Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[SumT]

what kind of ridiculous argument is that?

"Storm had introspective lines in the comics, so in this movie she cant have lines then. Lets just give them to Mystique and Magneto"
seriously, this board keeps surprising me after all this time lol

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

I have a question: do you guys think the reason why Fox may be avoiding the M’kran crystal storyline because it’s to “Star Wars-y” and the cast would be huge which means more undeveloped characters (The X-Men, Star Jammers Shi’Ar Empire/Imperial Guard, Juggernaut, Black Tom Cassidy,Moira, Banshee, if they go the TAS route). Even Brian wasn’t going to include the Shi’ar in his treatment of X3,/X4 and Emma was going to be a empath (which triggers her decent into Dark Phoenix) and a old flame of Charles’. Does Fox see the regular Phoenix story as “not interesting” because it’s just Jean upgraded but don’t see how all of that power slowly corrupts her?

Would you all be ok with Fox not using that particular storyline? Their are a lot stories in between the Phoenix and Dark Phoenix Saga, could one of those comic stories work? Or would a movie with just exploring Jean as Phoenix first getting that development before tackling the Dark Phoenix story?

 

[Mysteryman]

That does seem like an obscure storyline compared to everything else they have to choose from.

 

[Alison Blaire]

Bryan Singer en 2016 El director de Apocalipsis, Bryan Singer, dice que las películas futuras de X-Men podrían incluir elementos cósmicos - IGN

Singer told Fandango, “I imagine – and this is the first time I’ve actually answered the question this way – but another thing that’s been introduced in the comics is a big alien, interstellar tenant within the X-Men universe that hasn’t been explored. And to me, that might be kind of fun because I’m a huge Star Wars and Star Trek fan, and exploring the X-Men universe and being able to utilize that would be exciting, visually."

Possible cosmic elements for a future X-Men movie include the Dark Phoenix saga, the Shi'ar Empire, and even the Brood. It should also be noted that Cyclops and Havok's dad, Christopher Summers, became the space-faring Corsair and led the pirate crew called the Starjammers.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

Bryan Singer en 2016 El director de Apocalipsis, Bryan Singer, dice que las películas futuras de X-Men podrían incluir elementos cósmicos - IGN

Singer told Fandango, “I imagine – and this is the first time I’ve actually answered the question this way – but another thing that’s been introduced in the comics is a big alien, interstellar tenant within the X-Men universe that hasn’t been explored. And to me, that might be kind of fun because I’m a huge Star Wars and Star Trek fan, and exploring the X-Men universe and being able to utilize that would be exciting, visually."

Possible cosmic elements for a future X-Men movie include the Dark Phoenix saga, the Shi'ar Empire, and even the Brood. It should also be noted that Cyclops and Havok's dad, Christopher Summers, became the space-faring Corsair and led the pirate crew called the Starjammers.

Thanks. I didn’t see that article. It’s funny because back in the beginning of comic book movies everything had to be grounded and similar in tone to The Dark Knight. I only wished he thought like this back in 03 instead of 2016, but I guess everything comes with time.

 

[2kt09]

Thanks. I didn’t see that article. It’s funny because back in the beginning of comic book movies everything had to be grounded and similar in tone to The Dark Knight. I only wished he thought like this back in 03 instead of 2016, but I guess everything comes with time.

It was just the X-Men, but even he wanted to go cosmic with Famke's Dark Phoenix. He also obviously wanted to do sentinels.
He and some other guys hopped on to do Superman Returns instead.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

That's in line with what I was told, that Storm would have a bigger role particularly in the battle/action sequences than the last movie and seem more powerful.

Well we haven’t seen Storm do the following
Make rain
Thunderstorm
Chain of lightning
Make ice
Make a flood
Flash Freeze
Whirlwind
Ocean currents
Control wind from her hands
In space she can manipulate the interstellar and intergalactic patterns; solar winds, cosmic storms

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

It was just the X-Men, but even he wanted to go cosmic with Famke's Dark Phoenix. He also obviously wanted to do sentinels.
He and some other guys hopped on to do Superman Returns instead.

Don’t remind me biggest mistake of his career IMO. His Dark Phoenix storyline could have been the “infinity War” of that time.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I have a question: do you guys think the reason why Fox may be avoiding the M’kran crystal storyline because it’s to “Star Wars-y” and the cast would be huge which means more undeveloped characters (The X-Men, Star Jammers Shi’Ar Empire/Imperial Guard, Juggernaut, Black Tom Cassidy,Moira, Banshee, if they go the TAS route). Even Brian wasn’t going to include the Shi’ar in his treatment of X3,/X4 and Emma was going to be a empath (which triggers her decent into Dark Phoenix) and a old flame of Charles’. Does Fox see the regular Phoenix story as “not interesting” because it’s just Jean upgraded but don’t see how all of that power slowly corrupts her?

In a fairly recent interview with Bryan Singer he talks about how you can't do star wars/guardians of the galaxy with the X-Men films. stating the tone is far too different

Something that came up when we were talking to both Simon [Kinberg, producer] and Hutch [Parker, producer] is that the success of something like Guardians of the Galaxy, which might not have worked ten years ago, is changing the landscape of what people can expect to see. What kind of weirdness can you now pull off thanks to something like that?

Not a lot, because that tonally automatically sets you up for a farce. You’ve got a raccoon with a machine gun. You’ve got a guy that’s like ‘Nothing gets over my head!’ That’s my favorite line. I love James Gunn, he’s ****ing amazing, hilarious. You have a tone of that movie that is a tone, once you’ve got that tone you can do all kinds of stuff like that. Or Deadpool, you can do that if you’re rated R, whatever it is you can do certain things.

Here, this universe is taken quite seriously so yeah we have our fun, we have side jokes, and we take the edge of certain scenes to lighten them up a bit, but I can’t alter the tone of the movie because a movie like that is successful. I can just embrace and go see it and laugh my ass off. That’s almost a different genre, I know it’s a Marvel movie but it’s a very different genre. Very different genre than other Marvel movies. It’s almost it’s own weird kind of standalone.

The tone of the film is obviously a big part of what the filmmakers think about. its just fans don't give a crap about that stuff and feel if comic elements are being taken out its to crap on the fans.

Obviously then fans start talking about all the things in the X-Men films that are outlandish and how its not a good excuse to avoid doing this stuff.

Don’t remind me biggest mistake of his career IMO. His Dark Phoenix storyline could have been the “infinity War” of that time.

Honestly Bryan is very limited as a director, he works best when he limits himself and i don't think the film would have been this amazing approach that people speculate it would have been.

 

[SumT]

not as limited as Kinberg as a writer, thats for sure

 

[henzINNIT]

Singer is likely a mess of a human being but he made the 2 best films in the series. It's a shame he's a liability, a bigger shame that Fox that haven't managed to attract or enable much talent since. It seems like the good films of this franchise are normally made in spite of the studio's efforts.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[Limonade]

Singer is likely a mess of a human being but he made the 2 best films in the series. It's a shame he's a liability, a bigger shame that Fox that haven't managed to attract or enable much talent since. It seems like the good films of this franchise are normally made in spite of the studio's efforts.

which ones are the best?

 

[X-Maniac]

Eh. Didn't really feel her actions scenes were all that great in the films either, which was one of the criticism a lot of people had. But I didn't like Halle Berry's interpretation of storm to begin with. I liked Alexandra shipp's storm and her accents. From what I've heard, the movie is more Jean centric, so it is as much to be expected (I recently re-read the Dark Phoenix saga comic and Storm pretty much is used in the fighting scenes. She doesn't have much of a story line in the saga beyond that just like the cartoon). Shipp has a bigger role in the movie than she did in Apocalypse. It isn't only all action scenes but she comes in (regarding screen-time) under Jean, Cyclops, Xavier.

I feel these sudden references to what happened in the Dark Phoenix comics book story are phoney and disingenuous.

Since when have the comics ever mattered before?

If the filmmakers had a proper understanding of the comics, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Storm is among my favourite characters but that's because of the comics giving me a good grasp of her character.

The filmmakers have only the most superficial notion of these characters, most times they are just seeing them as a vehicle for certain actors they are keen to support or promote.

Even on just a basic level, Storm's oneness with elemental forces (which she has to handle with care and never lose her control or humanity) should give her a point of view on Phoenix who becomes one with another kind of elemental force. The parallels were explored in the comics when Storm almost went out of control in the comic story where the X-Men faced Dr Doom, and in the What If story when it was Storm who became the Dark Phoenix. Those instances alone scream out the notion of parallels that could be explored in this movie.

 

[2kt09]

It's a shame he's a liability, a bigger shame that Fox that haven't managed to attract or enable much talent since. It seems like the good films of this franchise are normally made in spite of the studio's efforts.

huh?

 

[X-Maniac]

"But Frankeh Storm can't be her friend here. It would be so random seeing as how they never talked throughout Apocalypse. Even with the 10 year gap.

Kinberg also isn't required to write Storm an arc in Dark Phoenix. Have you even read the comics?! She was only used in the fighting! I'll believe that rumour but won't believe the others!"

Meanwhile, Mystique is her mother-figure. And Magneto has his Genosha storyline. Because reasons.

Or should I say Gin-nosha.
I was really hoping Kinberg didn't pass along this Gin-nosha non-sense to his actors. How frustrating! LOL

The funny thing about how we first heard Kinberg say Gin-nosha from NYCC was how the interviewer, a self-professed X-men TAS fan, in his question correctly pronounced Genosha twice. But I guess Kinberg knows best.

I suspect they are publicly going with Guh-nosha (rather than Juh-nosha) because that's how it's been said throughout the finished movie and they can't change it. I have no idea why they would be mispronouncing it when the animated series (and most people's common sense) goes for the Juh-nosha version; this is a Kinbergism, one of your Simonisations...

Which makes me wonder what other Kinbergisms we are due to get on screen.

Also, what happens to Quicksilver? And what will be the abilities of Selene?

 

[Frankeh]

The last two Star Wars movies were hardly any different in tone to the X-Men movies, they are serious with real stakes, despite the comedic elements, which is no different than X-Men Apocalypse with walking comedic relief Quicksilver, Nightcrawler, etc. The filmmakers have a very snobbish perception about these films.

 

[X-Maniac]

Regarding Storms role in this story (noting she is my favourite Comic character)

She shouldnt have a huge role.

I'm not expecting a huge role, after all she worships Mystique so is probably at her feet like a puppy or seen pasting Mystique posters on her bedroom wall.

But we should get some insight into Storm and why she does what she does. That was cut from X-Men: Apocalypse, will it be on the cutting room floor again in this movie?

This films should principlay focus on Jean, Scott (her lover), Xavier (her mentor) and Chastain (villan/her manipulator).

If you start to give every charcter esections of screen time you end up like Apoclpyse were everyone feels under utilised.

How come it's only X2 that has managed little moments offering insight into its characters (like the Storm/Nightcrawler convo on the X-jet). Is it a coincidence that X2 remains the most highly regarded of this franchise? I doubt it. The movie has a character balance not achieved before or since.

All I would want from Storm in the film is:

- an indication of her friendship with Jean.
- Storm vs Jean like in the comic story.
- Big power display. VFX technology is there now and they a re facing aliens (not humans so no moral consequences) let Storm unless.

I also think we will likley get a tension between her and Scott after the funeral scene.
Based in interveiws it seems like he never gives up on Jean, while I feel Storm would consider fighting Jean in order to stop her.

I'd want a little more, I'd want to know how she feels and why she does what she does. If she just suddenly appears on Genosha with Erik saying "So, you've come to join me?" and Storm and Kurt saying nothing, that would be (yet another) gross disservice to the classic X-Men.

 

[2kt09]

I suspect they are publicly going with Guh-nosha (rather than Juh-nosha) because that's how it's been said throughout the finished movie and they can't change it. I have no idea why they would be mispronouncing it when the animated series (and most people's common sense) goes for the Juh-nosha version; this is a Kinbergism, one of your Simonisations...

Which makes me wonder what other Kinbergisms we are due to get on screen.

Also, what happens to Quicksilver? And what will be the abilities of Selene?

wait, it's Juh-nosha? I thought it was Jen-osha.

 

[Frankeh]

The comic did very well in giving every character a voice so we knew how they felt about the Jean situation, especially because they all had a bond with her.

That’s what the movie should be striving for, not the usual limited vision of some X-Men being wallpaper.

 

[X-Maniac]

wait, it's Juh-nosha? I thought it was Jen-osha.

Same thing. Stop being a tit. The 'e' is not heavily enunciated, it could easily be thought of as 'juh' rather than 'jeh'

 

[2kt09]

Same thing. Stop being a tit. The 'e' is not heavily enunciated, it could easily be thought of as 'juh' rather than 'jeh'

"gen" like generation not just any old 'j' because gene which would then be jeen-osha

The comic did very well in giving every character a voice so we knew how they felt about the Jean situation, especially because they all had a bond with her.

That’s what the movie should be striving for, not the usual limited vision of some X-Men being wallpaper.

then we're totally ok with the movie being a drama first & foremost as that's been the mission statement from the get-go

 

[I Am The Knight]

Same thing. Stop being a tit. The 'e' is not heavily enunciated, it could easily be thought of as 'juh' rather than 'jeh'

 

[X-Maniac]

"gen" like generation not just any old 'j' because gene which would then be jeen-osha

Well, it seems we are getting 'jenosha' (or my juh-nosha) so fasten your seatbelt, we're in for a rough ride, lol...

 

[SpiderSense]

Aside from budget chats, how do people think they will visualise jeans powers? I thought the effects in X3 were cool and she did seem very powerful, but to call her powers limitless what she did was quite limited.

Hopefully we get a firebird when she uses them?