World X-Men and Homosexuality: The Connection

[imaperson2]

that's what pm's were invented for.

plus just remember, if you do decide to share with us, that people are here to help other people. just ignore the idiots. but anyways, i would just like to share that a certain "relationship" i had with someone when i was really young, made me like other guys. you know this whole discussion reminds me of x-men actually. rogue is thinking of curing herself to get rid of her "disease".

 

[newwaveboy87]

i hope to god Rogue doesn't take The Cure in the movie. if she does...i'm angered beyond all belief.

 

[Pyrox]

Never touching anybody? For movieverse Rogue I could see her going to that.
(Though the official book has given me hope!)

 

[newwaveboy87]

i just think with their analogy being what it is...it sends a bad message.

 

[undomiel]

Hey everyone. I have a friend that asked me to do some research for a presentation on the similarities of X-Men and homosexuality. He knows of what a huge X-Men fan I am and knew where to look.

Anyway, I know of the obvious reasons X-Men and homosexuals have similar struggles (discrimination, coming out @ puberty, political struggles, Legacy Virus & AIDS). But does anyone know of more specific examples, or any more examples for that matter. Thank you.

Also, if you have a problem with this topic, or want to use this thread as a place to emit negative opinions on how X-Men and gays dont correlate, please don't. Do it on your own time somewhere else. This is a simple question for a term paper. Thanks again.

Uhhh...I'm not here to tell anyone how to do their term paper, but as a college grad with a background in research, I would encourage you to gather data from all sides, not just those in support of a particular view. Otherwise, it could seem as though you were discriminating against those with an alternative viewpoint and attempting to silence them. Just a thought!

 

[squeekness]

i just think with their analogy being what it is...it sends a bad message.

I don't think Ian McKellen would have agreed to do the film if that was the case. He's been knighted because of his activities as a gay activist and said he was gleefully doing this movie because of the parallell between homosexuality and mutation. He described the story as being very relevant to current events and I doubt he would have been so happy to do it if the statement was to "cure" homosexuality instead of just accepting homosexuality as the way things are and should be accepted.

 

[Kritish]

So because we don't have 50 foot tall, sci-fi robots killing gay people there is no similarity between the persecution and discrimination that homosexuals deal with everyday? I see. Well, in that case, I guess our superpowers don't count, or the intergalactic battles we have, or our technology borrowed from the Shi'ar. None of that stuff counts? Darn!

Oh, and we do have the "League(<-correct spelling) of Evil Homosexuals" chasing people. Their called Christian Republicans. ( www.godhatesfags.com ) Check that site out, I don't know if their is anything more evil then that.

Grow up and get real.

Nambla is the leage of evil homos.

 

[newwaveboy87]

I don't think Ian McKellen would have agreed to do the film if that was the case. He's been knighted because of his activities as a gay activist and said he was gleefully doing this movie because of the parallell between homosexuality and mutation. He described the story as being very relevant to current events and I doubt he would have been so happy to do it if the statement was to "cure" homosexuality instead of just accepting homosexuality as the way things are and should be accepted.

i know which gives me hope that this whole Rogue takes The Cure willing business is just from an out-dated draft.

 

[littyx]

Well, no because its a subcounsious inclination. That's all. THAT can be changed. Changing your sexuality is no different from going vegetarian. It's a preference not genetic. Humans are inclined to drink milk and eat meat but we don't find it impossible to quit that. Hair color, skin and eye color ARE genetic. Sexuality is not. By default humans are meant to be heterosexual which is evident by how the male and female body compliment each other. So homosexuals would only be going back to what was natural by default to begin with. It is also evident by our teeth and body that humans were meant to be vegetarians so not eating meat would be going back to what was meant for us naturally by default.

I CANNOT believe there are people around here that still think like this. Are you realizing what you are saying? You are saying that for homosexuals, its as easy for us to become "straight" as it is for someone to stop drinking milk and eating hamburgers. Do you know any homosexual people? Are you a homosexual yourself? Because if you are not, I would really like to know how you see it fit as comparing our significant internal struggle to something as simple as that. If you have read up on any ACTUAL evidence of the outcome of these "conversion therapy" (more like torture) organizations then you would know that they do not work. And it does not matter if you are willing to change. It has nothing to do with that. AND, it does not compare to an alcoholic willing to quit, or a drug addict. We are NOT alcoholics and drug addicts! We are not hurting ourselves or others. We are homosexuals, and we do not need to be CURED!

Just so you know, I wanted to quote the American Psychological Association (APA). So this is not coming from some biased homosexual or religious site. This is a study done in 1990 by the leaders of American Psychology. This is what there findings on conversion therapy were.

"In 1990, the American Psychological Association stated that scientific evidence does not show that conversion therapy works and that it can do more harm than good. Changing one's sexual orientation is not simply a matter of changing one's sexual behavior. It would require altering one's emotional, romantic and sexual feelings and restructuring one's self-concept and social identity."

 

[E. Bison]

I CANNOT believe there are people around here that still think like this. Are you realizing what you are saying? You are saying that for homosexuals, its as easy for us to become "straight" as it is for someone to stop drinking milk and eating hamburgers. Do you know any homosexual people? Are you a homosexual yourself? Because if you are not, I would really like to know how you see it fit as comparing our significant internal struggle to something as simple as that. If you have read up on any ACTUAL evidence of the outcome of these "conversion therapy" (more like torture) organizations then you would know that they do not work. And it does not matter if you are willing to change. It has nothing to do with that. AND, it does not compare to an alcoholic willing to quit, or a drug addict. We are NOT alcoholics and drug addicts! We are not hurting ourselves or others. We are homosexuals, and we do not need to be CURED!

Just so you know, I wanted to quote the American Psychological Association (APA). So this is not coming from some biased homosexual or religious site. This is a study done in 1990 by the leaders of American Psychology. This is what there findings on conversion therapy were.

"In 1990, the American Psychological Association stated that scientific evidence does not show that conversion therapy works and that it can do more harm than good. Changing one's sexual orientation is not simply a matter of changing one's sexual behavior. It would require altering one's emotional, romantic and sexual feelings and restructuring one's self-concept and social identity."

You obviously didn't read my previous post before that one. I don't aree it is permanent nor genetic because I do know ex-homosexuals. I posted the experience of a certain one who used to be gay but no longer is. I used to believe it was permanent as well once but from the evidence that these people gave me it's obvious that its a strong inclination but it's not genetic. Otherwise, he and other fellow ex-homosexuals would not have changed. Read my previous post to get a better understandment. How do you explain such people who used to be homosexual but no longer are?

 

[squeekness]

^^ I don't believe they no longer are gay, at least, not if they really were to begin with. Either you are gay or you aren't. If these folks are no longer practicing, and they were really gay, it can only be that they have somehow gained control over the urge and can resist it when it comes. They must still have the same feelings, just that they no longer act on them which is NOT the same thing as being no longer gay.

 

[newwaveboy87]

^^ I don't believe they no longer are gay, at least, not if they really were to begin with. Either you are gay or you aren't. If these folks are no longer practicing, and they were really gay, it can only be that they have somehow gained control over the urge and can resist it when it comes. They must still have the same feelings, just that they no longer act on them which is NOT the same thing as being no longer gay.

glad someone said it!

 

[E. Bison]

Again, you didn't read my previous post. I know it's not a popular social concept these days but its not impossible and it has been done. As usual, all ex-gays are accused of either being: secretly bisexual all along, pretending, in denial, or never truly gay to begin with. Now with the guy I talked about previously he had been gay since he was 8 years old and would have up to 5 different partners a day for over 20 years.

 

[echostation]

I don't think it's just for homosexuals... the x-men films that is...

I clearly think of it as more... far more, it encompasses all sorts of biases, racism especially... that's how I always looked it as a kid... yeah, I did... that's how i related to it cuz of my multi-ethnic heritage and the kind oppression, xenophobic attitudes... fear of the unknown. I've been held at knife point and at gun point due to my race so that even made me relate to X-men even more... but I always still connected more to Spidey but X-men was a huge thing on racism... not just homosexuality at all.

 

[littyx]

E. Bison, what exactly does him having 5 different partners a day really have to do with him being a homosexual?

 

[E. Bison]

E. Bison, what exactly does him having 5 different partners a day really have to do with him being a homosexual?

Well isn't THAT a stupid question. I don't know? I mean the fact that he was having around 5 different men a day for over 20 YEARS ring a bell?

 

[newwaveboy87]

so...all homosexual men are supposed to have at least 5 partners a day?
i must have missed that memo.

 

[E. Bison]

No, of course not, but THIS GUY was so it was obvious that he was a sexual addict as well.

 

[newwaveboy87]

i've said before that i disagree with you, and i still do. i think sometimes people take other's word as fact, and forget about possibilities like lying and the concept of a facade.

for example, when a man gets married has kids and then one day wakes up and announces that he's been a homosexual all along and has had affairs with men before hand.

i dont believe that people have cured themselves. i think they're deluiding themselves into believing what they secretly want.

 

[E. Bison]

It's kinda hard to hide your lifestyle for over twenty years and nobody notice. Like I said, it's not easy; sexuality is something ingrained in us so turning that around is never easy. It takes years of support and work to turn. And you're right that you don't just quit practicing it but you must quit feeling it, desiring it, and thinking of it. When your whole life has revolved around one direction it's not easy going back another.

Well of course they haven't cured themselves, there's nothing TO cure. It's not genetic it an inclination. Inclinations can be turned, twisted, reversed, etc. The only known form of sexual genetic disorders are hermaphrodism and intersex disorders but those are rare. It's the same with pedophiles and criminals who try to claim the whole "genetic disorder" excuse as well. Yet nobody tries to make medications for ant-criminal behavior or sex offenders. It's cuz those people have to do it themselves as well.

 

[newwaveboy87]

the brain waves of homosexuals are different than those of heterosexuals.
chew on that for a while.

 

[E. Bison]

the brain waves of homosexuals are different than those of heterosexuals.
chew on that for a while.

Actualy, that derived from the same theoretical evidence that the brains of homosexuals were different from heterosexuals but that was inconclusive because the subjects used were that of dead people and some who died of AIDS already. No, actually the theory of brainwaves being different is also inconclusive because the brainwaves of ALL individuals are different. The only conclusive difference in brain activity, hormonal changes, and brain chemical fluxuations is that in men from women. So there's only a difference in brain activity between males and females. The only know disorders where there was a difference was again hermaphrodites and intersex people.

Like I said, there's nothing to worry about. There's nothing to cure cuz there isn't anything to cure. That's not how it works. Nobody is gonna change you nor can they. Only individuals can change themselves.

 

[newwaveboy87]

your constant back peddling, and cancelling out of your arguments makes me wonder why you came to this thread in the first place. at first you claim that only people can change and then you bring up that individuals changed because of religious pressures. which is it? which was it?

you seem sadly misinformed about the cause of homosexuality, and what it is.

i am going to ignore your posts from now on in this thread. i would love to disprove you but i feel as if this is going nowhere and i can't change your mindset. if Gary or Squeeks wants to continue on with you, fine. i personally, can't take you anymore.

 

[littyx]

It's kinda hard to hide your lifestyle for over twenty years and nobody notice. Like I said, it's not easy; sexuality is something ingrained in us so turning that around is never easy. It takes years of support and work to turn. And you're right that you don't just quit practicing it but you must quit feeling it, desiring it, and thinking of it. When your whole life has revolved around one direction it's not easy going back another.

Well of course they haven't cured themselves, there's nothing TO cure. It's not genetic it an inclination. Inclinations can be turned, twisted, reversed, etc. The only known form of sexual genetic disorders are hermaphrodism and intersex disorders but those are rare. It's the same with pedophiles and criminals who try to claim the whole "genetic disorder" excuse as well. Yet nobody tries to make medications for ant-criminal behavior or sex offenders. It's cuz those people have to do it themselves as well.

Ok, lets start with the obvious. If you are trying to have an adult conversation about a heated current issue, can we please stop with the Street Fighter pictures.

Second, you stated earlier that going from Homosexuality to heterosexuality, was as easy as a meat eater becoming a vegetarian. Now your saying that it is not easy at all, but in fact, difficult.

Also, your now comparing hermaphrodites to pedophiles and sex offenders. How many people can you offend here?

 

[E. Bison]

your constant back peddling, and cancelling out of your arguments makes me wonder why you came to this thread in the first place. at first you claim that only people can change and then you bring up that individuals changed because of religious pressures. which is it? which was it?

you seem sadly misinformed about the cause of homosexuality, and what it is.

i am going to ignore your posts from now on in this thread. i would love to disprove you but i feel as if this is going nowhere and i can't change your mindset. if Gary or Squeeks wants to continue on with you, fine. i personally, can't take you anymore.

My constant back peddling and canceling out at what? For crying outloud I can't keep up with all of you at the same time. Just remind me if I didn't answer something. And littyx I didn't say changing sexuality was easy like changing eating habits. I said it was the same as going back to what was natural BUT it isn't easy. Yeah people change for religous purposes but since nobody outside in the world cares about that you have nothing TO change.