Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix Skepticism Thread

[Leo Zelinsky]

90s Civilian clothing.

This is no way a negative

TBH if this makes less money then apocalypse then thats more on the audience having no interest in FOX's version of the X-Men anymore.

Fixed that for you

Admittedly November 2, 2018 is a very different date for an X-Men movie.

That is when its coming out right? kinda surprised this is the date they chose.

FOX would be foolish to try and release this anywhere close to Infinity War. FOX's version of X-MEN can not compete in the Summer without a gimmick (Returning OT Cast).

 

[def28]

Fan boys are the minority.

Look at transformers you think alot of that audience is fanboys? or those who grew up with the cartoon?

Every generation grew up with Transformers. They don't make money just cause 80s kids. The cartoons, films and merch are embedded into 80s, 90s, 2000's and 2010's kids and all of them have the same Optimus. That's all they needed.

 

[EnDz0n3]

This is no way a negative

I cringe at the thought of the 80s Civilian clothing in Apocalypse so not a guarantee 90s would be any better. But there's always a chance I suppose.

 

[Lip]

First-time director.

Writer/Director/Producer Simon Kinberg. He's like the sh***y Quentin Tarantino of comic book movies.

JLaw as Raven/Mystique as a major character.

Will Magneto switch sides again.

Quicksilver hair and costume.

90s Civilian clothing.

Subpar F/X.

For me all that plus:

-The wire work.
-Too soon for that storyline, not enough build up for this
-Too much going on (FC cast, younger X-Men, Sh'iar, Hellfire, new characters) and Kinberg writing and directing all of it.
-Too much Katnis and Fassbender.

Also the X-men movie traditions that I take already as guaranteed:
-Cool Storm scenes in the trailers to bait the fans, and 4 lines for her in the actual movie. No motivation, characterization or development for her.
-Beloved characters used to bait the fans, for power display, then being killed off or wasted.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

not a guarantee 90s would be any better. But there's always a chance I suppose.

90's swag is hands down the best in American History

 

[def28]

For me all that plus:

-The wire work.
-Too soon for that storyline, not enough build up for this
-Too much going on (FC cast, younger X-Men, Sh'iar, Hellfire, new characters) and Kinberg writing and directing all of it.
-Too much Katnis and Fassbender.

Also the X-men movie traditions that I take already as guaranteed:
-Cool Storm scenes in the trailers to bait the fans, and 4 lines for her in the actual movie. No motivation, characterization or development for her.
-Beloved characters used to bait the fans, for power display, then being killed off or wasted.

Sad that this series should be pushing it's diverse and female characters more then any other comic property. But nah, Kinberg and Singer only see characters like Psylocke only good for their outfit.

So get ready for Sunfire and Dazzler! I'm sure they are being added for character development and story motivation. Not just cause they are running out of new X-Men to introduce.

 

[marcvader]

90's swag is hands down the best in American History

Bull$&@!, 80's!

 

[marcvader]

How about Scott Summers in a friggin lead role like Cap.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Bull$&@!, 80's!

 

[def28]

How about Scott Summers in a friggin lead role like Cap.

Been waiting for a scene with him like at the end of Avengers where he is leading the X-Men and coming up with a plan. Not Mystique telling them they are X-Men.

 

[2kt09]

How about Scott Summers in a friggin lead role like Cap.

Just don't pull weird craud like that TAS ep.
'I must pilot this ship because I'm the leader and am pretending is just like the blackbird even though, Jean, you did just learn what it takes to fly this thing'

Kinberg has a weird knack for throwing in superfluously cringy dialogue/scenes

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Just don't pull weird craud like that TAS ep.
'I must pilot this ship because I'm the leader and am pretending is just like the blackbird even though, Jean, you did just learn what it takes to fly this thing'

That was actually awesome imo. It shows how dedicated Slim is to being leader. And how much hes willing to sacrifice to protect everyone.

 

[2kt09]

That was actually awesome imo. It shows how dedicated Slim is to being leader. And how much hes willing to sacrifice to protect everyone.

But TAS should'nt be a guidebook writing-wise.
He came across as a big baby.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Id rather cyclops was more then just the leader since i personally don't feel having the status of leader makes him special, just give me a cyclops that i enjoy, not a cyclops that has to caricature a leader because of the comics.

With apocalypse i enjoyed Cylops feeling equel to the others and so got on with them like a friend, id rather not have a cyclops that is all about being the leader because of the comics.

 

[def28]

Yeah, I mean why make him look like he's a crucial member? Being a leader isn't important

 

[GuestStar2004]

Yeah, I mean why make him look like he's a crucial member? Being a leader isn't important

It isn't.

Look at X1 he was the leader and no one cared, they cared about wolverine but then Wolverine was that rebel character and not the guy who was barking orders.

Make cyclops likeable, give some likable interaction, but don't make his whole existence about being the leader.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

No one cared, they cared about wolverine but then Wolverine was that rebel character and not the guy who was barking orders.

That damn movie set Cyclops back for almost 2 decade's.

 

[def28]

It isn't.

Look at X1 he was the leader and no one cared, they cared about wolverine but then Wolverine was that rebel character and not the guy who was barking orders.

Make cyclops likeable, give some likable interaction, but don't make his whole existence about being the leader.

Of course give him interaction, you don't think leaders have interaction?

I 100% disagree with you and not making him a leader would rank up with X-Men Origins Deadpool as one of the most idiotic decisions this series has made.

Being a leader is crucial because every team needs one and this series should be about a team. Every world needs one! They should be the most crucial decision makers out there. That is Cyclops role, leader of the X-Men. He is calling the shots. This is not a light position that should be passed by.

By giving someone else the role that completely ****s up his character.

 

[marvelrobbins]

TBH if this makes less money then apocalypse then thats more on the audience having no interest in X-Men anymore.

But hey it being X-Men it should have a decent confident enough standing at the box office anyway but if it takes a bigger hit even if the trailers are really good then yeah maybe the Marvel Vs. Capcom: Infinite producers were right that no one really remembers X-Men.

that's marvel being petty and we all know it.

fox probally signed off on kinberg's dark phoenix pitch because they thought ailens and going into outer space could repeat what sentinles and time travel did for days of future past.it's just i have little faith that kinberg will execute it well.but those hoping it bombs may be disappointment.Apocalypse was hardly a bomb despite what some want to think.

 

[Smilodon]

Of course give him interaction, you don't think leaders have interaction?

I 100% disagree with you and not making him a leader would rank up with X-Men Origins Deadpool as one of the most idiotic decisions this series has made.

Being a leader is crucial because every team needs one and this series should be about a team. Every world needs one! That is Cyclops role, leader of the X-Men. He is calling the shots. This is not a light position that should be passed by.

By giving someone else the role that completely ****s up his character.

This is exactly why I think we should have the Storm/Scott leadership conflict in this one. I feel like it's a very economical way of fleshing both of these characters out. At the beginning of the film, Scott and Storm are at odds over tactics or whatever. Maybe Slim gets flustered over Jean and it clouds his judgment during a Danger Room session or doesn't feel as cool as Peter is, and Storm, who grew up on the streets, is a bit better at handling certain things. Jean is the middleman, but when she goes Dark Phoenix, Scott and Storm put aside their differences to save her.

 

[def28]

I dig it Smilodon

 

[henzINNIT]

Being a leader is pretty much integral to Cyclops' character, as it is with Rogers. I feel like no-one involved has ever been interested in going full-on heroic with Scott. That's what should be happening.

 

[GuestStar2004]

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By giving someone else the role that completely ****s up his character.

See no thats the problem right there!

Giving someone else that roles ****s up his character? that says alot doesn't it.

 

[def28]

See no thats the problem right there!

Giving someone else that roles ****s up his character? that says alot doesn't it.

Giving someone else the crucial role of leading the team? What's wrong with you man?

Read the post above you.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Giving someone else the crucial role of leading the team? What's wrong with you man?

Read the post above you.

No giving someone else the leader role ****s up his character, that says alot about the character when his purpose is to be the leader and once thats gone there is nothing to him.

Captain america is the leader of the avengers but there isn't this feeling that is all he is.