Wonder Woman Rotten Tomatoes Prediction Thread

[Legendver2]

Sure is an interesting week lol

 

[Zero_Effect]

Who is this Traverse guy and why do you all care what he says.

If only you had a way to find out...

 

[Lighthouse]

90% of critics saying "It's alright" for one movie vs. 60% of critics saying "It's one of the best film in years". Which is the better film? The former has the higher Tomato score, but doesn't mean the film is "better". That's the thing the public doesn't really get with RT.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

I don't see that as mitigating "any" of the performances.

The mitigating comes in when you say it all comes from the director and the script and act like it isn't coming from her. No matter what you or anyone else thinks of bvs and her performance in it, Gal is lauded for being the best part of that movie. A movie that gets trashed for its script and director.

 

[Legendver2]

90% of critics saying "It's alright" for one movie vs. 60% of critics saying "It's one of the best film in years". Which is the better film? The former has the higher Tomato score, but doesn't mean the film is "better". That's the thing the public doesn't really get with RT.

Bruh (or sis), you deserve an award for that.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

As for being groundbreaking in the sense of having a female director get this kind of budget, that's not really groundbreaking in the sense that necessarily creates a movie that's groundbreaking as a movie. That's more breaking grounds in the industry rather than in the art sense.

I'm not saying that it can't be the latter as well, but it's far from a given.

What is this semantics?
Yes, it is groundbreaking and especially groundbreaking if it does what most think it will do at the boxoffice.

 

[Iceman]

That's too optimistic.

TDK is 94% and 8.6 score.

On the Tomatometer percentage front a film like TDK will never get 100% because it has some controversial elements like being too violent for its rating that guarantees at least a few negatives. Being non-controversial and an all-round decent film (but not necessarily spectacular) in all areas is what you need to target the highest echelons of the percentage, which is why Toy Story has 100% nearly across the whole trilogy. WW might fit that category given the wording of many reviews so far but we'll have to wait and see.

TDK's excellence (and best of genre level) in many areas helps it get that extremely high average rating but that isn't needed when targeting just a high Tomatometer. In other words, although WW is very likely to drop in percentage, there is no reason that it automatically has to. It's average, which is the better measure of greatness, will still be miles away from TDK.

 

[Erzengel]

Or the average score could go up and the % stays the same. What's the point of telling someone not to be 'too optimistic' when you know just as much as they do.

Well when you've seen it happen a few times over the past few years?

Civil War started off at 60-1.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

Well when you've seen it happen a few times over the past few years?

Civil War started off at 60-1.

And? new things happen every day.

 

[Ivan Drago]

You don't always know for sure with RT.

At one point Ant-Man was at 65% then managed to climb to 81% (which I don't agree with but that's beside the point).

 

[Erzengel]

Ta da?

 

[StormC]

And? new things happen every day.

All it means is to keep expectations in check and not be disappointed in the likely event when the percentage drops based on evidence we have from movies in the past.

You're making this more complicated than it has to be.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

Travers seems to have forgotten the combat scenes just after Steve arrived in his complaints that the action took too long to get started. It is weird to see a critic complain about a story taking the time develop its characters and setting instead of going full tilt into action scenes.

Yeah, that was a weird complaint to me too. Guess I'll just have to wait and see the film, but this doesn't sound like anything that would bother me.

 

[Legendver2]

All it means is to keep expectations in check and not be disappointed in the likely event when the percentage drops based on evidence we have from movies in the past.

You're making this more complicated than it has to be.

As a DC fan, I think wherever this drops to that's above 80% should be a godsend already. Granted I could care less about RT scores (loved MoS and BvSUC), the score itself does help stop the bleeding of having to defend the DCEU as a whole every other day on these boards.

 

[StormC]

Oh hey, they changed the poster on RT.

Much better.

 

[Erzengel]

Which is the issue of a lot of Origin stories. People want characters to just start having super powers or start being the superhero right in the beginning. They don't want a build up. Which is why we have so many CBM sequels that are looked at more favorably among fans.

 

[macphisto96]

On the Tomatometer percentage front a film like TDK will never get 100% because it has some controversial elements like being too violent for its rating that guarantees at least a few negatives. Being non-controversial and an all-round decent film (but not necessarily spectacular) in all areas is what you need to target the highest echelons of the percentage, which is why Toy Story has 100% nearly across the whole trilogy. WW might fit that category given the wording of many reviews so far but we'll have to wait and see.

TDK's excellence (and best of genre level) in many areas helps it get that extremely high average rating but that isn't needed when targeting just a high Tomatometer. In other words, although WW is very likely to drop in percentage, there is no reason that it automatically has to. It's average, which is the better measure of greatness, will still be miles away from TDK.

Right now WW sits at Iron Man's average of 7.7 out of 10 and Iron Man shares the 94% Fresh rating that TDK has, but sits well below the 8.6 out of 10 average.

From all I've read, I think Iron Man may be the best comparison. The original Superman was 8/10 with a lot fewer RT reviews, but that's another good comparison.

I can see WW staying in the low to mid 90s with a 7.7ish average rating.

 

[Mjölnir]

What is this semantics?
Yes, it is groundbreaking and especially groundbreaking if it does what most think it will do at the boxoffice.

It's not semantics, it's a relevant part of the discussion.

A good superhero movie generally brings in a ton of money at the BO these days, so it doesn't require a groundbreaking movie to do that. Therefor this might be breaking grounds in the business, but it doesn't mean that women just make very different movies than men (which in turn means that they shouldn't be distrusted as much as they have been with things like these).

And this is the RT thread so groundbreaking should be talked about in the sense of reviews. That a woman is in the director's chair shouldn't change reviews as that doesn't change what the movie is, it should be judged on it's own. So the good reviews this far should be because this is a good movie.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

All it means is to keep expectations in check and not be disappointed in the likely event when the percentage drops based on evidence we have from movies in the past.

You're making this more complicated than it has to be.

It means you think what you want and don't really need to tell someone what to do with their expectations. I'm saying it will or won't drop, just that we can all just wait and see

 

[Wanda Detroit]

It's not semantics, it's a relevant part of the discussion.

A good superhero movie generally brings in a ton of money at the BO these days, so it doesn't require a groundbreaking movie to do that. Therefor this might be breaking grounds in the business, but it doesn't mean that women just make very different movies than men (which in turn means that they shouldn't be distrusted as much as they have been with things like these).

And this is the RT thread so groundbreaking should be talked about in the sense of reviews. That a woman is in the director's chair shouldn't change reviews as that doesn't change what the movie is, it should be judged on it's own. So the good reviews this far should be because this is a good movie.

All I said that it was groundbreaking. You admit that it is groundbreaking but equivocate about what type of groundbreaking it is. It sounds like mental gymnastics to me but okay.

 

[StormC]

I just realized that if this thing stays above 92%, it'll have the highest comic book/superhero Tomatometer since the one-two of Iron Man and The Dark Knight in 2008 (both at 94%). Nothing since those movies has passed 92%.

 

[DeadPresident]

Iron Man is probably my favorite/second favorite from the MCU, if WW hit that kind of quality that's a home run. It's pretty disingenuous of people to start talking it down like 85%+/7.5/10+ for WW isn't spectacular, especially if we go back into this topic and look at what people predicted and said they'd consider good before all this positive buzz came out.

 

[Mjölnir]

All I said that it was groundbreaking. You admit that it is groundbreaking but equivocate about what type of groundbreaking it is. It sounds like mental gymnastics to me but okay.

I didn't directly address you with my statement, as seen by my lack of quote. I just made a comment relating to the discussion and RT.

You can choose to see it however you want, but it sounds like you're trying to insinuate that I'm being negative about the movie, despite only writing positive things.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Me too.

Me three! Whoda thunk it?

 

[Mjölnir]

Iron Man is probably my favorite/second favorite from the MCU, if WW hit that kind of quality that's a home run. It's pretty disingenuous of people to start talking it down like 85%+/7.5/10+ for WW isn't spectacular, especially if we go back into this topic and look at what people predicted and said they'd consider good before all this positive buzz came out.

Yes, and I'll say my opinion again; everything above 80% is great, or perhaps better yet, everything certified fresh is great. This is such a rough tool so sitting and comparing percentages here and there within that is pretty pointless. That's imo way beyond the line where personal reflection should have overtaken the discussion (critics don't decide what's good or bad, they just give recommendations and we all decide for ourselves), although we of course can't do that about WW yet.