Worst MCU movie?

[John Locke]

What was Mandarin easter egg in Iron man 2?

The guy who gives Whiplash his fake passport and ticked to Monaco (so that he can go attack Tony) was a member of the Ten Rings (I believe that he's listed as such in the end credits).

What Loki said and I think that the guy who replaced Vanko in the prison had a Ten Rings tattoo as well. Then there was also the theory that the reason the majority of Iron Man's villains, Stane, Hammer, Tahir's character, wore similar rings because they were working for the Mandarin and the ten rings represented ten people.

 

[zeptron]

It's a real shame because the way they had built the Ben Kingsley side of things in the first half was a very good way of handling the character in light of the awful original way when written back in the 60's. Then, as you say, that terrible twist kicked in....

Hell Marvel fans that wanted Ben Kingsley to play a villain in one of the films(I'm talking Marvel films in general not just the MCU) got screwed twice. Because he was also initially in talks to play Vulture in Spider-man 3 before Sony interfered.

 

[Erzengel]

Seriously, someone put GOTG as the worst MCU movie? AVE should have made this public.

 

[Eddie]

Seriously, someone put GOTG as the worst MCU movie? AVE should have made this public.

Apparently someone hates fun. That or they're a dirty speciesist with an axe to grind against raccoons.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Seriously, someone put GOTG as the worst MCU movie? AVE should have made this public.

In hindsight, I should have, though I only included the likes of GOTG, TA, IM and TWS for the sake of fairness, I never expected anyone to vote for them!

 

[metaphysician]

I continue to wonder when the "fans" will finally get over their irrational hatred of IM3. Or at least stop making ludicrous arguments that simultaneously condemn the movie for being unfaithful to the comics, while also condemning the movie for not using Fake!Mandarin, despite the fact that these two complaints are incompatible, as Trevor!Mandarin was even less faithful to the comics than Killian!Mandarin.

 

[Visualiza]

Ant-Man for me. I thought it was terrible.

 

[MichaelChen]

Double post

 

[MichaelChen]

I am a Mandarin fab and was before the movie came out but the above is so spot on. I lost out on a faithful Mandarin to get a poor villain in his place. And I am a Guy Pearce fan as well. The twist wasn't needed and asnt executed well either. Its what make me dislike the movie more and more on repeat viewings.

Do you actually know anything about The Mandarin? He was basically Marvel's Roman Sionis, a rich kid who squandered all his fiefdom's money on scientific and martial-arts training, and then blamed the world for what was really his own short-sightedness and vanity. He's also generally been loud and obnoxious, not calm and mysterious. He's this guy, basically:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eAGyqD46rc
Plus Iron Fist powers and some looted alien tech.

Does any of what I just described remotely resemble the Trevor version, had he been real? No, Trevor was a calm, logical terrorist in the Ra's Al Ghul/Yellow Claw mold pre-reveal.

It does, however, fairly resemble The Killiandarin, a character with a sci-fi version of Iron Fist powers, motivated by rage, and who squandered taxpayer money to gain his powers.

I continue to wonder when the "fans" will finally get over their irrational hatred of IM3. Or at least stop making ludicrous arguments that simultaneously condemn the movie for being unfaithful to the comics, while also condemning the movie for not using Fake!Mandarin, despite the fact that these two complaints are incompatible, as Trevor!Mandarin was even less faithful to the comics than Killian!Mandarin.

Yeah, I find it hilarious that they complain that The Killiandarin wasn't faithful, when the concept they have in their minds doesn't remotely resemble comic Mandarin. They seem absolutely convinced that Mandarin is some blend of Ra's Al Ghul and Yellow Claw.

The actual comic Mandarin is more like Roman Sionis with the powers of Iron Fist.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Do you actually know anything about The Mandarin? He was basically Marvel's Roman Sionis, a rich kid who squandered all his fiefdom's money on scientific and martial-arts training, and then blamed the world for what was really his own short-sightedness and vanity. He's also generally been loud and obnoxious, not calm and mysterious. He's this guy, basically:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eAGyqD46rc
Plus Iron Fist powers and some looted alien tech.

Does any of what I just described remotely resemble the Trevor version, had he been real? No, Trevor was a calm, logical terrorist in the Ra's Al Ghul/Yellow Claw mold pre-reveal.

It does, however, fairly resemble The Killiandarin, a character with a sci-fi version of Iron Fist powers, motivated by rage, and who squandered taxpayer money to gain his powers.




Yeah, I find it hilarious that they complain that The Killiandarin wasn't faithful, when the concept they have in their minds doesn't remotely resemble comic Mandarin. They seem absolutely convinced that Mandarin is some blend of Ra's Al Ghul and Yellow Claw.

The actual comic Mandarin is more like Roman Sionis with the powers of Iron Fist.

I use to watch the IM cartoon religiously in the 90's and have read IM comics from the last 30 years. I know the Mandarin, Slattery before the reveal seems like a great update. Killian was a poor version of the Mandarin for me, similar powers and motives yes, but a poor version nonetheless.

 

[MichaelChen]

Only if by "update" you mean a radical alteration into Ra's Al Ghul/Yellow Claw.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Only if by "update" you mean a radical alteration into Ra's Al Ghul/Yellow Claw.

Of course .

 

[Loki882]

Again, I don't care about him being "faithful" to the comics (since The Mandarin has been portrayed quite different in the comics depending on who's writing him at the time anyway). What I DO care about is that Sir Ben Kingsley was far more menacing and interesting when he was pretending to be the main villain than Guy Pearce (whom I do like overall btw) was when he actually was the main villain. It really drags the second half of the movie down for me.

 

[DA_Champion]

Are these results mostly as people expected?

I think so.

I'm relieved that few are hating the first Thor.

 

[Loki882]

I liked the first Thor. Does it have issues, sure. But it's a good flick imo. And considering that no one had ever tried to bring a CB character like Thor to the big screen before, I found it to be an admirable first effort overall.

 

[Fincher]

I think the serious Trevor Slattery was a good villain in theory; I'm just not sure how he was a good RDJ Iron Man villain. I really have no idea what the two of them would talk about, and it makes me think of Iron Man 1 and how by-the-numbers a previously idiosyncratic movie became once it had to revolve around a very normal villain. If Tony quips at The Mandarin, it undercuts the villain's menacing aura, and if he doesn't and it's all treated very seriously, it feels out of step with what had previously been an action comedy more often than not.

That's not to say I liked Killian, but I think they had the right basic idea, just not the best execution. The ideal Iron Man villain for me would be someone who snarks as well as Tony does while destroying his world around him, someone who uses his comedy against him. I did like Whiplash because he had the idiosyncratic thing going on, even if they didn't spend as much time on him as they could. Hammer and him felt like they belonged in Tony's world. And I enjoyed the Slattery reveal itself.

 

[Loki882]

Simple, Tony tries to quip and Mandarin is having none of it. In fact, he acknowledges that Tony's jokes are simply a defense mechanism to cope with all of the crap that happens to him.

It reminds me of Avengers: EMH, where Wasp tries to get under Doctor Doom's skin by insulting him (which is a usual tactic of hers). And he just calmly calls her out on it, points out that it isn't going to work on him, and then tells her to "stop embarrassing herself."

 

[Fincher]

I just don't see how a serious, menacing ideological villain makes sense as the final outcome of a movie where Tony Stark calls a young boy a p****. I didn't see the reveal coming, but it's completely in line with the sort of movie this had been up to that point. The Kingsley Mandarin seems more like a Nolan Batman villain.

 

[Loki882]

I'd argue that it presents a nice contrast and ideological divide. It's also why I don't buy the whole "magic/alien tech would have been out of place in an IM film" line.

But, I can see your point.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Again, I don't care about him being "faithful" to the comics (since The Mandarin has been portrayed quite different in the comics depending on who's writing him at the time anyway). What I DO care about is that Sir Ben Kingsley was far more menacing and interesting when he was pretending to be the main villain than Guy Pearce (whom I do like overall btw) was when he actually was the main villain. It really drags the second half of the movie down for me.

Are these results mostly as people expected?

I think so.

I'm relieved that few are hating the first Thor.

First Thor is still one of my favourite MCU movies, I don't understand it getting the hate it does. But I am glad it seems to be faring well in this poll. I expected worse.

 

[dc_mos]

Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I honestly mean no offence to anyone who voted for TIH, but I get the feeling people are voting it the worst because it feels the most disconnected from the MCU because of the change in actor and it being referred to very little. I feel people are measuring the movie on that rather than its quality.

I say this as I felt the same until last year when I re-watched it with all of the MCU movies before AOU came out. I realised then it was still actually a good movie on it's own terms.

 

[MichaelChen]

Again, I don't care about him being "faithful" to the comics (since The Mandarin has been portrayed quite different in the comics depending on who's writing him at the time anyway). What I DO care about is that Sir Ben Kingsley was far more menacing and interesting when he was pretending to be the main villain than Guy Pearce (whom I do like overall btw) was when he actually was the main villain. It really drags the second half of the movie down for me.

Well then you aren't part of the group me and Metaphysician are critiquing. I wasn't responding to every single person in the thread, and I doubt he was either.

Ultimately, The Killiandarin is the rich kid who squandered his fiefdom's money to become an Iron Fist type, and then blamed everyone but himself for his problems, played almost completely straight. Basically they just turned him from half-white to all-white and replaced chi-amped karate-chops with sci-fi-amped karate-chops. The Killiandarin is Stan Lee's Mandarin yoinked straight out of the Silver Age origin story.

I like Stan Lee's version, so I didn't mind that The Killiandarin really wasn't an update, so much as the character from the Stan Lee origin story yoinked straight out of the Silver Age and changed just the absolute bare minimum needed to prevent complaints of racism. If you wanted an update that truly moved him away from Stan Lee's origin story in a core way, well, sorry you didn't get that. But those of us who truly liked the Roman Sionis/Iron Fist blend Stan Lee created liked The Killiandarin just fine.

Indeed, I'd say that Iron Man III was a conscious rejection of updating. It's kind of like the Batman: the Brave and the Bold cartoon, deliberately Silver Agey. The advertisements promise a Nolan-style update, but the actual movie is very Silver Agey. The Killiandarin is not an update of The Mandarin. The Killiandarin is Silver Age Mandarin yoinked straight out of his Stan Lee origin story and painted white.

 

[Slushy]

The film's worst offense was over-stuffing the movie. I get it, they were trying to unspool a very large portion of the Cosmic MCU. The problem is that it birthed too much freaking exposition. "You're Drax the Destroyer!" "You're Gamora one of the deadliest assassins!" "He's Thanos the most fearest being in the galaxy!" Show me, don't tell me EVERYTHING.

They kind of had to since people in general (including myself) didn't have knowledge on the source material.

I continue to wonder when the "fans" will finally get over their irrational hatred of IM3. Or at least stop making ludicrous arguments that simultaneously condemn the movie for being unfaithful to the comics, while also condemning the movie for not using Fake!Mandarin, despite the fact that these two complaints are incompatible, as Trevor!Mandarin was even less faithful to the comics than Killian!Mandarin.

I actually didn't mind the radical chance since the world is all trying to being political correct these days, but the twist robbed the fans out of a good updated version of the character.

Oh, I'm not The Joker. I'm just a struggling actor.

See?

 

[4thWallBreaker]

I guess I thought Thor: The Dark World was fun and better than the first.

I thought Incredible Hulk was the weakest.