The Avengers Would you like to see Giant-Man in Avengers?

[chris moore]

What I meant was that in the latest Star Trek movie, Bones didn't have a tonne of screen time, with the focus being on Kirk and Spock's interaction. I'm just saying Star Trek worked well with a larger cast, so Avengers can too.

 

[TNC9852002]

The casual Avengers fans know about Ant-Man/Giant Man. They may not know his backstory very well, but I think putting him in the movie would help "complete" the team, IMO..

 

[bored]

They are founding members, and essential to the team's history. Besides, how would it make sense, continuity-wise, if there weren't other Avengers besides the four who will have had movies by then? Remember in both Iron Man movies it was indicated that there were already active super-heroes (albeit not ones who attracted world-wide attention), and the idea with the Avengers movie seems to be that it will be starting around when Captain America is unfrozen (also, Thor hasn't come to Earth by the end of "IM2"). So if they've got others already, why not go with Hank and Jan?

 

[Pendragon]

As has been stated they are founding members. Introducing War Machine and Black Widow other than in cameos would devalue the whole history of the Avengers. Marvel has done a pretty decent job thus far I hope they will do right by these characters. I think having The Pyms in supporting roles as scientists would be the way to go but by the end of the movie they need to become Antman and The Wasp to aid the team.I'm ok with saving Giant Man for the second movie or introducing him in the end of the solo Antman movie. I'm afraid they're going too much the Ultimate route which I despise. I am a proud owner of the first Avengers comic and that is the team I grew up with and the team I'll support at the theatre.

 

[Bren]

I'd prefer if they were actually shown as the main guys (Thor, IM and CA) are shown around the SHIELD hq - have him in the background 'practicing' his giantness...
After all, he's a civilian, needs to get up to speed.

But I'd really like the movie to concentrate on the Big 3 (in the Marvel movieverse) and the villain.

 

[KangConquers]

We need the Pyms. I want a team of 5.

Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Giant Man
Wasp

I want Hulk in the movie, but not as a villain or a team member; sort of as a wild card. He'll start off the villain and end up a hero, then reject an invitation to the team. Still Hulk should save the day in the final battle.

I want Nick Fury and Black Widow to stay S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents. I want them to stay sort of seperate from the Avengers at first. Same with Hawkeye; basically if a character has no superpowers, I want them on S.H.I.E.L.D. If they have superpowers they're on the Avengers.

 

[VictorShade]

We need the Pyms. I want a team of 5.

Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Giant Man
Wasp

I want Hulk in the movie, but not as a villain or a team member; sort of as a wild card. He'll start off the villain and end up a hero, then reject an invitation to the team. Still Hulk should save the day in the final battle.

I want Nick Fury and Black Widow to stay S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents. I want them to stay sort of seperate from the Avengers at first. Same with Hawkeye; basically if a character has no superpowers, I want them on S.H.I.E.L.D. If they have superpowers they're on the Avengers.

What he said.

 

[HULK (banned)]

I Think in the first film he should appear as only Ant-Man - and then save Giant-Man for the sequel

 

[chris moore]

The only problem with having Hank as Ant Man is almost the same problem as having Rhodey.
While Hank could be enough, and Jan is a tricky one to explain the presence of in the first place without changing her background, the balance of males to female supertypes would be a little one sided.
So if we get Hank, we're likely to have Jan. If we have Jan as the Wasp and Hank as Ant Man, then we have two shrinky people. Two virtually identical power sets and visuals on a team that could already be in danger of over crowding is risky. Same as War machine being on the same team as Iron Man really.

 

[HULK (banned)]

The only problem with having Hank as Ant Man is almost the same problem as having Rhodey.
While Hank could be enough, and Jan is a tricky one to explain the presence of in the first place without changing her background, the balance of males to female supertypes would be a little one sided.
So if we get Hank, we're likely to have Jan. If we have Jan as the Wasp and Hank as Ant Man, then we have two shrinky people. Two virtually identical power sets and visuals on a team that could already be in danger of over crowding is risky. Same as War machine being on the same team as Iron Man really.

What they'll most likely do is to either leave Jan out, or mess with there powers and change a few things around. Same as with Iron Man and War Machine. Iron Man mostly uses his repulsors - While War Machine mostly uses his machine guns.

 

[chris moore]

There are some differences in their powers anyway. Jan has wings and bio blasts. Hank communicates with insects. But that still leaves them both as two shrinkees - the visual and basic power set is the same.

Changing up their powers would actually be having them as Giant Man and Wasp rather than Ant Man and Wasp.

And like I said - leaving Jan out makes it a bloke fest hero-wise. Its all well and good having female supporting characters in solo movies when there is only one hero anyway (Betty, Pepper, MJ, Jane Foster, Sharon or Peggy Carter). But in the Avengers given Natasha has no actual powers, distinctive skills, or symbolic weapons, the action cast would just be men in a row and there would be no female presence for Natasha to play off in the non-action scenes.

 

[HULK (banned)]

There are some differences in their powers anyway. Jan has wings and bio blasts. Hank communicates with insects. But that still leaves them both as two shrinkees - the visual and basic power set is the same.

Changing up their powers would actually be having them as Giant Man and Wasp rather than Ant Man and Wasp.

And like I said - leaving Jan out makes it a bloke fest hero-wise. Its all well and good having female supporting characters in solo movies when there is only one hero anyway (Betty, Pepper, MJ, Jane Foster, Sharon or Peggy Carter). But in the Avengers given Natasha has no actual powers, distinctive skills, or symbolic weapons, the action cast would just be men in a row and there would be no female presence for Natasha to play off in the non-action scenes.

Good point.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

There are some differences in their powers anyway. Jan has wings and bio blasts. Hank communicates with insects. But that still leaves them both as two shrinkees - the visual and basic power set is the same.

Changing up their powers would actually be having them as Giant Man and Wasp rather than Ant Man and Wasp.

And like I said - leaving Jan out makes it a bloke fest hero-wise. Its all well and good having female supporting characters in solo movies when there is only one hero anyway (Betty, Pepper, MJ, Jane Foster, Sharon or Peggy Carter). But in the Avengers given Natasha has no actual powers, distinctive skills, or symbolic weapons, the action cast would just be men in a row and there would be no female presence for Natasha to play off in the non-action scenes.

in this case: let hank pym be hank pym... no superhero persona, just a scientisst who invented or discovered the pym particles. this way, we could still have janet as wasp

 

[HULK (banned)]

in this case: let hank pym be hank pym... no superhero persona, just a scientisst who invented or discovered the pym particles. this way, we could still have janet as wasp

That would work for me - Then he can become Ant-Man in the Ant-Man movie.. And then they could use Ant-Man (or Giant-Man) in The Avengers sequel.

 

[UnkillableMick]

Hank should be Giant Man in The Avengers, and then Ant-Man in Ant-Man, which will probably be set before Avengers.

Keep in mind that in the comics, Hank became Giant Man in like issue 2 or 3 of Avengers, and if they're using Ultimates as the main inspiration, he was Giant Man in that.

 

[HULK (banned)]

Hank should be Giant Man in The Avengers, and then Ant-Man in Ant-Man, which will probably be set before Avengers.

Keep in mind that in the comics, Hank became Giant Man in like issue 2 or 3 of Avengers, and if they're using Ultimates as the main inspiration, he was Giant Man in that.

I don't think their using any one source of reference - Rather taking little things from all over the place. From the ultimates the main thing they'll be taking is the modern feel of it I would imagine.

 

[bored]

I don't really see having two shrinking characters as an issue, when you consider that they'd be joining as a pair. It'd be "Hey, here's our duo of tiny superheroes".

 

[HULK (banned)]

I don't really see having two shrinking characters as an issue, when you consider that they'd be joining as a pair. It'd be "Hey, here's our duo of tiny superheroes".

That could work to

 

[chris moore]

Aside from my not really seeing the interesting side of two shrinking heroes over one shrinking hero and one giant superstrong hero, the idea at the moment is to have Hank discover Pym particles, then... test them on his girlfriend first? Or put her in a situation where she accidentally gets exposed but he doesn't?

 

[HULK (banned)]

Aside from my not really seeing the interesting side of two shrinking heroes over one shrinking hero and one giant superstrong hero, the idea at the moment is to have Hank discover Pym particles, then... test them on his girlfriend first? Or put her in a situation where she accidentally gets exposed but he doesn't?

Something like that

 

[Artistsean]

I want Hank Pym because he is one of the originals plus his character is very interesting. I like that at first he seems like a great heroic figure, almost bland, but you start to see how he isn't mentally stable, and then he breaks down. I like the idea that every time he changes his costume its a sign of some mental stress.
I also want him in the movies because he created Ultron (a physical manifestation of his resentment towards his team mates and of his dark side) (While Vision is an extension of all that, sort of Pym's redemption perhaps.)
If you don't introduce Pym in the first Avengers you may never get him at all, and you may never get a proper Ultron story in the movies. And you wont get, by extension, a good Vision story.
Ultron is an extension of Pym, you can't introduce him other than the creation of Pym. He shouldn't be created by someone else.
And he should show up in any movie besides the Avengers, Ultron I mean.

So Pym please in the Avengers. Leading to Ultron and the Vision showing up.


Wouldn't it be cool to see the Ultron story, he is created by Pym and represents Pym's unstable mental state and hatered of the Avengers. Ultron, in the movie, creates the Vision to attack them but Vison turns good. If we could include Wonder Man's Brain patterns in there, we could end up with Vision and Wonderman (and the brother dynamic in the movies).
That would be sooo coool.

 

[HULK (banned)]

I want Hank Pym because he is one of the originals plus his character is very interesting. I like that at first he seems like a great heroic figure, almost bland, but you start to see how he isn't mentally stable, and then he breaks down. I like the idea that every time he changes his costume its a sign of some mental stress.
I also want him in the movies because he created Ultron (a physical manifestation of his resentment towards his team mates and of his dark side) (While Vision is an extension of all that, sort of Pym's redemption perhaps.)
If you don't introduce Pym in the first Avengers you may never get him at all, and you may never get a proper Ultron story in the movies. And you wont get, by extension, a good Vision story.
Ultron is an extension of Pym, you can't introduce him other than the creation of Pym. He shouldn't be created by someone else.
And he should show up in any movie besides the Avengers, Ultron I mean.

So Pym please in the Avengers. Leading to Ultron and the Vision showing up.


Wouldn't it be cool to see the Ultron story, he is created by Pym and represents Pym's unstable mental state and hatered of the Avengers. Ultron, in the movie, creates the Vision to attack them but Vison turns good. If we could include Wonder Man's Brain patterns in there, we could end up with Vision and Wonderman (and the brother dynamic in the movies).
That would be sooo coool.

Ultron would be an amazing villain! Using Pym like that would be perfect, Then you'd have all sorts of mixing heroes in the film which would equal in an amazing cast. You'd Have

Nick Fury - The Leader
Captain America - The Soldier
Thor - The God
Iron Man - The Playboy/Inventor
Hulk - The Beast
Bruce Banner - The Fugitive/Scientist
Black Widow - The Spy
Hank Pym - The Biochemist/Unstable Hero
Vision - The Help?

That would be amazing! The mixture of the different characters will be perfect.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

what's the difference between the scientist and the brains? both sound very cerebral...
(and let's not forget: tony stark is a very bright person too)

 

[Chewy]

Bruce Banner's no slouch, either

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

yeah. totally forgot bruce