World X-Men and Homosexuality: The Connection

[imaperson2]

bengan! you are back

 

[bengan]

bengan! you are back

aaw thanks . So whos your favourite x-woman?

 

[Pyrox]

he also won't admit he's gay. good luck with him.

....he took my job

 

[newwaveboy87]

....he took my job

i like him better than you

 

[Pyrox]

well he is gay but won't admit it....I won't admit it because I'm not.
Like I said last time I posted....things happen in a month

 

[newwaveboy87]

 

[Pyrox]

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[Specter313]

Just climb on top of each other and get it over with already.

 

[newwaveboy87]

ewwww

 

[Pyrox]

Gag me with a spoon

 

[bengan]

aa come on guys. its christmaseve here in sweden. Be nice to eachother. MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!! Or God jul as we say in Sweden

 

[newwaveboy87]

i :heart: you bengan

 

[bengan]

aaaaw thanks Jason ,I love your avyt:


is it just me or would this video be sooo much better without the animlas?
Marit

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

I hate how people can accept homosexuality with the X-Men,i doubt Stan Lee or Chris Claremont really invisioned the X-men like that.Is this some new age views on the X-men?Because personally...i dont like it.

 

[bengan]

Well, what do you mean? Stan Lee invented the X-men to open kids mind about peoples rights movement(and offcourse make some money for Marvel inc.). You can draw lines to every minority in society.

(And everyone who wants to talk about this, please dont write things like "gays are disgusting little fairies" or "you are so ****ing stupid, Im gonna trow all my Madona albums in your face and then sprinkle it with glitter". Thanks )

 

[bengan]

well, this didnt spark up as I thought it would. Well well...

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! I hope you have a great year. Find your love and have a great time with your friends. thats all that matters

 

[ChlorineFriday]

I found something interesting in one of my Christmas preasents that fits rather well here. The following quotes are from the book X-Men: The Characters and Their Universe (which is an amazing book everyone should get)

(page 109; in the picture description) Sightless but psychic, Destiny was not only a member of Mystique's brotherhood, she was Mystique's lover.

(page 118) Mystique's romantic life is one of the more interesting ones in the X-Universe. Over the years she has been linked with many men, both mutant and non, but her most lasting and most serious relationship was with Destiny/Irene Adler. Clearly it is not simply within the realm of good-vs.-evil that Mystique has swung both ways.

I say it's interesting because this book is the only official Marvel thing I know of that clearly states Mystique & Destiny were lovers, and I think it's kinda cool for it to just be said in a way pretty much everyone will understand.

 

[newwaveboy87]

i forgot this thread even existed until i viewed all of my subscribed ones...

 

[Generation Lee]

Until we live in the upotian world of Star Trek this things lasting longer than the energiser bunny.

 

[newwaveboy87]

Gay actors? Public OK but biz still wary
By MELISSA RAYWORTH, For The Associated PressWed Feb 7, 4:10 PM ET

Some high-profile gay actors have exited the closet recently and the fan reaction has been ... almost nonexistent.

A gay man playing a randy heterosexual on TV? The industry still has its problems but viewers are just shrugging.

On the most recent episode of ABC's "Grey's Anatomy," T.R. Knight's character eloped to Las Vegas with his gorgeous girlfriend. One week earlier, after repeated rounds of vigorous sex, he proposed to her in a scene that was romantic, believable — and groundbreaking.

Knight is an openly gay actor — now. He outed himself to People magazine after co-star Isaiah Washington uttered an anti-gay slur on the set of their ABC series last October. Yet nearly all the attention to the controversy has focused on Washington's transgression.

There's been nary a comment about Knight's own love life. Instead, fans are reveling in the sparks flying between his character and Dr. Torres (Sara Ramirez): "I hope she says yes. I really think he loves her!" said a recent posting about the characters' engagement on the show's chat room. "They're such a nice couple!" raved another.

Clearly these are no longer the days when Rock Hudson had no choice but to feign interest in starlets in order to protect his career.

"Things have changed," Ellen DeGeneres, whose coming out a decade ago was a major cultural moment, told Knight last month on her talk show.

Knight isn't alone in having his sexuality greeted with a public yawn. Last November, actor Neil Patrick Harris described himself in a brief statement to People magazine as a "contented gay man." Past "American Idol" finalist R.J. Helton made a similar announcement weeks earlier, and former N'Sync star Lance Bass did the same last August.

Each became barely a blip on the pop-culture radar.

The mellow response to these celebrity self-outings is a far cry from what happened after DeGeneres' "Yep, I'm Gay" announcement on the cover of Time magazine. Back then, some predicted the end of DeGeneres' career. Ten years later, she's anything but unemployed: She's hosting next month's Oscars, currently helming her own Emmy-winning talk show and serving as one of the celeb faces of American Express.

Strangely enough, some gay actors say that while America's comfort level has improved considerably, the entertainment industry hasn't caught up. It may be 2007, they say, but the vibe inside studio casting offices can feel surprisingly like 1957.

These actors say being outed remains a huge threat to a performer's career, particularly for men. An announcement, even a rumor, can eliminate them from the running for straight roles — the roles that make up the vast majority of available work.

"I have friends in the industry — casting directors, for an example — who are gay, who will not cast another person and the reason given is, `Oh, he's too gay,'" says veteran performer Andre de Shields, an openly gay actor who's earned two Tony award nominations. "A lot of this has to do with self-loathing."

Despite its reputation for leading the world down a hedonistic path, "Hollywood is one of the most homophobic places on the planet," de Shields says. "And these are the folks who could make the biggest difference in artists' lives."

Established gay male stars like Rupert Everett face this kind of bias (as Everett laments in his recent autobiography), as do those still making their mark.

"I was told I was `too light' for `Judging Amy,'" says Kevin Fabian, an openly gay actor who has appeared on episodes of "The West Wing," "Will & Grace" and other prime-time shows. "I looked at the casting director and said, `Have you watched your show?'"

That sort of experience leaves gay actors questioning how much progress has really been made.

"From an actor's point of view, I understand why they are scared to death of saying anything for fear of being pigeonholed," says casting director Matt Messinger. "Gay people are cast as straight all the time. But if you're asking if things have improved for openly gay actors, I can't say it's any easier now."

When Knight revealed his sexual orientation last fall, he offered a brief but pointed statement: "I hope the fact that I'm gay isn't the most interesting part of me."

For actor and singer Kye Brackett, the decision to mention his bisexuality to casting directors comes down to exactly Knight's point: Will industry people be so distracted by the fact that he dates men that they won't see him as a performer?

Brackett remembers seeing a billboard for the Tom Cruise film "Born on the Fourth of July" in 1989.

"There was a whole rumor that had begun about Tom Cruise being gay. And I remember driving up the street and seeing his picture and my first thought was, `There's Tom Cruise. He's gay,'" says Brackett. "All these things he actually worked for got immediately overshadowed by a rumor. ... Who would want to deal with that as an actor?"

Because of that bias, Brackett says, agents are unlikely to recommend openly gay clients for straight roles. "They don't want to be the one who says, `This person is gay and that's fine.'"

Despite the risk, some actors feel there's little choice but to deal directly with their sexuality. Fabian says he temporarily hid his sexual preference during acting school. The result, he says: "My acting was terrible. You're constantly putting layer on top of layer."

The current crop of tabloid magazines and nightly entertainment-news shows have brought the decades-old fascination with performers' personal lives to a new level. They love focusing on the subject of who's gay and who isn't, though there appears to be a double standard in their approach.

Actresses may acquire a bit of positive buzz and be "seen as sexy" after rumors of gay romance, says Lillian Faderman, co-author of the book "Gay L.A." But men in the same situation are perceived differently.

"Things have certainly improved for women in Hollywood, but far less so for men," says Faderman. "But it's interesting that the most prominent examples I can give — Ellen DeGeneres, Melissa Etheridge, Lily Tomlin — they don't play romantic leads."

A National Enquirer cover last August trumpeted "Hollywood's Secret `Gay List'" in bold, black letters above photos of various leading men. Inside, they reported the estimated odds of these celebrities coming out.

Network executives, Fabian says, fear negative coverage in the tabloids. And they prefer not to cast openly gay actors in straight roles because they want those tabloids to publicize their stars' social lives positively.

"You go in for a pilot, and you're told the casting director loves you, the producer loves you," says Fabian. "Then you go to network, and you have to sign your 5-year deal first. I think that's where the real discussion is going on: `We really liked him, but ... he's really funny, but ... how can we get him out there with the girls when he's sitting home with his boyfriend every day?"

Knight's case will be an interesting litmus test of whether recent celebrity outings will encourage the industry to change its approach.

Before his announcement, Knight had already developed a fan base. TV viewers have also warmed to Harris' performance as a straight, womanizing character on the CBS sitcom "How I Met Your Mother," now in its second season. Comments posted on imdb.com describe Harris as the best thing about the show.

Should these shows run for several more years and audience support remain strong, Hollywood may have no choice but to continue offering both men the straight romantic roles they play so well.

That could open a door to broader casting options for all actors, something Fabian would welcome. "In the end, I want to work. I want to be successful as an actor," he says. "I want to have vacations and not worry about the credit cards not working."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070207/ap_en_ot/out_actors

 

[newwaveboy87]

interesting article about how the gay community sucks nowadays.

it says a lot of what i've been saying lately.

i can't stand gay bars. they make me feel so unpretty and incredibly self concious. nothing will make you feel terrible about your body, looks, sense of style, and skin color then going to a gay bar in West Hollywood.

 

[newwaveboy87]

Jews Support Ordination of Gays
By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
February 1, 2007

A study of more than 5,500 leaders in Conservative Judaism found that about two-thirds of the movement’s rabbis, cantors and seminary students in the United States favored the ordination of gay men and lesbians. Support was even higher among educators and lay leaders. The study was commissioned by the Jewish Theological Seminary, based in New York, which is now deciding whether to admit openly gay students. Last December, the movement’s law committee adopted three conflicting legal opinions on the issue, one of which opened the door to ordaining gay people.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/01/us/01brfs-JUDAISM.html?ex=1170997200&en=453bb819bce943fc&ei=5070

i personally like that this one is about Jews and was written by one. ROFLcopter.

 

[JP]

interesting article about how the gay community sucks nowadays.

it says a lot of what i've been saying lately.

i can't stand gay bars. they make me feel so unpretty and incredibly self concious. nothing will make you feel terrible about your body, looks, sense of style, and skin color then going to a gay bar in West Hollywood.

Rupert Everett is gay? Well, I never much cared for him to know about his personal life, anyway.

 

[newwaveboy87]

Rupert Everett's been out since....since....since i can remember. and anytime he does a big budget studio movie he always plays "fey." he's so damn obvious.

like when people say "You know Sean Hayes is gay."
well.....durh.

 

[JP]

Don't care much for Hayes either.