 tons.
Even at a 10th of his baseline power, his punches are 10 times harder than Spider-man's top punches.
Wolverine has been rag-dolled so harshly by Hulk, nothing Spider-man could do hand to hand would compare.
Wolverine has taken Spider-man's strongest punches, in the Wolverine Vs Spider-man comic written by Jim Owlsley(Christopher Priest) in the 80s.
Spider-man was thinking to himself about how Wolverine was grinning through the fight, just rolling with it.
There are far more instances of Wolverine staying concious after devastating blows, or popping right back up after them, than there are of him being knocked out.
Wolverine has been thrown through so many walls, fallen off of so many buildings, and survived so many other ridiculous things, that the K.O. punch thing is a joke.
I've been in dozens of fights, and I've been knocked straight to the floor with some punches. That didn't stop me from shaking it off, and jumping right back on the bastard.
It ain't over till someone has stopped moving.
You don't need to be a Spider-man fan to be biased.
You just have to be ignorant of Wolverine's history in his own book.
I don't think Wolverine could take down Spider-man everytime, but I think he has a good shot.
Like I said, when Spider-man all of a sudden starts tearing people's arms off, and getting ruthless, I'll believe he can really hurt Wolverine.
He has the ability, but not the mindset to use it.
Maybe if Wolverine knocked up Mary Jane behind his back, or something.
He'd have to go into the fight determined to take Wolverine down, hard.
If he went into the fight the way he always does, making jokes, there's a good chance he'll lose some anatomy.
