Would You Have Prefered a Smallville Movie?

[Bruce_Wayne29]

How about this? For All Season, Birthright and LL: Man of Steel adapted into a feature-length film trilogy starring Welling, Rosenbaum, Durance, O'Toole, Stamp, McKean and Ashmore? With a special appearance by Schneider and Glover? I'm there!

That too !

 

[AgentPat]

(Copied from 2nd Reckoning thread)

Hey Warners? Y'all home?

THIS is the response you want to see from your audience...

I just teared up all over again.........

That final scene at the graveside was just beautiful. The snow, the slow-mo, the song, the symbolism of everyone walking away and leaving Clark to ultimately stand alone... I teared up too.

The scene at the graveyard is possibly one of the most beautiful in the series...

It is an amazing, beautifully shot & acted scene. Peter Gabriel's "I Grieve" is one of the best uses of music in the series. I agree--the scene at the end of Vengeance makes me lose it too--both are so touching.

My tears start when Martha is screaming right after Jonathan dies in her arms. But the utter look of devastation on Clark's face, capped off with him latching the pearl necklace on his mom (as his dad used to do) just breaks me every time I watch. The graveyard scene for me is always viewed behind a well of tears...

THAT is what happens when people become attached to fictional characters. They CARE! Imagine that?

Think y'all can hit the drawing board again for your next Supes' film? Please?

Tanks! (with big guns)

 

[TKodami]

(Copied from 2nd Reckoning thread)

Hey Warners? Y'all home?


THIS is the response you want to see from your audience...

THAT is what happens when people become attached to fictional characters. They CARE! Imagine that?

Think y'all can hit the drawing board again for your next Supes' film? Please?

Tanks! (with big guns)

You guys probably all know how I feel about SR now...and I'm up in the air about how I'd like the next Supes movie to look and feel. What I love about Superman comics is that they're part of a bigger storyline--but are often radically different in tone and style based on the artists and writers.

I'm excited about Singer returning for a second outing--but I wish that he and his creative team took a radical 180 on the tone and the construction of the film. Instead of a sprawling, impression-oriented movie--maybe a tight, action and/or dialogue oriented film with quieter moments interlaced. I'm kinda schizophrenic in my tastes...which is why I'm a writer, not a movie director.

Well, in the end, my opinion is a hill of beans, so take it for its worth.

 

[Michael Corleone]

My god. It's a foregone conclusion that no matter what happened or happens(because people seem to have claimed victory before the war is over) one side was going to scream "TOLD YOU SO" while the other made excuses. People complaining about getting booted from the SR boards and now are getting to give their payback of sorts. All of you are no more than little children. Including the ones I thought had a brain, or perhaps were more mature. It's like a pre school playground. All of you need to grow up.

Edit: This isnt attacking either side seperately. This is attacking both sides. One will cry about something while the other side claims to be "level headed". I haven't seen "level headed" on here for about 2 years. Both sides are to blame for the problems. While one or the other claims to be perfectly innocent and the victim.

 

[darkzombiemutt]

WTF, so we can only discuss a Superman movie if its pro Bryan Singer's film?

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

thats been the gist of it for the past year and a half on this place. You can actually speak your mind more freely about the film over at BT ironically enough, since thats where the level-headed pro singer people went, leaving all of the zealots here....

 

[Michael Corleone]

WTF, so we can only discuss a Superman movie if its pro Bryan Singer's film?

Read my post again....that's not what I said.

 

[Michael Corleone]

I've about had it with both sides. Neither side can conduct a simple conversation anymore. And no BT is no better. If anything you can't post anything there unless it's flat out praise of Singer.

 

[LL2K2]

Oh boy...just another chapter in the continuing saga of the Casting Wars...

Do I think the movie as it is now was good?

Yes. What dogged me was the choppy editing and the obvious omission of scenes. It's not perfect, but it's good enough where I can accept TWO actors playing two different versions of the character (see my sig).

Do I think it would have worked better with the SV cast?

No. It's been reported (by Gough and Millar, no less - I can't find the article, but I know it's around somewhere) that had TW landed the lead in this film, Smallville probably would have ended its run at the end of the fourth season.

Give it time, folks - Tom will don the tights eventually. But if TPTB continue to write his Clark the way they did in the second half of last season (grief-stricken, jealous, stalking, and not as mature as we think)...I don't know.

The way I see it, SV's Clark is a Superman-in-training - but he still has a lot (emphasis on LOT) to learn.

 

[Serene]

I think there still remains an assumption that the majority of people here in the SV forum would rather have seen Tom in SR. Careful reading of posts would show that to be untrue. The SR casting wars ended a long time ago. Just because there are people who are disappointed with the movie (and this is from both sides of the SV fence) doesn't equate to being pissed that Tom wasn't in *that* movie.

However, wanting to see Tom don the suit in his own version of a Superman movie of some sorts is still something that many of us would dearly love to see.

There is a distinction that is hopelessly lost on a lot of people. I guess it's easier to fall back on old assumptions and fling accusations to continue the animosity between SV fans and non-SV fans.

 

[AgentPat]

I think there still remains an assumption that the majority of people here in the SV forum would rather have seen Tom in SR. Careful reading of posts would show that to be untrue. The SR casting wars ended a long time ago. Just because there are people who are disappointed with the movie (and this is from both sides of the SV fence) doesn't equate to being pissed that Tom wasn't in *that* movie.

However, wanting to see Tom don the suit in his own version of a Superman movie of some sorts is still something that many of us would dearly love to see.

There is a distinction that is hopelessly lost on a lot of people. I guess it's easier to fall back on old assumptions and fling accusations to continue the animosity between SV fans and non-SV fans.

Might want to cut and past that post for future use, Serene. Seems as if it has to be said at least once a week.



Michael, you and Pickle are sounding a bit stressed today, though the Pickster seems to have a viable reason for it [hope ya feel better, Pickle.]

With all due respect, don't tell folks here to grow up; I probably have a good 15 years on you as it is. If you have a bone to pick with somebody, address 'em directly. You have a better chance of eliciting a "mature" conversation if you offer counter points to the things you don't agree with instead of indiscriminately lobbing insults into the ether and inciting an entire board.

I've already said my peace on this issue, but I'll reiterate and elaborate for clarity. While I would have preferred a SV film over SR, in retrospect, I wouldn't have wanted it to be at the expense of the show, and I most certainly wouldn't have wanted it to be the story we got, only with the SV cast. Looking back, my ultimate preference would have been to wait till SV finished its run (last episode, Clark dons the tights, flies off into the sunset, credits roll) and then have the film franchise begin where SV left off, complete with associated cast.

I use the phrases "looking back" and "in retrospect" because I have the benefit of hindsight now. Some people in this forum [raises hand] took to describing SR as a "train wreck" in the making over a year ago. But up until a few weeks ago, nobody really knew with 100% confidence how good or bad the film would be, both critically and popularly. Any comments made could easily be deflected with a simple, "wait till you see the bloody film" retort. Well, I've seen it. And I was woefully disappointed.

There was no joy in watching this film. Too much shmaltzy nostalgia, too many "WTF? I've seen this before?" moments, no thumpity thump romantic sizzle between the leads, a ridiculous "plot," no humor (with the exception of *maybe* two lines and one brief scene), and a dreadful performance by the lead actor, which ironically enough, became glaringly obvious when I had another recent performance to compare it to during the film's Smallville scenes *cough* when Clark spoke with Martha on the farm. Of ALL the scenes that were rumored to be left on the cutting room floor, that one at the beginning should have been at the top of the list. Kinda makes me wonder what WAS ditched. Anyhoo, did I mention the film had a complete lack of joy? [looks back] Oh yeah, I covered that already. Well sheeit... it bears repeating: SR should have been THE amazing feel good movie of the summer, but it just wasn't. *siiigh*

^ All subjective opinions up there, right? Yeah, no doubt, especially when one considers that PROFESSIONAL critics from the likes of Variety and HP would disagree with me. (I'll avoid mentioning Ebert.) Oopz! Guess I just did.

Forget the critics. Lets look at the concrete reality. Remember, there's a REASON it's called show business, not show entertainment. The general public shows Hollywood what they like and what they don't when they vote with their wallets. Call me crazy, but there's something DREADFULLY wrong when a *sequel* to a film based on a Disney theme park ride wipes the floors with a 200+ million dollar franchise film about the greatest superhero ever written, directed by Bryan freakin' Singer! Look back at all my old posts in the B.O. threads over yonder. I predicted SR would make back its production budget easily and might even break a few records in the process, even if the critics didn't particularly care for it. Geeze, looks like my crystal ball was off target by about one week. And y'know what? That really embarrasses me, 'cause I fancy myself pretty "savvy" *cough* in B.O. banter around the coffee table. Lets not even bring up the total shellacking SR has taken in per theater averages alone under the heels *cough* of a silly comedy that came out of nowhere.

At this rate, SR won't make back its PB at the domestic B.O. It'll be lucky to break $200M, and it might even struggle to do that. That's pathetic. Really, it is. Warners wanted Spider-Man numbers with this flick. Even the *remake* of The Fog, a PG-13 rated "horror" film, made back its PB in NINE days at the domestic B.O. - and that was with a quarter less screens and a 43% drop-off in its sophomore sesh. It was critically panned, had ZERO "name" stars, a "ZERO" director, and it was released in the fall when all the kids were back to school. Oh yeah, and it opened at #1 even though it shared its release date with a film that had twice its PB and starred Orlando Bloom. *cough*

Apples and oranges? Well yeah, sort of. But c'mon folks. I was one of the people touting the "It's Superman" mantra over yonder. "It'll do well," I said. Many, many times.

Yet again...

 

[griffolyon12]

As much as I would of loved to see the cast of Smallville do a Superman movie in the Smallville style,I am pretty satisfied with Superman Returns.I am undecided really,I am actually all for continuing the show under a different title after he becomes Superman in the show.Like end Smallville,but continue the show in Metropolis with Tom Welling as Superman,this would be just as good as a Smallville movie in my opinion.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I find it funny how some ppl are still trying to spin the dreaded truth by saying it's doing better than Batman Begins....lol
At least Batman Begins (let's ignore the fact that it was a much better and exciting film with really good performances) payed itself and still gave profit domestically and it went on do good business overseas. In this case overseas is they're only bet (because in most foreign countries blockbusters open with little competition that month) and even so I don't see it working too much. Most ppl are going because they remember the original movie or because of Singer or because they're die hard Superman fans. Most of the young audience they're trying to market the movie are already too connected with Welling and Smallville, like it or not. And they just like alot of ppl (and contrary to what happaned with Begins) will only see the movie once out of curiosity. I don't see too many ppl (aside from the ones I mentioned) that will come back for this.

 

[RakuMon]

I find it funny how some ppl are still trying to spin the dreaded truth by saying it's doing better than Batman Begins....lol
At least Batman Begins (let's ignore the fact that it was a much better and exciting film with really good performances) payed itself and still gave profit domestically and it went on do good business overseas. In this case overseas is they're only bet (because in most foreign countries blockbusters open with little competition that month) and even so I don't see it working too much. Most ppl are going because they remember the original movie or because of Singer or because they're die hard Superman fans. Most of the young audience they're trying to market the movie are already too connected with Welling and Smallville, like it or not. And they just like alot of ppl (and contrary to what happaned with Begins) will only see the movie once out of curiosity. I don't see too many ppl (aside from the ones I mentioned) that will come back for this.

I stated in the SR B.O. thread that comparing SR to BB is a moot point.

Just because SR earned more in its first week means squat. BB is actually tracking better in the weeks after release than SR is now. The weekend to weekend drop-offs have been significantly lower as well. Mojo has all the stats here: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekend&id=supermanvs.htm

If nothing else, BB W.O.M.'d itself to over $200M domestically. The opposite is happening w/ SR. It's nearly 60% dropoff last week, and its nearly 50% dropoff this week shows that W.O.M. is low (by contrast, BB had consecutive weeks of only 43% dropoffs before leveling off in the mid-30s. Why? Good word of mouth = movie with legs), and at this rate, it'll be lucky to top $190M. Which for a movie whose budget (+marketing) is north of $300M is train wreck territory.

 

[Serene]

^ It really is disheartening for any Superman fan to see the franchise fail in its return to the big screen.
*sigh*

Glad we have SV to prove that the big guy can be a financial success. After all, it's all about the bottom-line.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

There's a poll on the DC Films forum about what kind of Superman movie would you have prefered, SR, a continuation of the SV franchise onto the big screen or a total re-start. I thought I would let you know in case you want to vote.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

and at this rate, it'll be lucky to top $190M. Which for a movie whose budget (+marketing) is north of $300M is train wreck territory.

As of now I seriously doubt they will even get to 190 million. Next week Lady In The Water opens and the week after that is Miami Vice and those are only the big releases. This weekend they've only made 11 million, that is VERY little and they dropped to nº4 in a week without any major release. And considering that Pirates made what SR cost in 2 weeks.

 

[Superpowers]

Mods please close this thread. The SR bashing has got out of hand.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240201
http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?p=766096#post766096
http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?p=765988#post765988

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

how is pointing out that the film is doing poor at the BO "bashing" it?

If you want to see "bashing" go over to the SR forum

 

[TKodami]

how is pointing out that the film is doing poor at the BO "bashing" it?

If you want to see "bashing" go over to the SR forum

Fact of the matter is that this thread is infinitely more friendly to people who like SR than the threads in the SR forum.

I'd admit that I was disappointed that SR didn't pull off amazing numbers. I wanted it to break domestic records and stomp all over the competition. Instead, it's fallen into the pattern of the majority of superhero movies. It will end up with 185-195 mil, which is a decent take for a superhero flick at the box office. Except that SR wasn't just another 130-150 mil superhero flick, it was a damned expensive movie, with 19 years of development costs tagged onto its already massive budget.

I'm disappointed, but WB execs keep saying they expected this movie to track on the level of Batman Begins.


Whatever the case, I applaud POTC2's amazing box office take.

 

[retconned]

Mods please close this thread. The SR bashing has got out of hand.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240201
http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?p=766096#post766096
http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/showthread.php?p=765988#post765988

Oh just shut the hell up. That movie deserves to be bashed for being the biggest piece of heartless, emotionless crap in theaters.

 

[Kaboom]

how is pointing out that the film is doing poor at the BO "bashing" it?

If you want to see "bashing" go over to the SR forum

what i dont understand is how someone with so few posts, and who i cannot recall having ever seen post here before, feels as though s/he has the standing to request a mod to close a thread that is nothng more than civil conversation among board regulars?

 

[NHawk19]

what i dont understand is how someone with so few posts, and who i cannot recall having ever seen post here before, feels as though s/he has the standing to request a mod to close a thread that is nothng more than civil conversation among board regulars?

Especially when they cite 2 threads from the Blue Tights area.

 

[Spider-Gamer]

Oh just shut the hell up. That movie deserves to be bashed for being the biggest piece of heartless, emotionless crap in theaters.

Well it was not THAT bad, but I guess that is just me.

 

[TKodami]

Especially when they cite 2 threads from the Blue Tights area.

Yes...that part confuses me most of all.

Well it was not THAT bad, but I guess that is just me.

Nope, it's not just you. I loved SR. Course, I can handle people talking about this movie in critical ways--even hating on it. Everyone's taste is different.

Though I do feel like I'm the wallflower in this particular party.