Logan X-24 (Spoilers)

[Legion]

Yep. And remember how everyone hated the giant robot at the end of the The Wolverine because it was a big special effects piece that didn’t fit in with the tone of the rest of the movie?

Omega Red is very cool. I would have loved to see him in one of the solo movie. But he never would have fit in with the story/tone of this movie. Putting him in would have been fan service, and nothing else.

X-24 is the giant robot at the end of the film for some.

Besides it's not the inclusion of SS that was the problem. He could have been in the film and not have been a giant robot.

Omega Red is a mutant with metal tendrils coming out of his arms. Logan is a mutant with metal blades coming out of his hands. Why does one fit and not the other? With the correct vision and execution Omega Red could have been a grounded and terrifying villain.

 

[OcStat]

I'm well past hoping to see X-Men characters adapted faithfully. Every time a long awaited fan-favorite shows up they are wasted. Omega would have been no different. The "Sabertooth and Wolverine" dynamic has never been as compelling in film as compared to the books.

I really enjoyed the scenes with 24. It was frightening. He brings up some questions about the usefulness of 23, if they can craft adults, but those scenes were too well done for it to bother me. And I can see why he would be more useful. I don't know if Wolverine has ever had to fight harder than he did in this movie...to eliminate a carbon-copy without a conscience.

Thinking that an organization has Logan's genetics on file to replicate as they please is really a downer. Logan defeated his antithesis but gave his life doing so...and they could pop 5 more out of the test tube tomorrow.

 

[righthooksrus86]

I'm well past hoping to see X-Men characters adapted faithfully. Every time a long awaited fan-favorite shows up they are wasted. Omega would have been no different. The "Sabertooth and Wolverine" dynamic has never been as compelling in film as compared to the books.

I really enjoyed the scenes with 24. It was frightening. He brings up some questions about the usefulness of 23, if they can craft adults, but those scenes were too well done for it to bother me. And I can see why he would be more useful. I don't know if Wolverine has ever had to fight harder than he did in this movie...to eliminate a carbon-copy without a conscience.

Thinking that an organization has Logan's genetics on file to replicate as they please is really a downer. Logan defeated his antithesis but gave his life doing so...and they could pop 5 more out of the test tube tomorrow.

Yea that's really sad, that's gonna be his legacy in that world. Good thing it isnt in ours! t:

 

[psylockolussus]

X-24 is the giant robot at the end of the film for some.

Besides it's not the inclusion of SS that was the problem. He could have been in the film and not have been a giant robot.

Omega Red is a mutant with metal tendrils coming out of his arms. Logan is a mutant with metal blades coming out of his hands. Why does one fit and not the other? With the correct vision and execution Omega Red could have been a grounded and terrifying villain.

Like way terrifying villain than Pierce that the film wouldnt have to introduce another villain to bring actual threat to the lead characters? I would be fine with that.

 

[The Guard]

I understand what it's supposed to represent, but it doesn't completely work. The action is cool, but I found it fairly derivative. A plot device that seemed to be there mostly to introduce the concept of the green mutant adrenaline.

We get it. Wolverine is not the feral killing machine he might have been thanks to Charles and the X-Men and he's "fighting himself", but we've seen that explored over how many films now? It's just not new and exciting anymore.

They should have given X24's role to Pierce, and given Pierce something to do and a more personal stake in the story as a result. As it was, until the end of the film, the Reavers just kind of hung around with cybernetic enhancements that didn't do much of anything.

 

[Ivan Drago]

I love the entire farmhouse sequence in Logan, it was just unsettling as hell. X-24 is a big part of why that whole sequence works so well, and I'm glad they added him in the movie.

 

[Smilodon]

The farmhouse sequence really grows on you to be honest. I know a lot people are quite critical of it for various reasons (they find it a detour, tone shifts, X-24, finding the Munsons are just fodder, downright mean spirited etc.), but reflecting upon it, it's such a great sequence of character beats. It reminded me of certain scenes from No Country for Old Men in terms of how chaotic and horrifying it was.

 

[Ivan Drago]

The farmhouse sequence really grows on you to be honest. I know a lot people are quite critical of it for various reasons (they find it a detour, tone shifts, X-24, finding the Munsons are just fodder, downright mean spirited etc.), but reflecting upon it, it's such a great sequence of character beats. It reminded me of certain scenes from No Country for Old Men in terms of how chaotic and horrifying it was.

Well said. It's my favorite scene in the movie. Very eerie and sad.

 

[titansupes]

The dinner scene was so good.

 

[Another_Fool]

I'm surprised that 4 pages in and no one has brought up that X-24 is potentially an adaptation of Albert from the comics. In the comics, wasn't he the robot doppelganger of Wolverine created by Donald Pierce? Did anyone see that also? Granted, in Logan its not Pierce who creates him but while watching there was enough connection where I assumed X-24 was pretty much "Albert" but as a clone instead of a robot. Probably why it didn't bug me when he showed up.

 

[righthooksrus86]

The dinner scene was so good.

I liked the whole bit about Xavier running a school for "special children" and then saying that Logan attended.That was a very charming and witty scene.

 

[Smilodon]

It's also a heartbreaking convo and all improvised by the actors.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Watched the movie for a 2nd time on Sunday and that entire dinner table scene was just beautiful but also sad. Beautiful because they all shared a nice moment but sad because it was their last nice moment

 

[LoganGambit87]

x24 was awesome it felt like a horror movie when he showed up

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

x24 was awesome it felt like a horror movie when he showed up

In a film with lots of surprises (I chose not to follow any production reports etc.) despite the hint the film dropped earlier, the moment X-24 appeared was shocking and horror inducing and I think that was important to how I felt about the character going forward. For me it worked.

 

[Darkness Falls]

didn't follow anything besides the two trailers so his inclusion completely caught me off guard

loved his introduction/sheer brutality

 

[auditor]

What's the point of using them if you're just going to brainwash them? More importantly, how would that be any better than X-24? They would act exactly like X-24, only devoid of all meaning and anything that makes all three of these characters even remotely interesting. It would be just fan service of the worst kind and Tyler Mane's Sabretooth all over again. Also, they already had gone the way of the clone with Laura. They are both clones. She's X-23. He's X-24. It makes sense for the story. It's simple and elegant. All the pieces are already there. X-24 is actually the reason they decided to kill the new mutant program and get rid of the children. He's an intrinsic part of the plot and not just some interchangeable random thug. With either Sabretooth or Omega Red you would have to have a whole lot of contrived exposition to even start explaining what the hell they're doing in this movie. It just doesn't feel as natural. I much rather have a new antagonist that has a place in the story that's being told than a bad guy from the comics just because he's from the comics. It would break the neat little standalone box this movie is packaged in.



Exactly. That's what I've been saying. Sabretooth would be older than Wolverine and would need to have changed and evolved as a character through the years to even earn a place in this story. That is if he even survived whatever wiped out nearly all the mutants in the world. What happened to him during all this time? There's a whole bunch of stuff you need to explain and develop in order to bring Sabretooth into this movie in a compelling, satisfactory way. If Sabretooth was in this movie, I'd much rather see him as a nasty side character with an actual personality that maybe could be persuaded into helping Logan and Laura escape than just a mindless antagonist for Logan to fight.



Agreed on all counts. That moment and the following scene where Logan desperately tries to explain to Xavier that it wasn't him are a couple of my favorites in the movie, and they wouldn't even be possible if X-24 wasn't in it.

Nice explained. I agree on all that.

I also like how X-24 is essentially what Stryker intended for Logan. Its how he could have ended up. Its everything Logan tried not to become. It played so well into Logan's final words "dont be what they make you to be"

 

[Legion]

I'm surprised that 4 pages in and no one has brought up that X-24 is potentially an adaptation of Albert from the comics. In the comics, wasn't he the robot doppelganger of Wolverine created by Donald Pierce? Did anyone see that also? Granted, in Logan its not Pierce who creates him but while watching there was enough connection where I assumed X-24 was pretty much "Albert" but as a clone instead of a robot. Probably why it didn't bug me when he showed up.

It occurred to me but I don't think he's meant to be Albert for the reasons you stated. He's an extension of the clone storyline with X-23.

It's funny though because when I was a kid I had the Wolverine trading cards from the early 90s. There was a card of the comic cover that had Albert strangling Wolverine and I thought Wolverine was killed there. Years later Wolverine is killed by his doppelganger in the films.

 

[Smilodon]

Mangold tweeted a fan about how he considered Omega Red early on but didn't use him because he lacked the emotional punch, which is basically what we all assumed from wTching the film.

 

[Faora]

Remind me Terminator 1984. Unstoppable dreadful death machine.

 

[righthooksrus86]

Remind me Terminator 1984. Unstoppable dreadful death machine.

Wasn't there a scene in a more recent Terminator movie where a younger version of Arnold shows up too?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Nice explained. I agree on all that.

I also like how X-24 is essentially what Stryker intended for Logan. Its how he could have ended up. Its everything Logan tried not to become. It played so well into Logan's final words "dont be what they make you to be"

 

[psylockolussus]

Mangold tweeted a fan about how he considered Omega Red early on but didn't use him because he lacked the emotional punch, which is basically what we all assumed from wTching the film.

Oh God. Well at least he considered him. Though Sander Rice and Donald Pierce also lacked that "emotional punch". While I think X-24 as just another Wolverine clone that happened to look like Hugh Jackman.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Nice explained. I agree on all that.

I also like how X-24 is essentially what Stryker intended for Logan. Its how he could have ended up. Its everything Logan tried not to become. It played so well into Logan's final words "dont be what they make you to be"

That's going to be the crux of Laura's story moving forward. She's going to set out to get the revenge her father and mutant-kind deserves. But can she keep her humanity in tact as she travels down that road? Or in her quest for vengeance does she become the very thing Logan didn't want for her?

 

[search_4_truth]

I saw IGN and a few other sites try to wrongly imply that X-24 was played by a stunt double or made using CGI. James Mangold has spoken once and for all, explaining that Hugh Jackman played both Logan and X-24. I had followed some of the behind the scenes stuff while this movie was getting made and while CGI was used to swap a stunt double's head with Hugh's head in scenes where extremely dangerous stunts were done that Hugh was not allowed by studios to do for insurance purposes, Hugh still did most of the stunts himself and CGI was not used much the movie.

Here is Mangold's tweet:

https://***********/mang0ld/status/848563492508491780