Wonder Woman vs the Dark Knight

Wonder Woman vs TDK

  • TDK is the better film

  • Wonder Woman is the better film

  • They are equally good

  • They are so different that comparison is meaningless

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The Dark Knight and it is not even close.

Wonder Woman is great. The Dark Knight is one of the great American films of all time. Period. The only superhero movie that has ever risked coming close is Logan nearly 10 years later. And even then it is still not in the same ballpark.
 
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Boom said:
The Dark Knight Rises gets way too much flak within the fan community, in my opinion. Despite its flaws, I'd easily rank it among the MCU's best.
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Better than all. No reason to beat around the bush. ;)
 
BatLobsterRises said:
It's honestly a bit unfair and tiresome to always compare every well-received superhero movie that comes out to TDK.
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Not only is it unfair and tiresome, it's completely pointless and unnecessary. But CBM fans loveeee dick-measuring contests of their favorite movies.

Also, Wonder Woman has been out for a week.
 
The Shape said:
Not only is it unfair and tiresome, it's completely pointless and unnecessary. But CBM fans loveeee dick-measuring contests of their favorite movies.

Also, Wonder Woman has been out for a week.
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Respectfully disagree.

Respectfully disagree

TDK is the yardstick by which all superhero films (I say superhero films, not just cbms in general) are measured.

For that reason alone it's worth making comparisons between contemporary films and TDK - which has aged very gracefully, being 9 years old.

When somebody makes a superhero film that critics and fans agree is of the same quality as TDK, then that's something to talk about.

The early buzz on WW suggested it might be that film - I think it falls short by a reasonable margin, it's still great and as good as any Marvel origin film, bar Iron Man - but it ain't quite TDK IMO.

If you find that tiresome, well fair enough.
 
LOL people really overrating TDK. It's nowhere close to being one of the best films of all time and it certainly doesn't belong in the same conversation as something like The Godfather.

It's not even better than Heat which is largely the movie that inspired it.
 
Skrilla31 said:
LOL people really overrating TDK. It's nowhere close to being one of the best films of all time and it certainly doesn't belong in the same conversation as something like The Godfather.

It's not even better than Heat which is largely the movie that inspired it.
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I think TDK is overrated, but great.

As far as Wonder Woman goes, I like Gadot's Wonder Woman over Bale's Batman-but TDK has a denser and more thrilling plot and more thematic richness.

I will say this, no offense to Wally Pfister, I think Wonder Woman has the best visuals in the genre. Very colorful and expansive/wide.

But TDK had a masterful villain and was legitimately thought provoking. Do I think it's as good as Lord of The Rings? Heck no.

I don't even think TDK is as good as Mask of the Phantasm, but as far as live action adaptations-it's still the prime example of what a comic book can be in terms of thematic richness and plotting.

Watchmen could have taken that spot, but questionable casting/direction for two of the main characters and self-indulgent violence hold it back.

So where does Wonder Woman lie? I'd put it ahead of Captain America (First Avenger) and Thor and behind Begins in terms of overall execution.

But Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman is arguably DC's most endearing superhero since Chris Reeve.

That's why Jenkins should do a Superman movie. She's a fan of the character, and seems to understand the difference between character-oriented action and bombastic violence.

Wonder Woman has the typical problem of a thin narrative, but makes up for it with a lot of sincerity and heart.

With a Nolan level of plot dynamics and a Jenkins level of character, who knows how good the superhero genre can become?
 
Skrilla31 said:
LOL people really overrating TDK. It's nowhere close to being one of the best films of all time and it certainly doesn't belong in the same conversation as something like The Godfather.

It's not even better than Heat which is largely the movie that inspired it.
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Ummmmm.....respectfully disagree, and I'm far from alone:

http://www.jhunewsletter.com/2012/11/29/dark-knight-arguably-the-best-movie-ever-54420/

http://nerdist.com/the-dark-knight-will-always-be-the-standard-for-superhero-movies/

http://whatculture.com/film/10-reasons-the-dark-knight-is-still-the-best-comic-book-movie-ever

http://www.imdb.com/chart/top

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/godfather-voted-greatest-film-top-10588627

I could continue posting links to articles that suggest that TDK is a great film full stop - but of course these are all just opinions.

Personally, I think the Toy Story films are horribly overrated - but what do I know ?
 
Is it as good as The Dark Knight? No. But in my opinion it's pretty close. I enjoyed Wonder Woman and its certainly in my top 10, as you can see by my signature. I do think if they keep up the quality and improve on things from the first film that the sequel (WW2) has the potential to surpass TDK. Only time will tell if it does.
 
difficult to compare cause ww and tdk do quite different things
 
 
The Batman said:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/100-best-films-ever-hollywood-favorites-818512

That list was made from a survey of people who actually work in Hollywood. TDK was 57 on the list.
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Wow a survey, really?

From 'people that work in hollywood'? What should that even mean?

Airplane and Ghostbusters are also on the list. Are these cult classic genre flicks or are they all time great movies?

I wonder how many oscar nominated films got passed up in favor of GHOSTBUSTERS.
 
Here's the thing. "Oscar films" were only deemed as such by people who voted with their opinions. In other words, the Academy Awards are opinion-based too. It's really not much different than surveys and polls and other means of gathering a consensus. It is impossible to provide a factual list of the best movies ever made. It's all subjective. All we have are opinions.

So I'm not quite sure why TDK popping up on various "Best of All Time" lists is so ridiculous. It was a cultural phenomenon that yielded one of the greatest cinematic villains of all time, and is a very impressive film on almost every technical level. It will be remembered by the masses forever. Can't say the same thing about a film like Crash, for instance. You know, the 2005 Best Picture winner.

I would also absolutely put Ghostbusters on a "Best of All Time" list. It honestly depends on what your criteria is, exactly.
 
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Boom said:
Here's the thing, Oscar-nominated films were deemed as such by people who voted with their opinion. In other words, the Academy Awards are opinion-based too. It is impossible to provide a factual list of the best movies ever made. It's all subjective.

So I'm not quite sure why TDK popping up on various "Best of All Time" lists is so ridiculous. It was a cultural phenomenon that yielded one of the greatest cinematic villains of all time, and is a very impressive film on almost every technical level. It will be remembered for a long, long time.

Can't say the same about a film like Crash, for instance. You know, the 2005 Best Picture winner.
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Fine it was a cultural phenomenon, doesn't mean it's one of the best films of all time.
 
And there are plenty who disagree.

Why is a film like Star Wars considered an all-timer? It had ground-breaking special effects at the time, but in terms of scripting, directing, and acting, there are hundreds if not thousands of films that have yielded stronger results. It has certainly been surpassed in terms of special effects. But we again go back to the cultural impact that Star Wars had.

It's not just about breaking a film down to its technical levels. How does the film resonate? How does it stand the test of time? What impact did it have on both the industry as a whole and the movie-going masses? Those questions need to be asked as well when considering the best of all time.

But if we are going to break it down on a technical level: In addition to being the aforementioned cultural phenomenon, TDK was nominated for eight Academy Awards, and its omission from Best Picture led to the expansion of that category. It was nominated for screenplay by the WGA, it was nominated for picture by the PGA, and Nolan was nominated by the DGA. It won the majority of the film critic awards it was nominated for (45 of 67 to be exact).

So a cultural phenomenon and a prestigious, heavily-awarded film at that. Filmmakers loved it, critics loved it, audiences loved it. Yeah, I'd say it's worthy of being included in the conversation.
 
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Skrilla31 said:
Wow a survey, really?

From 'people that work in hollywood'? What should that even mean?

Airplane and Ghostbusters are also on the list. Are these cult classic genre flicks or are they all time great movies?

I wonder how many oscar nominated films got passed up in favor of GHOSTBUSTERS.
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Oh. I see. Only Dramatic Oscar bait can be considered among the greatest films of all time.

And I guess we can discount the opinions of a group of people who actually work in the film industry and know what actually goes into making films, because they had the audacity to consider Ghostbusters one of the greatest films of all time.

Well, since you seem to know better than actual filmmakers, film executives, film agents, etc, what kind of films do you consider "Greatest of all time"?
 
The Batman said:
Oh. I see. Only Dramatic Oscar bait can be considered among the greatest films of all time.
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It's ironic you mention this because I think it's also the reason fanboys continue to put TDK on a pedestal they dare not put other superhero films.

The Dark Knight is arguably not even the greatest BATMAN movie. The original Burton Batman was a cultural phenomenon that still influences Hollywood to this day. You can argue that MASK OF THE PHANTASM is more emotionally involving than The Dark Knight.

Or what about Avengers? If you want to talk about cultural impact that was the biggest superhero blockbuster this generation, period.

Yet you'll never see anyone here suggest that any of these movies belong on the same list as The Godfather. I wonder why?
 
If TDK were actual oscar bait, it would've been nominated for best picture.

It's funny how you didn't answer my question.

Skrilla31 said:
Yet you'll never see anyone here suggest that any of these movies belong on the same list as The Godfather. I wonder why?
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I know...because they're not as good as The Dark Knight, which has been put on the same list as The Godfather. By people who actually make films.
 
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Skrilla31 said:
You're right they're just opinions, fanboy opinions.
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Skrilla31 said:
Wow a survey, really?

From 'people that work in hollywood'? What should that even mean?
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So first you dismiss those articles as "fanboy opinions" and then when you are presented with something that is reflective of actual pros in the industry you deem it suspect. What exactly are you looking for, the word of god? :oldrazz:
 
For the record, the Oscars are voted on by people who work in the industry. So I'm not sure why we are dismissing that Hollywood Reporter survey when the people being polled also work in the industry.
 
Skrilla31 said:
The Dark Knight is arguably not even the greatest BATMAN movie.
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Arguably? Well a good argument usually has facts to back it up. What facts do you have to support this? Because box office totals, film critic awards, industry awards, audience awards, and any number of polls and surveys suggest otherwise.
 
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This is reminding me of the NealKenneth conversation, to be honest.
 
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