World X-Men and Homosexuality: The Connection

[cyclonesfury]

IMO they didnt seem to cover it pretty well to an emotional level

 

[squeekness]

I don't know that that was the movie's intent. I think it was tossed out there for us to discuss outside on the way home.

 

[cyclonesfury]

anyway who do u think is the hottest x man

 

[ico]

Wow, this conversation just took a huge turn from serious and deep to playful lol

As to what you guys were talking about before, the only one thing I would say was wrong with X3 was the fact that they tried to cram to potential monumental storylines together into one short movie.

imo, the Phoenix saga and the Cure storyline should've been two different movies. Maybe Phoenix saga first, and her destroying loadsa stuff a la finalé of X3, and then her death, and hence her actions caused the Government to go into a terrified frenzy and come up with the cure and Sentinels, etc.

As for hottest X-Man. Hmmmm. I think as of right now, I would say Iceman.

 

[cyclonesfury]

id put cyclops first then iceman then poitr

 

[squeekness]

What does the hottest X-men have to do with homosexuality? *laughs* This conversation should be moved to the Off topic thread.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

X-Women

Jean Grey/Phoenix, Kitty Pryde/Shadowcat, Dr. Moira McTaggert

X-Men

Scott Summers/Cyclops, Bobby/Iceman and Logan/Wolverine

 

[newwaveboy87]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060710/ts_nm/rights_gays_massachusetts_dc

Gay marriage fights intensify
By Jason Szep
Mon Jul 10, 6:47 PM ET



BOSTON (Reuters) - Massachusetts' highest court ruled on Monday that voters could decide whether to ban gay marriage in the first and only state to legalize it, while a California court weighed the constitutionality of such a ban.

The latest developments in the state-by-state battle over homosexual unions came four days after two major legal setbacks for backers of same-sex marriage in New York and Georgia and reflect entrenched divisions on the issue nationwide.

The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court's unanimous ruling frees state lawmakers to vote on a constitutional amendment on Wednesday that would ban both gay marriage and civil unions.

If 50 lawmakers in the state's 200-member Legislature approve the measure, it goes to a second legislative vote in 2007. If it clears that hurdle, it will be added to a 2008 ballot for a popular vote.

"We're elated," said Kristian Mineau, president of the Massachusetts Family Institute, a conservative Christian organization. "We've got a lot of momentum going."

Despite their legal ruling, two Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court justices cautioned that even if voters approve a ban on gay marriage, such a law would look "starkly out of place" in the state constitution and could cause the court to revisit the issue.

In a concurring opinion, Justices John Greaney and Roderick Ireland said same-sex marriage may be irreversible in Massachusetts because it was now part of the "fabric of the equality and liberty" guaranteed by the state constitution.

"The only effect of a positive vote will be to make same-sex couples, and their families, unequal to everyone else; this is discrimination in its rawest form," they said.

CALIFORNIA WEIGHS SIX CASES

In 2003, Massachusetts' Supreme Judicial Court ruled that a ban on gay marriage was unconstitutional, paving the way for America's first same-sex marriages the following year. More than 8,000 gay and lesbian couples have since wed.

Connecticut and Vermont allow same-sex civil unions, while California, Hawaii, Maine, New Jersey and Washington, D.C. offer gay and lesbian couples some legal rights as partners. But these steps have provoked an angry backlash from voters elsewhere in the nation.

Marriage is defined as the union of one man and one woman in at least 41 states and voters in at least 18 have overwhelmingly approved "defense of marriage" amendments to their state constitutions. Several more states will vote on the issue in November.

Last week, Georgia's Supreme Court unanimously reaffirmed a state ban on same-sex marriage and New York's Court of Appeals ruled that denying same-sex couples the right to marry does not violate the state constitution.

The legal fight over marriage intensified in California on Monday as its Court of Appeal weighed six cases on whether its state constitution, which bars discrimination, can exclude same-sex couples from marriage.

"I would not be surprised if the Court of the Appeal would say ... we should have same-sex marriage," said David Levine, a law professor at University of California, Hastings College.

 

[commento]

As much as I hope the fight continues to allow gays the same rights as others. I still think lets all get together and find somewhere just for us.

Yeah I know new york, and California come close I really am joking but it would be cool if it ever happend, but what would it be called?

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Happy Land

 

[bengan]

As much as I hope the fight continues to allow gays the same rights as others. I still think lets all get together and find somewhere just for us.

Yeah I know new york, and California come close I really am joking but it would be cool if it ever happend, but what would it be called?

No thats the dummest idea ever. Putting people together just becuse they havethe same skincolour, religion or sexuality is just a very stupid idea. Look at history and you will see what I mean. sure to be gay and open i soem part of this world is really hard to do. But does that mean that a person should stop trying? NO! Every person in this world should feel safe when he/she express their religion, walk on a street and have a different outfit/colour/gender then the majority or simply show that they are in love. Thats a thing that we, the modern world shoule and would be able to do.

 

[newwaveboy87]

No thats the dummest idea ever. Putting people together just becuse they havethe same skincolour, religion or sexuality is just a very stupid idea. Look at history and you will see what I mean. sure to be gay and open i soem part of this world is really hard to do. But does that mean that a person should stop trying? NO! Every person in this world should feel safe when he/she express their religion, walk on a street and have a different outfit/colour/gender then the majority or simply show that they are in love. Thats a thing that we, the modern world shoule and would be able to do.

PRECISELY!
separatism is not the answer, nor is it a very good idea.

 

[bengan]

Thanks for cheering me up over at Zu, NWB. Just look at the war over at Jordain(sp??) and you will get the point.

 

[newwaveboy87]

cheering you up over at what now?

 

[cyclonesfury]

wow...love can become so political

 

[littyx]

PRECISELY!
separatism is not the answer, nor is it a very good idea.

Well, it may seem like an "idea" to you guys, buts its already the truth. Go to any city and you have your very own "gay town". In Los Angeles, its West Hollywood. I have many friends that live there. Its kind of like living in this bubble. Where you feel comfortable walking down the street, or holding your boyfriends hand. But in a sad way, it's almost like a fake town. Where once you step out of it, your faced with the harsh reality's of the rest of the world.

 

[pyromaniac]

Wow, this conversation just took a huge turn from serious and deep to playful lol

As to what you guys were talking about before, the only one thing I would say was wrong with X3 was the fact that they tried to cram to potential monumental storylines together into one short movie.

You just answered the question for yourself.

Of course - it would have reduced the metaphorical meaning, subtext and that multilayered narrative that usually makes the story a little more rich and insightful.

Of course it would have made Angel's debut a moot point, and that the arcs of the new and old characters be altered to revolve around Dark Phoenix.

You're not thinking on a cinematic thematic level.

 

[newwaveboy87]

Well, it may seem like an "idea" to you guys, buts its already the truth. Go to any city and you have your very own "gay town". In Los Angeles, its West Hollywood. I have many friends that live there. Its kind of like living in this bubble. Where you feel comfortable walking down the street, or holding your boyfriends hand. But in a sad way, it's almost like a fake town. Where once you step out of it, your faced with the harsh reality's of the rest of the world.

unless you don't watch the news, or don't know any heterosexuals living in West Hollywood - the harsh reality is everywhere. the entire populations in this towns aren't made up of homosexuals. yes, there is a large population there, but it's not all the population which is what he was talking about. THAT would've been a terrible idea.

these towns with high populations of homosexuals are more similar to a Chinatown or a Little Italy. a high population of one group does live in the area, but it's not the complete population.

there's a difference. so, it's not a reality...yet. and hopefully, never will be.

 

[cyclonesfury]

segregation would make integration difficult

 

[Generation Lee]

As much as I hope the fight continues to allow gays the same rights as others. I still think lets all get together and find somewhere just for us.

Yeah I know new york, and California come close I really am joking but it would be cool if it ever happend, but what would it be called?

Over the rainbow lol. Anyway as someone who lives in the North of Ireland trust me when I say this is a really bad idea.

 

[imaperson2]

unless you don't watch the news, or don't know any heterosexuals living in West Hollywood - the harsh reality is everywhere. the entire populations in this towns aren't made up of homosexuals. yes, there is a large population there, but it's not all the population which is what he was talking about. THAT would've been a terrible idea.

these towns with high populations of homosexuals are more similar to a Chinatown or a Little Italy. a high population of one group does live in the area, but it's not the complete population.

there's a difference. so, it's not a reality...yet. and hopefully, never will be.

my uncle/godfather lives in west hollywood!!(yes...he's gay). i think its pretty cool having a gay uncle. do any of you have gay relatives?

 

[ico]

I don't have any gay relatives. I'm the only gay in the family. But pretty soon, I'll probably be a gay uncle to somebody!

 

[commento]

No thats the dummest idea ever. Putting people together just becuse they havethe same skincolour, religion or sexuality is just a very stupid idea. Look at history and you will see what I mean. sure to be gay and open i soem part of this world is really hard to do. But does that mean that a person should stop trying? NO! Every person in this world should feel safe when he/she express their religion, walk on a street and have a different outfit/colour/gender then the majority or simply show that they are in love. Thats a thing that we, the modern world shoule and would be able to do.

Now you could have said that a bit better? I didn't say anything about putting people together because they are the same. What I said was just a silly thought. I think it is important to fight for what is right but I also think life would be easier to have a place where gays can be gays. I applaude each and everyone of the people who have found for the most part peaceful ways of changing peoples minds and the rules of the land.

Yet at times I also feel that if someone is ignorant and not willing to open their mind, it is not my job to change their mind for them.

 

[newwaveboy87]

I don't have any gay relatives. I'm the only gay in the family. But pretty soon, I'll probably be a gay uncle to somebody!

how exciting!

 

[newwaveboy87]

Yet at times I also feel that if someone is ignorant and not willing to open their mind, it is not my job to change their mind for them.

then who's job is it?