Comics Would you cancel all Spider-Man books if they killed off MJ?

[Arkady Rossovich]

With the condition of the Spider-Man books,and character today.That would be the final straw,i would only stick to TPB`s and once i had all the good ones,i would say good bye to Stan Lee`s Spider-Man.

 

[DACrowe]

Female friends?

Quite a few these days acutally. But the fact that she was involved with a man she was ready to be engaged and married to but then has sex with a friend's father 30 years older than her in the same month....well it just doesn't speak very highly of character then.

 

[spideylover89]

Wow it's dead even now.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Yes I'd cancel all of the upcoming spidey book's until, they bring MJ back to life again .

 

[SpideyInATree]

Female friends?

Quite a few these days acutally. But the fact that she was involved with a man she was ready to be engaged and married to but then has sex with a friend's father 30 years older than her in the same month....well it just doesn't speak very highly of character then.

I think kainedamo's point was that the storyline where this occurs was more of a horrible, horrible decision by the writer and the editor than it was by the character.

I'm sure you've read the old Spidey stories where Pete and Gwen are obviously very in love with each other and even # 121 where she dies. It was absolutely impossible for Sins Past to actually even take place.

And besides...the original plot of the story was to have the twins be Peter's.

 

[kainedamo]

I think kainedamo's point was that the storyline where this occurs was more of a horrible, horrible decision by the writer and the editor than it was by the character.

I'm sure you've read the old Spidey stories where Pete and Gwen are obviously very in love with each other and even # 121 where she dies. It was absolutely impossible for Sins Past to actually even take place.

And besides...the original plot of the story was to have the twins be Peter's.

There is that. But there is also the fact that, given the context of the story, only in the minds of fundamentalist Christians could Gwen be considered a ****e. I don't know what DaCrowe was talking about, I can't remember any talk of engagement between Gwen and Pete.

People look at their relationship through rose tinted glasses. They broke up loads!! In many ways, she behaved like a silly girl anyway.

 

[SpideyInATree]

There is that. But there is also the fact that, given the context of the story, only in the minds of fundamentalist Christians could Gwen be considered a ****e. I don't know what DaCrowe was talking about, I can't remember any talk of engagement between Gwen and Pete.

People look at their relationship through rose tinted glasses. They broke up loads!! In many ways, she behaved like a silly girl anyway.

Or he's got a twisted vision of what a ****e is.

 

[Dragon]

There is that. But there is also the fact that, given the context of the story, only in the minds of fundamentalist Christians could Gwen be considered a ****e. I don't know what DaCrowe was talking about, I can't remember any talk of engagement between Gwen and Pete.

People look at their relationship through rose tinted glasses. They broke up loads!! In many ways, she behaved like a silly girl anyway.

Gwen is my favorite of Peter's girlfriends.

But in the context of Sins Past, yes, Gwen is a ****e.

And Peter and Gwen were constantly talking about marriage after her return from England.

But SP has her having a one night stand with a man she barely knew. Getting pregnant as a result, carrying the children to term and lying to Peter the entire time- THEN- after giving birth, intending to dump the kids in Peter's lap, expecting him to accept them as a family, which would mean he'd have to quit school and work fulltime to care for them. Rather ****ish.

But then, SP is a pile of crap, and as SIAT mentioned, couldn't have happened, physically, characteristically or on any other level.

 

[kainedamo]

Gwen is my favorite of Peter's girlfriends.

But in the context of Sins Past, yes, Gwen is a ****e.

And Peter and Gwen were constantly talking about marriage after her return from England.

But SP has her having a one night stand with a man she barely knew. Getting pregnant as a result, carrying the children to term and lying to Peter the entire time- THEN- after giving birth, intending to dump the kids in Peter's lap, expecting him to accept them as a family, which would mean he'd have to quit school and work fulltime to care for them. Rather ****ish.

But then, SP is a pile of crap, and as SIAT mentioned, couldn't have happened, physically, characteristically or on any other level.

That really isn't the definition of a ****e. She knows Peter's a good decent man and she knows that he'd be a good father, she knows he'd stick by her. That makes her a ****e??

Say what you like about Sins Past. But calling Gwen a ****e, even if she is just a fictional character, just makes you look like an *******. It's insulting to decent women everywhere. Sorry. When you think about it, calling her a ****e really is quite ******ed. You've never had a one night stand?? Never had sex that you didn't later regret?? Use your brain. How many people in the world had sex that they later regretted??

 

[The Joker]

Go **** off. That really isn't the definition of a ****e. She knows Peter's a good decent man and she knows that he'd be a good father, she knows he'd stick by her. That makes her a ****e??

Screwing another guy [her friend's dad of all people] when she's in a committed relationship with someone else, having unprotected sex and getting pregnant, keeping the pregnancy a secret from the guy she loves, and going off and having the babies in secret is very ****e like behaviour.

You think that lying to a good and decent guy makes it ok?? Just because she knew Peter was a good guy, that somehow condones what she did?? If anything it makes it WORSE.

You can swear your head off, but Gwen in Sins Past was a ****e. Simple as that.

 

[kainedamo]

Screwing another guy [her friend's dad of all people] when she's in a committed relationship with someone else, having unprotected sex and getting pregnant, keeping the pregnancy a secret from the guy she loves, and going off and having the babies in secret is very ****e like behaviour.

You think that lying to a good and decent guy makes it ok?? Just because she knew Peter was a good guy, that somehow condones what she did?? If anything it makes it WORSE.

You can swear your head off, but Gwen in Sins Past was a ****e. Simple as that.

Right... ok... let's think about this logically. I'm not saying that because Peter is a good guy makes it ok to lie to him. That's not what I said at all. I just said, why wouldn't Gwen think that Peter would make a great father? She had lied to him, yes, but the circumstances were rather extreme, and she fully intended to tell him... but Norman killed her.

Being in a committed relationship... that's questionable. If I've got the time frame right, around the time Gwen slept with Norman, it's likely that her and Peter were on one of their break up periods. It's the whole rose tinted glasses thing that people look through when thinking about Gwen and Peter. They broke up ALL the time! Having unprotected sex doesn't make one a ****e, so we can throw that out the window. Getting pregnant doesn't make one a ****e. Keeping it a secret... nope!!!

Was sleeping with Norman a mistake? Yes.
Was keeping the pregnancy and the children a secret a mistake? Yes.

Does EITHER of those things by ANY stretch make Gwen a ****e? Only if you're Fred Phelps.

 

[The Joker]

Right... ok... let's think about this logically. I'm not saying that because Peter is a good guy makes it ok to lie to him. That's not what I said at all. I just said, why wouldn't Gwen think that Peter would make a great father? She had lied to him, yes, but the circumstances were rather extreme, and she fully intended to tell him... but Norman killed her.

Whether Peter was going to be a good father or not is irrelevant. She kept the pregnancy a secret for 9 months at least. Thats a long time. Then what?? She was going to drop this bombshell on Peter that she has two kids somewhere. Two kids who were concieved when she and Peter were together, and by their good friend's dad.

She lied to Peter with ease. 9 months, and he had NO clue. Natural born liar our Gwen.

Being in a committed relationship... that's questionable. If I've got the time frame right, around the time Gwen slept with Norman, it's likely that her and Peter were on one of their break up periods. It's the whole rose tinted glasses thing that people look through when thinking about Gwen and Peter. They broke up ALL the time!

Oh no, you're not doing a Ross Gellar here and say "We were on a BREAK!!!".

That is not a green light to screw the first guy who comes along. Least of all your friend's dad. Jesus, its like something you see on Jerry Springer.

Having unprotected sex doesn't make one a ****e

Yes it does. ****es spread their legs at the drop of a hat. Gwen did the same thing. Was she even drunk when it happened?? Was her judgement impaired?? Nope.

Heck, at least most ****es have the smarts to be on the pill or have their tubes tied. Gwen didn't care about any of that. She just hopped in the sack with Norman at the drop of a hat.

Norman just looked good. "There was something about him" I believe was her words.

Getting pregnant doesn't make one a ****e.

Getting pregnant by another man who is not your partner does.

Keeping it a secret... nope!!!

Lying to her loved ones about something like that is certainly a bad trait. It may not make her a ****e, but it makes her of very bad character.

Was sleeping with Norman a mistake? Yes.
Was keeping the pregnancy and the children a secret a mistake? Yes.

Does EITHER of those things by ANY stretch make Gwen a ****e? Only if you're Fred Phelps.

Screwing around with another guy and then having his bastard kids in secret is very ****e like.

Whether you're Fred Phelps or not

 

[Cullen]

Right... ok... let's think about this logically. I'm not saying that because Peter is a good guy makes it ok to lie to him. That's not what I said at all. I just said, why wouldn't Gwen think that Peter would make a great father? She had lied to him, yes, but the circumstances were rather extreme, and she fully intended to tell him... but Norman killed her.

Being in a committed relationship... that's questionable. If I've got the time frame right, around the time Gwen slept with Norman, it's likely that her and Peter were on one of their break up periods. It's the whole rose tinted glasses thing that people look through when thinking about Gwen and Peter. They broke up ALL the time! Having unprotected sex doesn't make one a ****e, so we can throw that out the window. Getting pregnant doesn't make one a ****e. Keeping it a secret... nope!!!

Was sleeping with Norman a mistake? Yes.
Was keeping the pregnancy and the children a secret a mistake? Yes.

Does EITHER of those things by ANY stretch make Gwen a ****e? Only if you're Fred Phelps.

I hate to do this, but kainedamo is right. Gwen isn't a ****e.

****es get paid.

Gwen's a ****.

Having corrected that error, Let me point out that Gwen and Peter weren't broken up for the seven month period it took the Goblin Spawn to germinate. They were together. That means that for those seven months, Gwen hid her condition not just to Peter but to EVERY FREAKING PERSON IN HER LIFE. It is the ONLY WAY "Sins Past" "works".

This isn't a mistake. It's chronic lying.

Being purposfully obtuse is every bit as bad as having rose colored glasses.

Remember, Gwen is a **** for sleeping with her best friend's dad for no other reason than "personal magnetism". She is a liar, even if by omission, for not telling Peter during the relationship. "Going to tell Peter" is horsemanure. She had SEVEN MONTHS to do it.

 

[kainedamo]

Having unprotected sex doesn't make one a ****e

Yes it does.

You are just quite simply wrong, and I feel sorry for you if that is genuinely your attitude. Do you feel like this because of religious reasons? Having unprotected sex is stupid, but it isn't ****ish. Don't be silly.

****es spread their legs at the drop of a hat. Gwen did the same thing. Was she even drunk when it happened?? Was her judgement impaired?? Nope.

Have you even READ my arguments??? I'll repeat. How many people have had sex that they later regretted?? How many people make mistakes?? Lots. It doesn't make them bad people.

Getting pregnant by another man who is not your partner does.

What weird planet do you live on?? Having an unplanned pregnancy doesn't make you a ****e. Plenty of people have one night stands, so I'm sure alot of unplanned pregancies come from that. It's called MAKING A MISTAKE!

Lying to her loved ones about something like that is certainly a bad trait. It may not make her a ****e, but it makes her of very bad character.

They were rather extreme circumstances. Many people would have tried to hide it too.

Screwing around with another guy and then having his bastard kids in secret is very ****e like.

I think you need to look up the definition of ****e. I think you have the *****y, backstabbing, schoolyard, uber judgemental definition of ****e in your mind. She slept with one guy. Once. It was a mistake. She had some kids. She then tried to rectify the mistake. SHES A ****E!!! Dum dum duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum!!!

Anyone that has their logic caps on can see that you're clearly wrong. It's understandable, you're mad about the story. You're mad that this mostly untouched character has been dragged through the mud. But that doesn't change the fact that you're just plain being illogical.

 

[The Joker]

I hate to do this, but kainedamo is right. Gwen isn't a ****e.

****es get paid.

Gwen's a ****.

LOL

You are just quite simply wrong

In your opinion.

and I feel sorry for you if that is genuinely your attitude.

As I do for you.

Do you feel like this because of religious reasons?

Nope, just common sense.

Having unprotected sex is stupid, but it isn't ****ish. Don't be silly.

Of course it is ****ish.

Unless she knew Norman was shooting blanks, she must have known she could get pregnant from this. But she didn't care. She just wanted a good roll in the hay.

And that is ****ish........errr I mean ****tish

Have you even READ my arguments??? I'll repeat. How many people have had sex that they later regretted??

Lots.

But what were their circumstances?? Were they drunk, stoned, were they in a relationship.....what??

Those who have been in a situation similar to Gwen's are ****es. ****s who hop into bed with a guy [one she hardly knows too] and have unprotected sex.

How many people make mistakes?? Lots. It doesn't make them bad people.

Gwen is a bad person.

She's a liar and a cheater.

What weird planet do you live on?? Having an unplanned pregnancy doesn't make you a ****e. Plenty of people have one night stands, so I'm sure alot of unplanned pregancies come from that. It's called MAKING A MISTAKE!

Gwen having unprotected sex, when she wasn't on the pill, she didn't have her tubes tied, Norman hadn't had a vasectomy, and none of this mattered to her. She just wanted to get laid because Norman turned her on.

****.

They were rather extreme circumstances. Many people would have tried to hide it too.

Yep, they're called bad people.

I think you need to look up the definition of ****e. I think you have the *****y, backstabbing, schoolyard, uber judgemental definition of ****e in your mind.

I really don't care what you think of my opinions Kainedamo. You clearly care what we think though, since you swear and insult us for them.

She slept with one guy. Once. It was a mistake. She had some kids. She then tried to rectify the mistake. SHES A ****E!!! Dum dum duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum!!!

Lets re-phrase this: She slept with her friend's dad, just at a mere whim because she found him attractive, they had unprotected sex, and the prospect of possible pregnancy obviously did not sway her from getting her night of passion.
Then she find out she's pregnant. She keeps it a secret, and lies to everyone, goes off and haves the kids in secret, and then intends to drop this on Peter and wants him to raise her bastard kids from their good friend's dad.

Yep, she's a ****. And a very unpleasant person too.

Anyone that has their logic caps on can see that you're clearly wrong.

Well thank goodness everyone doesn't wear the same logic cap as you.

It's understandable, you're mad about the story. You're mad that this mostly untouched character has been dragged through the mud.

Apart from the story ignoring comic book continuity as well, yes you're right. Its a pile of crap that bastardizes several characters.

But that doesn't change the fact that you're just plain being illogical.

In your opinion. Which ain't worth much to me

 

[DACrowe]

Woah who knew my sarcastic comment would start such a debate?

No, I have read the original comics and don't think Gwen is a ****e but probably the sweetest and most humble of Peter's girlfriends and indeed very likeable (she was written to be the "perfect woman" for Pete afterall).

And yes she and Pete talked about marriage and when he didn't propose to her after Cap. Stacy's death she fled to England and there she came to her senses and came back. They talked about marraige often after that event. According to Sins Past though she really fled to England to have kids from a sexual encounter with Norman Osborn after his son ODed (actually Harry had not ODed until after she went to England and she was not present during this event) and only told her best friend MJ (they never got along and in fact were budding rivals for Peter's affection).

So in the context of the Sins Past story (which I retconn in my head by pretending it never happened, as it is all fictional anyways) we have a young girl madly in love with her boyfriend who she intends to marry any day but a 30 year older man who is the father of a loose friend she has is depressed so she ****s him and then doesn't even tell Pete, it is the action of someone who is not as homely as possible. While if this happened in real life I would be more considerate of the circumstances and think there could be extenuating circumstances but at the end it was a miserable mistake on her behalf, one that does tarnish her character a bit (and don't mistake me for a zealot Christian, I am FAR from that). She may not be a ****e, but she certainly made some very big mistakes. And hard to understand ones too if she was ready to marry her boyfriend but ****s her friend's dad on one chance encounter at the same time.

so I summed it up in a cynical sardonic way by calling her a ****e. I know in the context of hte original comics she is not and even in Sins Past she is still affable (as she would be in real life) but at the end of the day these are fictional characters and when one is written so badly out of context why not be as demeaning to the character as the story was to the said character.

People get to riled up, really.

 

[DACrowe]

Woah who knew my sarcastic comment would start such a debate?

No, I have read the original comics and don't think Gwen is a ****e but probably the sweetest and most humble of Peter's girlfriends and indeed very likeable (she was written to be the "perfect woman" for Pete afterall).

And yes she and Pete talked about marriage and when he didn't propose to her after Cap. Stacy's death she fled to England and there she came to her senses and came back. They talked about marraige often after that event. According to Sins Past though she really fled to England to have kids from a sexual encounter with Norman Osborn after his son ODed (actually Harry had not ODed until after she went to England and she was not present during this event) and only told her best friend MJ (they never got along and in fact were budding rivals for Peter's affection).

So in the context of the Sins Past story (which I retconn in my head by pretending it never happened, as it is all fictional anyways) we have a young girl madly in love with her boyfriend who she intends to marry any day but a 30 year older man who is the father of a loose friend she has is depressed so she ****s him and then doesn't even tell Pete, it is the action of someone who is not as homely as possible. While if this happened in real life I would be more considerate of the circumstances and think there could be extenuating circumstances but at the end it was a miserable mistake on her behalf, one that does tarnish her character a bit (and don't mistake me for a zealot Christian, I am FAR from that). She may not be a ****e, but she certainly made some very big mistakes. And hard to understand ones too if she was ready to marry her boyfriend but ****s her friend's dad on one chance encounter at the same time.

so I summed it up in a cynical sardonic way by calling her a ****e. I know in the context of hte original comics she is not and even in Sins Past she is still affable (as she would be in real life) but at the end of the day these are fictional characters and when one is written so badly out of context why not be as demeaning to the character as the story was to the said character.

People get to riled up, really.

 

[Corporal]

I definetely dont think MJ should be killed of in 616 or ultimate. Sure, split them up to get some interesting stuff into the mix, but I liek the fact that they're meant to be togethor, and if MJ would die..Why?...Why would they do that to peter....

 

[kainedamo]

Woah who knew my sarcastic comment would start such a debate?

No, I have read the original comics and don't think Gwen is a ****e but probably the sweetest and most humble of Peter's girlfriends and indeed very likeable (she was written to be the "perfect woman" for Pete afterall).

And yes she and Pete talked about marriage and when he didn't propose to her after Cap. Stacy's death she fled to England and there she came to her senses and came back. They talked about marraige often after that event. According to Sins Past though she really fled to England to have kids from a sexual encounter with Norman Osborn after his son ODed (actually Harry had not ODed until after she went to England and she was not present during this event) and only told her best friend MJ (they never got along and in fact were budding rivals for Peter's affection).

So in the context of the Sins Past story (which I retconn in my head by pretending it never happened, as it is all fictional anyways) we have a young girl madly in love with her boyfriend who she intends to marry any day but a 30 year older man who is the father of a loose friend she has is depressed so she ****s him and then doesn't even tell Pete, it is the action of someone who is not as homely as possible. While if this happened in real life I would be more considerate of the circumstances and think there could be extenuating circumstances but at the end it was a miserable mistake on her behalf, one that does tarnish her character a bit (and don't mistake me for a zealot Christian, I am FAR from that). She may not be a ****e, but she certainly made some very big mistakes. And hard to understand ones too if she was ready to marry her boyfriend but ****s her friend's dad on one chance encounter at the same time.

so I summed it up in a cynical sardonic way by calling her a ****e. I know in the context of hte original comics she is not and even in Sins Past she is still affable (as she would be in real life) but at the end of the day these are fictional characters and when one is written so badly out of context why not be as demeaning to the character as the story was to the said character.

People get to riled up, really.

Thanks for being sensible about it. Hearing Gwen being called a ****e does rile me up, 'cause I sort of see it as an insult on alot of women that don't deserve the insult.

 

[kainedamo]

LOL



In your opinion.



As I do for you.



Nope, just common sense.



Of course it is ****ish.

Unless she knew Norman was shooting blanks, she must have known she could get pregnant from this. But she didn't care. She just wanted a good roll in the hay.

And that is ****ish........errr I mean ****tish



Lots.

But what were their circumstances?? Were they drunk, stoned, were they in a relationship.....what??

Those who have been in a situation similar to Gwen's are ****es. ****s who hop into bed with a guy [one she hardly knows too] and have unprotected sex.



Gwen is a bad person.

She's a liar and a cheater.



Gwen having unprotected sex, when she wasn't on the pill, she didn't have her tubes tied, Norman hadn't had a vasectomy, and none of this mattered to her. She just wanted to get laid because Norman turned her on.

****.



Yep, they're called bad people.



I really don't care what you think of my opinions Kainedamo. You clearly care what we think though, since you swear and insult us for them.



Lets re-phrase this: She slept with her friend's dad, just at a mere whim because she found him attractive, they had unprotected sex, and the prospect of possible pregnancy obviously did not sway her from getting her night of passion.
Then she find out she's pregnant. She keeps it a secret, and lies to everyone, goes off and haves the kids in secret, and then intends to drop this on Peter and wants him to raise her bastard kids from their good friend's dad.

Yep, she's a ****. And a very unpleasant person too.



Well thank goodness everyone doesn't wear the same logic cap as you.



Apart from the story ignoring comic book continuity as well, yes you're right. Its a pile of crap that bastardizes several characters.



In your opinion. Which ain't worth much to me

I'm not sure where I've insulted you??

You're really just repeating yourself. I'm going to tell you why, not OPINION, but why you are FACTUALLY WRONG!!

Norman never payed Gwen for sex. So factually, she is not a ****e.

Gwen slept with one man. Once. You can spin it whatever way you like, with your silly "she couldn't wait to get into the sack" talk. The fact remains, Gwen made a mistake. ONE mistake. ONE mistake doesn't make a person a ****.

What makes a person a ****? Several mistakes. Sleeping with people you shouldn't several times. Making the same mistake again and again and again. Gwen did it once, it's just a mistake, and doesn't make her a ****. Factually, you are wrong.

You NEVER answered my questions. You just repeat yourself. Have you, or anyone you know, ever had sex that you later regretted? If the answer is yes for yourself, then you are a hypocrite. WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES!!!

Making the same mistake again and again and again is what makes a person a ****.

 

[The_Raven]

Killing MJ off would be dumb on SO many levels. One of the biggest reasons is the amount of depression that would come across the Spidey books. How depressing would it be if MJ died! This guy's girlfriends keep dying on him! Why isn't he allowed this piece of happiness??

Daredevil fans might say the same thing. He's lost more girls than Pete.

For the record, I don't want MJ killed.

Wasn't it JMS who lobbied to get them back together, anyway? That's why the whole story happened in Amazing where Pete goes to LA to find her. I find it odd that Joey Q was so accomodating to this if he hates the idea of the marraige (<---misspelled). I remember an interview where JMS said he had a hard time convincing Quesada to let him get them back together.

I dunno. I'm cool if they're separated for a while, but killing MJ is a nono (unless it's the crappy Dunst version in the movies).

Hehe. That oughtta get someone's undies in a bunch.

 

[The Joker]

I'm not sure where I've insulted you??

Your swearing at us is insulting and offensive. I see you selectively edited your original post to Dragon, but I caught your "Go **** off" comment in a quote before you did.

You're really just repeating yourself.

So are you.

I'm going to tell you why, not OPINION, but why you are FACTUALLY WRONG!!

Norman never payed Gwen for sex. So factually, she is not a ****e.

Yes I know, as Cullen pointed out Gwen is a ****. Either way, a **** is just as bad.

Gwen slept with one man. Once. You can spin it whatever way you like, with your silly "she couldn't wait to get into the sack" talk. The fact remains, Gwen made a mistake. ONE mistake. ONE mistake doesn't make a person a ****.

What makes a person a ****? Several mistakes. Sleeping with people you shouldn't several times. Making the same mistake again and again and again. Gwen did it once, it's just a mistake, and doesn't make her a ****. Factually, you are wrong.

You NEVER answered my questions. You just repeat yourself. Have you, or anyone you know, ever had sex that you later regretted? If the answer is yes for yourself, then you are a hypocrite. WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES!!!

Making the same mistake again and again and again is what makes a person a ****.

And you say I'm repeating myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****

There's your factual definition of a ****. "**** is a pejorative term for a person (usually female) who is more sexually promiscuous than is deemed socially acceptable.".

Screwing your friend's dad at the drop of a hat is definitely more sexually promiscuous than is deemed socially acceptable. Especially when you're committed to someone else.

Gwen behaved like a **** in Sins Past. You can try and white wash her as a silly, naive girl all you like. From what we were TOLD in the story, Gwen decided to screw Norman because he turned her on. To hell with anything else. She wanted to get laid. Simple as that.

And her behaviour AFTERWARDS, and how she handled the pregnancy only further proves how bad she was.

 

[Effect]

Would I stop buying if MJ was killed off? No, can't say I would stop. Honestly I'm not that attached to Mary Jane even though I've read and seen more of her then any other romantic interest Peter has been with. She's better then most, especailly Black Cat but I wouldn't really get bend out of shape about it if she was killed off. I've always had a problem with her being a model and an actress and nearly always being drawn as perfect anyway.

 

[Themanofbat]

Gwen "behaved" like a **** in Sins Past. You can try and white wash her as a silly, naive girl all you like. From what we were TOLD in the story, Gwen decided to screw Norman because he turned her on. To hell with anything else. She wanted to get laid. Simple as that.

And therein lies the answer... just because she "behaved" like a **** does NOT necessarily make one a ****.

I know everyone likes to talk the higher moral ground, but the reality is that we ALL make mistakes sexually. I've done it... regretably, and so has everyone else, excluding the virgins reading this.

So I can merely look at that whole storyline as a young woman who made a TERRIBLE choice... and terrible sexual choices are not exclusive to ****es and ****s alone... normal GOOD people make them too. And that's how I have to accept this is if it's going to be part of Spidey history.

It's barely believable... but believable nonetheless.

And that's my 2 cents on this subject.

It's been beaten to deathm, and it's these types of "debates" that led to the exodus of many good users who "used" to post here, and I'd hate to see it happen again.

And let's all agree to disagree and all move along...

Cheers...

 

[kainedamo]

Your swearing at us is insulting and offensive. I see you selectively edited your original post to Dragon, but I caught your "Go **** off" comment in a quote before you did.

Yeah, I edited it out 'cause I figured it was unnecassery and over the top. Good on you for catching it!

So are you.



Yes I know, as Cullen pointed out Gwen is a ****. Either way, a **** is just as bad.



And you say I'm repeating myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****

There's your factual definition of a ****. "**** is a pejorative term for a person (usually female) who is more sexually promiscuous than is deemed socially acceptable.".

Screwing your friend's dad at the drop of a hat is definitely more sexually promiscuous than is deemed socially acceptable. Especially when you're committed to someone else.

Gwen behaved like a **** in Sins Past. You can try and white wash her as a silly, naive girl all you like. From what we were TOLD in the story, Gwen decided to screw Norman because he turned her on. To hell with anything else. She wanted to get laid. Simple as that.

And her behaviour AFTERWARDS, and how she handled the pregnancy only further proves how bad she was.

I'm going to end this argument now because you STILL haven't answered my questions. I've asked you, like, 3 seperate times and you still haven't answered.

Sexual promiscuity means sleeping with more than ONE guy just ONCE.