Wonder Woman Script

[Micromind]

Oh I totally agree. 1000%. That was just my idea to keep it somewhat influenced but still have the gods.
Call me crazy,but I love how the gods play a big role in Diana's life. I like that she was granted the gift of speed and flight from Hermes. Her lasso made from the reminders of Gaeas golden girdle. Her bracelets from reminents of Athena's shield.

Sure, it will probably be harder to explain, but I'm sure there is a way to do so

I have read your previous posts, since you do care about how the character should be presented on screen, I strongly suggest that you read Vadakins's ideas on Wonder Woman. here -

http://voicesfromkrypton.net/if-i-was-making-wonder-woman/

 

[jaymes_e06]

You're making it out as if the entire DC is just something that just needs to be solved in order for it to be like it is in the comics. Sometimes the simplest solution is in fact the best. Lazy? It's a solutions to a difficult problem, that's not lazy, that's smart thinking, it ties everything together. It isn't just a matter of A+B=C, if anything what some people advocate is the far more difficult option to accomplish. And seriously, Harry Potter? C'mon man, Potter was pure fantasy.

It's absolutely lazy.
It's not to satisfy the heart of the character just to make her different to satisfy a producers hard on to dumb WWs mythology down because the studio doesn't think there audience is intelligent enough to pick up on different ideologies converging in one universe.

You misunderstand. I said relatively realistic world. Perhaps Constantine the film is more in the tow with what I mean.

 

[Matt.S99]

I have read your previous posts, since you do care about how the character should be presented on screen, I strongly suggest that you read Vadakins's ideas on Wonder Woman. here -

http://voicesfromkrypton.net/if-i-was-making-wonder-woman/

i read a very summarized version and I like it. I'll definitely have to read the detailed version.

Edit: just read it. And I want to be best friends with this person and be the costume designer for his amazing movie.
Only thing I don't agree on is Circe just as a secondary villain. I think she has a lot of potential as a main villain.

 

[Shikamaru]

Ah, there's a great big difference, whilst Iron Man is the most grounded of the Marvel films it's still very much a neutral world he lives in. Yes, IM1 was inspired by Batman Begins, and yes it is the most grounded of the MCU films, but it was never trying to present itself in he same way Begins was as being something of this world. It always had both feet planted in the superhero genre which is why expanding to other characters was easy. The MCU has never tried to be of this world, it's focus has always been on the characters not the effects they have on the world.

I need a better explanation of how Iron Man remains neutral while MOS is too much set in the real world. Iron Man (and the rest of the MCU) went as far as to establish real people, real politicians, and real life issues (i.e. terrorism) as present in the universe. MOS has yet to do such thing. If anything, the MCU is much more like the real world at the moment due to that. The only difference is that the MCU has generally a lighter tone, giving off the impression that it is more realistic than it really is.

The only realistic thing about MOS - other than establishing that real-life companies/convenience stores like IHOP and 7-Eleven exist (which Marvel did too) - is the way the general public reacts to superhumans existing. Even that isn't fully realistic either. Superman gained the trust of the military pretty fast compared to what would have been the case in real life. I doubt the government would wiretap phones to look for his secret identity (which is what would happen if Clark Kent was real) and although people may fear Superman to an extent, he will gain people's trusts far faster than he would in real life. Thus even the most realistic thing about MOS is toned down in comparison to real life.

To answer one of your questions, can I picture magic existing in The Terminator? No, because the Terminator is a sci-fi film. However, I can maybe see it (if executed properly) in a crossover film between the Terminator and a more fantasy character. In the same way, I don't expect WW in MOS because MOS is a Superman film and there is no room for WW for magic elements to be part of the story. However, I can see magic existing in a crossover film between Superman and Wonder Woman such as JL.

Look at this this way. We live in a very science-driven age and the vast majority of the human population still believes in a God or Gods. This means that most people can see science and magic co-existing in the real world. If people can accept them to co-exist in the real world, why would most people not accept them to co-exist in a fictional universe that does not have to be bound by reality?

 

[Lord]

Man of Steel wasn't really done in the tone of Nolan's Batman trilogy in my opinion. It aped the visual aesthetic at some points (but was wholly Snyder), and kind of borrowed the non-linear narrative origin from Begins. But other than that, I thought tonally it was on the other end of the spectrum. Goyer even went out of his way to exclaim they he was explicitly not trying approach Superman the way he did Batman.

Really? To me it felt more like Abrams than Snyder, it actually looked like a weird chimera of Nolan and J.J. Abrams with Snyder here and there

 

[ThePhantasm]

So this guy said WB was actively focused on a Flash film and sure enough, the LA Times reports a Flash film potentially being released in 2016...

 

[Plasmaniac]

Long time lurker, first time poster here; and I agree with the contingent of those in favour of a magical, champion of the Amazons as opposed to being mutated from Kryptonian bacteria. To me, that sounds so convoluted and unnecessary.

The GA won't even care if this supposed real world of MoS all of a sudden has magic. In fact, you can keep Diana's entire lineage intact without a single mention of the word. Everybody has heard of Greek myth, akin to how people are familiar with the idea of extraterrestrials. If a Man of Steel answers the question "What if we weren't alone in the universe?", in the same way a Wonder Woman can answer the question "What if the Greek myths were true?" Hell, if an alien landed on this planet tomorrow, it would change the way we look at life and broaden our minds to where we would ask "what else is true that we might have previously dismissed as BS?"

I believe the real world setting of MoS does restrict the possibility of a wider shared universe, but only if you look at the surface of the whole deal. If, however, you're willing to look at MoS as the beginning of a massive in-universe paradigm shift, then all bets are off. In fact, WB have the chance to do something very special with a DCMU if they consider it from this angle: a entire series of films that collectively answer a very simple question, "what if the world as we knew it was a complete lie?"

(Sorry if my ideas seem all over the place, it's because I'm using a tablet so I can't comfortably edit and flesh out what I'm trying to say. )

 

[Lord]

Perhaps the sequel will be lighter.

This is quite interesting. MS movies are criticised by some for being "campy, corny, popcorn movies with little depth" and MOS is already being criticised for being "dark, gritty and humourless". Not that I agree with any of these criticisms but maybe this difference in tone between the movies of the two companies is a good thing.

The film should be in the middle ground, Unfortunatelly none of those films were.

 

[Plasmaniac]

Double Post

 

[Lord]

Crossing genres in live-action is harder than in comics indeed, but not impossible or even close to it. Marvel essentially did the same thing and managed to pull it off. For the most part, Iron Man focuses solely on the tech side of the Marvel universe with zero focus on the rest. Favreau even stated that Iron Man's realism was inspired by Batman Begins' realism, and even incorporated a lot of real life issues such as terrorism to give it more of a real feel. Sure that the MCU toned down Thor's mythos to an extent (which they seem to be fixing with The Avengers and Thor: TDW) but ultimately, everything fit in well for the most part.

Also, MoS was not trying to expand on the DCU outside of small cameos to WE and things of that nature. What it mainly does is expanding the Superman mythos. The Batman films will expand the Batman mythos, the WW films will expand the WW mythos, the GL films will expand the GL mythos, etc. Obviously that the concept of magic won't be alluded to in MoS due to that. I prefer things to be this way. I was never fond of the way Marvel turned most of their solo films into Avengers promos as opposed to letting them stand on their own.

You should work at WB

 

[jd23]

Hey guys--
Was sifting through thread. Don't seem to be any other questions, so unless there are some I may leave the thread. Let me know.

And for those of you who didnt trust me on the Flash and Green Lantern front(although I completely understand the skepticism. It IS weird that I'm sharing this and the internet IS a cyber-wild west), here's an article Indiewire: http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...or-2016-justice-league-film-for-2017-20130720

Cheers!

 

[Lord]

Hey guys--
Was sifting through thread. Don't seem to be any other questions, so unless there are some I may leave the thread. Let me know.

And for those of you who didnt trust me on the Flash and Green Lantern front(although I completely understand the skepticism. It IS weird that I'm sharing this and the internet IS a cyber-wild west), here's an article Indiewire: http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...or-2016-justice-league-film-for-2017-20130720

Cheers!

Keep giving us that kind of information please, as fans we apreciate it, as long as it doesn't get you into problems of course

 

[jd23]

Keep giving us that kind of information please, as fans we apreciate it, as long as it doesn't get you into problems of course

Haha, OK. I'll come back occasionally to see if anyone has questions. Just quote me and I'll find it.

 

[Lord]

Haha, OK. I'll come back occasionally to see if anyone has questions. Just quote me and I'll find it.

By the way, what more can you tell us about DC and their plans with the other properties? Are they planing on rebooting Green Lantern or using a different lantern for example?

 

[jd23]

By the way, what more can you tell us about DC and their plans with the other properties? Are they planing on rebooting Green Lantern or using a different lantern for example?

I don't hve any particular insider information about DC, but I know Ryan Reynolds is still playing Green lantern as these films are meant to be sequels, which is interesting because I know he's been attached to a Deadpool script for 2016.

 

[Lord]

I don't hve any particular insider information about DC, but I know Ryan Reynolds is still playing Deadpool as these films are meant to be sequels, which is interesting because I know he's been attached to a Deadpool script for 2016.

Deadpool or Green Lantern?

 

[jd23]

Deadpool or Green Lantern?

Sorry, meant to say Green Lantern, but he's ATTACHED to a deadpool script as well, which is weird. I think Flash and JL will come before WW or Green Lantern.

 

[jd23]

So I've read through this thread and I'm not gonna lie, whether any of this is true or not (no offence to jd23 but this is the internet), I'm actually quite ok with what I've read about this supposed WW script. The reason being is that Man of Steels world is essentially a sci-fi world more than a superhero world, and the biggest issue I had with that world was it's inability to expand beyond that genre to incorporate characters like WW, FL, AQM etc, these changes to the characters' back story using Krypton as a foundation actually work in the context of that sci-fi world. I always wanted a Greek Mythology based WW film, but that was only going to work if she had her own universe to play off of. Given the cards MoS dealt the entire pantheon of DC heroes these changes I've read not only make sense, but they're alterations I kinda have to tip my hat towards because they've managed to navigate a very difficult track. Krypton being the catalyst for accretion in the DC universe is something that not only can I live with, I find it kinda brilliant.

JMC, I love your take on all this.

 

[113]

JMC, I love your take on all this.

Agreed. JMC has a level headed reaction to this. If I'm a die-hard WW fan then maybe I'm upset, but I really think us comic book fans, in general, need to stop with the religious devotion to canon.

I've always been a huge, diehard, Superman fan and I remember when the leaks of the MoS story came out I was debating with other Superman fans the merits of the movie. I didn't mind, at all, the changes that were made to his backstory as long as the core character was still there, which he was.

Same with WW. They could change her story to a princess from Pluto, but as long as they kept the core character, it wouldn't matter.

I think the script details you presented sound pretty good. Perfect? No, but what is?

 

[jmc]

I need a better explanation of how Iron Man remains neutral while MOS is too much set in the real world. Iron Man (and the rest of the MCU) went as far as to establish real people, real politicians, and real life issues (i.e. terrorism) as present in the universe. MOS has yet to do such thing. If anything, the MCU is much more like the real world at the moment due to that. The only difference is that the MCU has generally a lighter tone, giving off the impression that it is more realistic than it really is.

The only realistic thing about MOS - other than establishing that real-life companies/convenience stores like IHOP and 7-Eleven exist (which Marvel did too) - is the way the general public reacts to superhumans existing. Even that isn't fully realistic either. Superman gained the trust of the military pretty fast compared to what would have been the case in real life. I doubt the government would wiretap phones to look for his secret identity (which is what would happen if Clark Kent was real) and although people may fear Superman to an extent, he will gain people's trusts far faster than he would in real life. Thus even the most realistic thing about MOS is toned down in comparison to real life.

To answer one of your questions, can I picture magic existing in The Terminator? No, because the Terminator is a sci-fi film. However, I can maybe see it (if executed properly) in a crossover film between the Terminator and a more fantasy character. In the same way, I don't expect WW in MOS because MOS is a Superman film and there is no room for WW for magic elements to be part of the story. However, I can see magic existing in a crossover film between Superman and Wonder Woman such as JL.

Look at this this way. We live in a very science-driven age and the vast majority of the human population still believes in a God or Gods. This means that most people can see science and magic co-existing in the real world. If people can accept them to co-exist in the real world, why would most people not accept them to co-exist in a fictional universe that does not have to be bound by reality?

Mate, I've pointed this out already but I'll do it again. Marvel's world is neutral in that it's not deliberately trying to set itself in any particular type of world. The reason - so expansion to other characters is easier. Marvel's universe has very much got one foot in the pure superhero world at all times in each film whilst the other foot slides in and out of other film genres. Enough to give some diversity, but stable enough so it all feels interconnected. MoS has both feet firmly planted in a particular world. It's a sci-fi movie and many sci-fi movies try to establish themselves as being an extension of real life. MoS tries to do exactly that - the psychological reaction to everyone in this movie, the logical response from the military, the imagery evoking scenes of September 11, there's a great deal of focus on regular people to the events transpiring which, if it were to happen, you'd have to agree is a likely reaction. Not so much in the Marvel films, no one really seems to bat an eyelid about all the happenings in those film because it's suppose to be escapism, you add on to that things like the Helicarrier and you've just removed yourself further into pure superhero territory. The issue is you're not looking at Man of Steel through the lens of it being a sci-fi movie, because at it's core that's what MoS is, it's a sci-fi movie not a superhero movie, Kal-El isn't a superhero, he's an alien pure and simple, in fact I don't recall a Superman story where so much emphasis was placed on telling us he wasn't of this world. In regards to saying people believe science and magic exist there's a fundamental difference - science can back up its claims. No matter how much people may believe in gods and magic there's never been one shred of evidence shown that either exists which is the reality of our world.

 

[Lord]

I don't think The Man of Steel's changes were ever as big as the ones being made in Wonder Woman, in fact The Man of Steel failed more as a film than as a superman adaptation. But this is droping a characters mythos, something that is as important as the character itself, that's like not making Superman an alien, or making Batman a true mutant Bat-Man.

In this case you're droping a franchise's mythology in favor of another one's just to market it better, it's a disservice to the character and her series, and the thing is that i'm not even a die-hard Wonder Woman fan, i only know her basis and how she was in the golden age, and only read some issues of the post-52 stuff.

This is taking Jason Borne and turning him into James Bond's son just to do a crossover with them, or turning Jason into a mutant to tie into The Cabin in the Woods

 

[jd23]

Agreed. JMC has a level headed reaction to this. If I'm a die-hard WW fan then maybe I'm upset, but I really think us comic book fans, in general, need to stop with the religious devotion to canon.

I've always been a huge, diehard, Superman fan and I remember when the leaks of the MoS story came out I was debating with other Superman fans the merits of the movie. I didn't mind, at all, the changes that were made to his backstory as long as the core character was still there, which he was.

Same with WW. They could change her story to a princess from Pluto, but as long as they kept the core character, it wouldn't matter.

I think the script details you presented sound pretty good. Perfect? No, but what is?

Thanks! The way I saw it was that it could've been butchered a lot more, and no, they weren't particularly true to Mythos, but with regards to character it seemed pretty loyal.

 

[Matt.S99]

Agreed. JMC has a level headed reaction to this. If I'm a die-hard WW fan then maybe I'm upset, but I really think us comic book fans, in general, need to stop with the religious devotion to canon.

I've always been a huge, diehard, Superman fan and I remember when the leaks of the MoS story came out I was debating with other Superman fans the merits of the movie. I didn't mind, at all, the changes that were made to his backstory as long as the core character was still there, which he was.

Same with WW. They could change her story to a princess from Pluto, but as long as they kept the core character, it wouldn't matter.

I think the script details you presented sound pretty good. Perfect? No, but what is?

I am... and I am.

 

[jmc]

I don't think The Man of Steel's changes were ever as big as the ones being made in Wonder Woman, in fact The Man of Steel failed more as a film than as a superman adaptation. But this is droping a characters mythos, something that is as important as the character itself, that's like not making Superman an alien, or making Batman a true mutant Bat-Man.

In this case you're droping a franchise's mythology in favor of another one's just to market it better, it's a disservice to the character and her series, and the thing is that i'm not even a die-hard Wonder Woman fan, i only know her basis and how she was in the golden age, and only read some issues of the post-52 stuff.

This is taking Jason Borne and turning him into James Bond's son just to do a crossover with them, or turning Jason into a mutant to tie into The Cabin in the Woods

Again though, everything we've read from this alleged script seems to keep a large portion of the characters back story firmly in tact, the only thing that seems to really change is who creates her. Honestly people are making out like it's a change that's going to fundamentally change the character. It's not a disservice, if anything a disservice is trying to enforce elements from the characters' mythology into a world where it doesn't fit.

 

[Lord]

Krypton bacteria don't fit into the world of Gods and Magic of Wonder Woman, it ends up making WW look like a Superman spin-off