World X-Men and Homosexuality: The Connection

[newwaveboy87]

ok, now i understand.

i hate when people do things for peer or religious pressures. i feel no inclanation to any organized religion. i have my faith, i don't feel a need for anyone to preach to me about it, or make me feel guilty over things.

 

[E. Bison]

Well if you do it because you have been pressured to do it by anyone else and YOU don' WANT TO, then you never will change. That's why some who try to never do because they are not doing it for themselves, they are doing it for the world that doesn't like them. Those people it's not possible to change because they haven't made a conscious decision to do so. It's the same with drug addicts and alcoholics. The same process with those people is the same with homosexuals.

 

[E. Bison]

ok, now i understand.

i hate when people do things for peer or religious pressures. i feel no inclanation to any organized religion. i have my faith, i don't feel a need for anyone to preach to me about it, or make me feel guilty over things.

Well I certainly have dissapointments with stupid religious groups who organize anti-gay rallies in favor of hate. It's those people that make people like me look stupid and extremist like them. Yes, I don't agree with that lifestyle but I don't want to hurt anyone for it regardless of their position on it. It's those groups you should disfavor because of their actions. I find it appalling that some groups protest outside of some openly gay person's funeral. Here where I live their was a funeral for a guy that died in the war in Iraq and he was gay. Extremist groups gathered up outside his funeral. That was appalling.

 

[newwaveboy87]

Well if you do it because you have been pressured to do it by anyone else and YOU don' WANT TO, then you never will change. That's why some who try to never do because they are not doing it for themselves, they are doing it for the world that doesn't like them. Those people it's not possible to change because they haven't made a conscious decision to do so. It's the same with drug addicts and alcoholics. The same process with those people is the same with homosexuals.

you make good points, but at times, i just find it hard to believe that one can change their sexuality. wouldn't that be like asking someone to change their hair color permantly? or their eye color? there's temporary changes that can be made, but sooner or later, the truth will come back.

i didn't see this post before.
again, i think a lot of them are just lying to themselves and deluding themselves into believing whatever they want to. happens often in life with several things.

 

[Pyrox]

newwave, I would because if I could, I'd rather not be...simple as that
(Not to say that I even am 100% at this point)

 

[newwaveboy87]

i think everyone at some point in time would rather not be, but you'd just be denying a piece of who you are. embrace and love the whole, not just the parts that you like.

 

[Pyrox]

But if I could change it, I wouldn't be denying anything.
Sure if I lied to myself the rest of my life, which I've considered, that'd be denial, but if I could...I honestly think I'd be ok

 

[newwaveboy87]

i used to think about changing. all the time.
it's a normal thing to do. from 12-17 i wanted to change it desparately.

it's only been within the last 2-3 yrs that i've gotten to this point.

 

[Pyrox]

I can't even say at this point if I am, or not you know?
It's just...weird

 

[newwaveboy87]

i know the stage that you're at.
it's very weird.


this is going to sound bizarre....but...you're the kind of person that makes me want to be a youth counselor.

 

[Pyrox]

Nah, not bizarre...cool actualy!
The reason it's weird, is well...quite franky despite all of this..I can't be sure if I really am.
And that's annoying

 

[newwaveboy87]

"can't really be sure"...how?

 

[Pyrox]

Well I'm attracted to guys, and 'watch' them...
but I can't really see myself in a relationship with one, you know?
Wheras girls, I'm attracted to them, and can see myself with them.
(Yet, don't 'watch' them)

 

[newwaveboy87]

so, what you're saying is that you're me in middle school.

 

[Pyrox]

lol, we could go with that

 

[newwaveboy87]

i thought i was bisexual until i was 15.
the whole process is very confusing, isolating, and depressing...sadly...but there's always hope that things will get better.

 

[Pyrox]

So really at this point I could end up either way?
My feelings for guys will increase to the point of a relationship, or it could simply taper off?
...or I could stay this way the rest of my life

 

[newwaveboy87]

yeah, it could just be a phase, they could increase, you could be a bisexual.
any way you look at it, it's not a bad thing. you're just going through a confused state right now. although...with as long as you've been thinking/feeling these things...it might not be a phase per say.

 

[E. Bison]

you make good points, but at times, i just find it hard to believe that one can change their sexuality. wouldn't that be like asking someone to change their hair color permantly? or their eye color? there's temporary changes that can be made, but sooner or later, the truth will come back.

Well, no because its a subcounsious inclination. That's all. THAT can be changed. Changing your sexuality is no different from going vegetarian. It's a preference not genetic. Humans are inclined to drink milk and eat meat but we don't find it impossible to quit that. Hair color, skin and eye color ARE genetic. Sexuality is not. By default humans are meant to be heterosexual which is evident by how the male and female body compliment each other. So homosexuals would only be going back to what was natural by default to begin with. It is also evident by our teeth and body that humans were meant to be vegetarians so not eating meat would be going back to what was meant for us naturally by default.

 

[Pyrox]

Yeah, it all started back then with a friend of mine...
hey, as I think about it, everything started around that time.
Huh...do you think a semi, not abuse per se, senerio when I was younger have caused me to have the sexual feelings, even though I have nothing towards guys relationship wise?

 

[newwaveboy87]

Well, no because its a subcounsious inclination. That's all. THAT can be changed. Changing your sexuality is no different from going vegetarian. It's a preference not genetic. Humans are inclined to drink milk and eat meat but we don't find it impossible to quit that. Hair color, skin and eye color ARE genetic. Sexuality is not. By default humans are meant to be heterosexual which is evident by how the male and female body compliment each other. So homosexuals would only be going back to what was natural by default to begin with. It is also evident by our teeth and body that humans were meant to be vegetarians so not eating meat would be going back to what was meant for us naturally by default.

i have to respectfully disagree with your opinion on this matter. while it may be slightly a subconcious inclination there has been scientific evidence which shows that homosexuality might acutally be a birth defect caused by a hormone the mother process incorrectly while pregnant. also, homosexuality occurs in animals besides humans. this is a proven fact through various studies. i could bring the research if you'd like. so stating that we're subconcious choosing to be this way does not work. do the animals subconciously choose to engage in homosexual activities? i believe that sexuality is predetermined, and not a choice in the way you're thinking of.

i think you have a point that people can choose to be gay. you choose to accept it or to not accept it and act upon it. you do not choose for it to happen to you, in my opinion.

 

[newwaveboy87]

Yeah, it all started back then with a friend of mine...
hey, as I think about it, everything started around that time.
Huh...do you think a semi, not abuse per se, senerio when I was younger have caused me to have the sexual feelings, even though I have nothing towards guys relationship wise?

it is quite possible.
but you don't have to give me the gory details about that one. although i would like to hear about your friend, and when everything started.

 

[Pyrox]

it is quite possible.
but you don't have to give me the gory details about that one. although i would like to hear about your friend, and when everything started.

Well I'd like to continue the therapy,lol But the publicness makes me a bit weary...ya know?

 

[newwaveboy87]

Well I'd like to continue the therapy,lol But the publicness makes me a bit weary...ya know?

that's what pm's were invented for.

 

[Pyrox]

lol, it'll be sent in a sec