Sequels X-Men: First Class

[Goldenage Batman]

actually... he really only killed jean, and psuedo off screen killed cyclops... xavier died but returned, and magneto, rogue, and mystique were depowered. Everyone knows that in a comic book, and off page death is a very easy out for a character to return, and obviously the cure didn't stick... but that's all beside the point.

This isn't about "who hurt the x-men worse" it's the fact that in all honesty no director or writer has gotten the x-men "right" sure somethings had to change, but others really shouldn't of.

Now Ratner didn't write X-3... and X3 was hurting alot for the actions Singer did cause... he broke his contract to direct the travesty that was Superman Returns... and then tried like a lil brat to steal the cast members away.. which he only successfully got James (he also had a lunch with Famke and originally casted Sean Ashmore as jimmy olsen). So it's no wonder Fox persued to stomp on his film and try to beat it to the theater. Cyclops lack of screen time and the quickly made film were all products of that (which was indeed fox's fault... but the studio also can't let a director boss them around like that. So i really don't blame them for that action.

Now that you all had a history lesson, lets not forget Singer developed these films and set there motions in path... he did great with some characters, but horrid with others.. He clearly didn't no how to use storm, made wolverine a "hunk", hired a no name actor he met at his gym for colossus (i have friends that know singer... he's a regular at bars in weho.. it's no secret he's a ****e who uses his "job" to get guys. Singer set alot of X3's events into motion.. he had people rooting for Wolverine and Jean over Scott and Jean... he made Cyclops completely unlikeable. He turned Iceman into the "good/shy/nice boy", and had no conception of X-men as a team.. hell all the fights were "wolverine vs someone (usually a woman)" while the other x-men had there lil short skirmishes, or in case of X1, running around like chickens with there heads caught off.

Singer is the best director we've had on the Xfilms, but again, he's no jesus either. He's no chris nolan, he's no john favarau, hell he's not even sam rami (close, but not quite)

*Claps*....

Spoiler

I'm still happy Singer's back

 

[Angamb]

Singer is a better director than Raimi.

the script of Spiderman was worse than the X-men one.

the problem is on the studio, if Bryan had all the freedom and money of the world, his movie would have been much better, but Fox.. well, we all know how they are.

Sony give more money for Spiderman, thats why it was a bigger superhero movie.

 

[Project862006]

Singer is is better than Favreau imo atleast singer made high quality films besides x men like usual suspects/Valkyrie/Apt Pupil/

 

[JP]

Singer never broke his contract. He was NEVER signed on to direct X3. And Fox could have easily waited for him.

Singer then tried to steal the X-actors away? Seriously? That's some crazy way of spinning things. Didn't know actors belonged to studio... well, Hugh Jackman does belong to Fox. . .

 

[SuperAl]

i hope they at least have good costumes this time, no more of that stupid leather black suit

 

[Deaths Head II]

Well the attitude is more friendly to super hero films so they can get away with more color in ther costumes.

I want at least some yellow on the outfits. The comics always added some yellow when they had movie-inspired costumes (New X-Men, Ultimate X-Men).

 

[Project862006]

first class uniforms are more film friendly imo

 

[Nathan]

Definitely agree on no leather for the X-suits. This is the material they should go with.



Now just try to make it look more X-Menish.

 

[Nightmare]

Navy Blue outfits?

 

[Nathan]

Did I say they should use that color? No. I said they should use the material.

 

[zenith16]

Singer never broke his contract. He was NEVER signed on to direct X3. And Fox could have easily waited for him.

Singer then tried to steal the X-actors away? Seriously? That's some crazy way of spinning things. Didn't know actors belonged to studio... well, Hugh Jackman does belong to Fox. . .

actually singer was signed to do X3 and more before that sequel wise. they said the x-men movies were to go on as long as the spider man movies which both were planned to have 9 movies.

It was only fans and few people that watch movies in genral I saw that kept sayin three in forums. cause of the history of ceratin sequels in movies.

But any ways the argument moot now. but he was signed and had scripts for X3 going and the deal was longer then that.

the only thing that was rigid was the time schedule fox set. But singer did leave in too much of a hurry when super wasannouced to him. Sorry to say that the script he had were put on hold for super man which he got after he was working on X3 already.

So i'm not sure what to say to this comment. well other then correcting the thoughts.
But it is a bit off.

Sorry

 

[zenith16]

Navy Blue outfits?

I got what he ment.

Did I say they should use that color? No. I said they should use the material.

blue wise they can do what they did for the FF movies costumes and add other coloures to make it different from those costumes. that'll save them money as well since fox is is nut's over cost in every thing that they make a chose with.

 

[Project862006]

Navy Blue outfits?

you prefer spandex

 

[zenith16]

Just do the Same out fits as the FF had for the movie. hehe and add stuff to them like an X and afew masks. and a few colours that aren't overly strong. it'll be fine. and I won't have to hear from marsden complaining how hot the leather was when they did the first movie in the summer time, on the sci- fi channale called space here where i live. But i want them to look like super heroes as well. so I'm in agreement. never dug the leather execuse.

That was money issue thing as well for Fox. I never bought into it.

 

[X Knight]

actually... he really only killed jean, and psuedo off screen killed cyclops... xavier died but returned, and magneto, rogue, and mystique were depowered. Everyone knows that in a comic book, and off page death is a very easy out for a character to return, and obviously the cure didn't stick... but that's all beside the point.

This isn't about "who hurt the x-men worse" it's the fact that in all honesty no director or writer has gotten the x-men "right" sure somethings had to change, but others really shouldn't of.

Now Ratner didn't write X-3... and X3 was hurting alot for the actions Singer did cause... he broke his contract to direct the travesty that was Superman Returns... and then tried like a lil brat to steal the cast members away.. which he only successfully got James (he also had a lunch with Famke and originally casted Sean Ashmore as jimmy olsen). So it's no wonder Fox persued to stomp on his film and try to beat it to the theater. Cyclops lack of screen time and the quickly made film were all products of that (which was indeed fox's fault... but the studio also can't let a director boss them around like that. So i really don't blame them for that action.

Now that you all had a history lesson, lets not forget Singer developed these films and set there motions in path... he did great with some characters, but horrid with others.. He clearly didn't no how to use storm, made wolverine a "hunk", hired a no name actor he met at his gym for colossus (i have friends that know singer... he's a regular at bars in weho.. it's no secret he's a ****e who uses his "job" to get guys. Singer set alot of X3's events into motion.. he had people rooting for Wolverine and Jean over Scott and Jean... he made Cyclops completely unlikeable. He turned Iceman into the "good/shy/nice boy", and had no conception of X-men as a team.. hell all the fights were "wolverine vs someone (usually a woman)" while the other x-men had there lil short skirmishes, or in case of X1, running around like chickens with there heads caught off.

Singer is the best director we've had on the Xfilms, but again, he's no jesus either. He's no chris nolan, he's no john favarau, hell he's not even sam rami (close, but not quite)

which....is....why I want.....a reboot......

 

[markaudette]

If Storm appears in this new film, I vote Zoe Saldana play the role!

I think it was a mistake hiring Halle Berry as Storm. This time, I hope they hire an actor who just BRINGS it. Instead of hiring them simply because they're a big name actor.

 

[X Knight]

oh....and regardless if this is a reboot, direct prequel, quasi prequel....whatever....

I don't want another "tame" X-men movie.

The one thing I did like about X3 was that, for the first time, I felt like the mutants were "let loose" with their mutant powers.....

And, after all, that's one of the appeals of the X-men....the diversity of cool mutant powers.....

Yes, I still want an "intelligent" film with a good story and character development............but I want some kick a** mutant power action, too!

With all of the CB/superhero movies that have come out since X1, and with the advancement in technology, there's no excuse NOT to have cool power displays and cool action sequences.........

 

[Mad Ones]

I want to see the X-men saving people directly. Pushing normal people out of harms way, Jean using her telepathy to stop things from crushing people, etc. Things we see all the time in the comics and cartoons, but they haven't done that in the movies at all.

 

[X Knight]

I want to see the X-men saving people directly. Pushing normal people out of harms way, Jean using her telepathy to stop things from crushing people, etc. Things we see all the time in the comics and cartoons, but they haven't done that in the movies at all.

that too....but not too much of that at the expense of actual fighting...

Cuz....that's what happened in SR.....pretty much all of the action pieces were Superman using his powers to help/save people.......but not one piece where he used his powers offensively to fight another superpowered villain ( that's because there was NO superpowered villain ).

oh....and I'd also like to see the mutants use their powers in "everyday life." Like, Jean sees Scott in the library trying to reach a book on the top shelf, and she casually uses her tk powers to bring it down to him...with flirty banter, of course.....

 

[Construct]

oh....and regardless if this is a reboot, direct prequel, quasi prequel....whatever....

I don't want another "tame" X-men movie.

The one thing I did like about X3 was that, for the first time, I felt like the mutants were "let loose" with their mutant powers.....

And, after all, that's one of the appeals of the X-men....the diversity of cool mutant powers.....

Yes, I still want an "intelligent" film with a good story and character development............but I want some kick a** mutant power action, too!

I agree. Though Singer's films are enjoyable, the X-Men appear so restrained in them. Also, to be fair, X3's plot made their increased usage justified. With this film, I hope that there's a story that allows for appropriate power showcase, which doesn't seem too hard since the film involves the mutants coming into their own and maturing with their powers (i.e. young Jean and Xavier taming the Phoenix, learning to work as a team).

Hopefully, Mr. Sinister is the villain to tie into a possible X4 storyline.

 

[gap5ewl]

Navy Blue outfits?

What color were you thinking of?

 

[The Overlord]

If it was condescending then I'm sorry. But What I was saying is your misunderstanding the point I'm making here and you are thinking in a limited fashion, due to fox saying what they said back in the day. And it was a very limited view they set on the movies.

And seeing that both sci -fi and sci- fi comic book movies are being more accepted then ever before there really shouldn't be an issue on what should be accepted when the public has shown their ok with the any thing goes in sci-fi thing as long as you properly explain it. in a easy way of words.

when the X-men met aliens the met aliens it applyed to their own them to a degree. the met aliens that were ether oppressing some one or being oppressed. It related to their own struggle as well. it kinda why they helped Lelandra. and why stories as war lockes or the mutant kree which more similar to the human mutants in the books are as fallowed.

Most the X-Men space opera stories that didn't involved the Phonenix sucked though. Really how many of those stories were good?

Plus how does the Lucifer story itself fit in with the theme of persecution?

there are some humans have actually have names like that in real life some humans are weird ( they are people that actual name them selves after bad people in history and besides that Lucifer was a just a name like any other before it was in association to the religious view of the devil /evil.

It's kind like why people have the last name de vill . like the place the royal de vill.

you should wounder why any one would have a name like that in real life as their last name. But some people don't bother to question it. And you know you've come a across it some how weather it was TV or in litterateur some other way in real life. there are people with odd/ questionable names weather it's there former or sir name. there are people like that.

Any way they can just simply call him luscious and there people have not problem with having a name that seems to be attached to people who have done some great evil in the real world.

how so? the point their are trying to make here is that "people are people are people" their is good and bad in any race. And the entire race shouldn't be persecuted over what a few of them did that is know to be bad.

Because aliens bring up questions unrelated to the the human vs. mutants conflict, ever heard of KISS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_principle

If you bring in aliens to this story that didn't involve aliens before, people will wonder why that wasn't mentioned before? Why didn't people talk about an alien invasion before? Already you are going off from the main theme of X-Men.



That's like people that judge person over what their parent/ any relative did as a crime. the kid may not have ever agreed to what that parent/ relative did if the parent/ parent was all too happy to do so. As to the alien thing I equate it to the same thing if the X-men are to show way to acceptance and equality it apply to all things that live and are different that human have a tendency to fear.

How does the Lucifer storyline tie into that? Its a generic alien invansion story line. How does that story fit into the theme of prescutrion? Its kinda a lame and generic storyline frankly

Did you really miss the point of what others that spoke after you said on why mags should have issues with humans to the point he went so far in the first movie that singer made. the talk with prof X at the senate hearing? please think about it, there has to be a great reason why he distrusts them( normal humans), that he went so far to declare war on them. think two life times of persecution. and it happening to him a second time. it happening twice to cause magneto to snap. other wise there' no point in him saying" they will never change Charles."

And him for him to mentally separate him self from them when they are all humans despite him having powers.

It's probably cause he went through two life times of persecution. And them(certain individuals/normal humans) hurting some one that is close to him as his best friend as well as what happened to his family in the concentration camps( a reminder) is reason enough for his revolution against human oppression.

So what, none of that changes the fact that Magneto could have hurt Xavier in a fit anger, none of that changes that possibility and that would be more compelling then some generic space alien villain doing it.

Why is Lucifer a compelling character? Considering Magneto crippled Xavier in two other versions of X-Men, why would be unfaithful to the source material for him to do it the movies, it would make the movie more streamline

The fact is Lucifer is a pretty generic and boring character, so I don't see why a more compelling character can't cripple Xavier. I don't see why Lucifer is interesting

Your missing the point,

as what my point was that your thinking limited as fox does. I'm not insulting you at all. But what I'm saying is that they put it in you that this won't work, when it can go ether way it's all in the execution of the story telling how much work they put into the special effects for it to work. suspension of dis belief .

I don't see why I should suspensd my disblief for such an uninteresting character as Lucifer

Seriously star trek the movie of all things has been nominated for major awards recently and James Cameron's avatar is getting the same deal among others. if they get even a few of those that means the Average Jose are OK with whats put on film.

Those movies were better written then the Lucifer storyline.

If it was condescending then I'm sorry. But What I was saying is your misunderstanding the point I'm making here and you are thinking in a limited fashion, due to fox saying what they said back in the day. And it was a very limited view they set on the movies.

And seeing that both sci -fi and sci- fi comic book movies are being more accepted then ever before there really shouldn't be an issue on what should be accepted when the public has shown their ok with the any thing goes in sci-fi thing as long as you properly explain it. in a easy way of words.

when the X-men met aliens the met aliens it applyed to their own them to a degree. the met aliens that were ether oppressing some one or being oppressed. It related to their own struggle as well. it kinda why they helped Lelandra. and why stories as war lockes or the mutant kree which more similar to the human mutants in the books are as fallowed.

Most the X-Men space opera stories that didn't involved the Phonenix sucked though. Really how many of those stories were good?

Plus how does the Lucifer story itself fit in with the theme of persecution?

there are some humans have actually have names like that in real life some humans are weird ( they are people that actual name them selves after bad people in history and besides that Lucifer was a just a name like any other before it was in association to the religious view of the devil /evil.

It's kind like why people have the last name de vill . like the place the royal de vill.

you should wounder why any one would have a name like that in real life as their last name. But some people don't bother to question it. And you know you've come a across it some how weather it was TV or in litterateur some other way in real life. there are people with odd/ questionable names weather it's there former or sir name. there are people like that.

Any way they can just simply call him luscious and there people have not problem with having a name that seems to be attached to people who have done some great evil in the real world.

how so? the point their are trying to make here is that "people are people are people" their is good and bad in any race. And the entire race shouldn't be persecuted over what a few of them did that is know to be bad.

Because aliens bring up questions unrelated to the the human vs. mutants conflict, ever heard of KISS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_principle

If you bring in aliens to this story that didn't involve aliens before, people will wonder why that wasn't mentioned before? Why didn't people talk about an alien invasion before? Already you are going off from the main theme of X-Men.



That's like people that judge person over what their parent/ any relative did as a crime. the kid may not have ever agreed to what that parent/ relative did if the parent/ parent was all too happy to do so. As to the alien thing I equate it to the same thing if the X-men are to show way to acceptance and equality it apply to all things that live and are different that human have a tendency to fear.

How does the Lucifer storyline tie into that? Its a generic alien invansion story line. How does that story fit into the theme of prescutrion? Its kinda a lame and generic storyline frankly. I mean who says the Lucifer storyline is a classic X-Men tale?

Did you really miss the point of what others that spoke after you said on why mags should have issues with humans to the point he went so far in the first movie that singer made. the talk with prof X at the senate hearing? please think about it, there has to be a great reason why he distrusts them( normal humans), that he went so far to declare war on them. think two life times of persecution. and it happening to him a second time. it happening twice to cause magneto to snap. other wise there' no point in him saying" they will never change Charles."

And him for him to mentally separate him self from them when they are all humans despite him having powers.

It's probably cause he went through two life times of persecution. And them(certain individuals/normal humans) hurting some one that is close to him as his best friend as well as what happened to his family in the concentration camps( a reminder) is reason enough for his revolution against human oppression.

So what, none of that changes the fact that Magneto could have hurt Xavier in a fit anger, none of that changes that possibility and that would be more compelling then some generic space alien villain doing it.

Why is Lucifer a compelling character? Considering Magneto crippled Xavier in two other versions of X-Men, why would be unfaithful to the source material for him to do it the movies, it would make the movie more streamline

The fact is Lucifer is a pretty generic and boring character, so I don't see why a more compelling character can't cripple Xavier. I don't see why Lucifer is interesting character.

Your missing the point,

as what my point was that your thinking limited as fox does. I'm not insulting you at all. But what I'm saying is that they put it in you that this won't work, when it can go ether way it's all in the execution of the story telling how much work they put into the special effects for it to work. suspension of dis belief .

I don't see why I should suspend my disbelief for such an uninteresting character as Lucifer.

It's just in the execution and it has to be at the first run of those movies. Sci-fi is often used for social commentary to get people to look at issues like what X-Men discusses and teach some thing in a very clever ways. But also in a broad way that what their teaching you can be applied to a lot of things in a lot of ways.

Let me ask this, was Iron Man unfaithful to the comics because Tony Stark was injured in Afghanistan instead of Vietnam?

There is a difference between being faithful to source material and being dogmatic to it. Lucifer is an uninteresting crap character and his storyline is dull and generic and very few fans care about him to see him on the screen. There are far more interesting stories and villains then ones involving Lucifer, that should appear on film besides him.

I see no reason why Lucifer should cripple Xavier because he did the Silver age, he is just a dull character and his role could easily as the guy who crippled Xavier can be replaced by an more compelling villain. He just not that interesting.

 

[BMM]

actually singer was signed to do X3 and more before that sequel wise.

No, he wasn't. He signed a general development deal with Fox. Singer never signed a contract to direct X-Men 3. If he did, he would have been in breach of said contract, and 20th Century Fox would have done a hell of a lot more than throw him off the lot.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Singer never broke his contract. He was NEVER signed on to direct X3. And Fox could have easily waited for him.

Singer then tried to steal the X-actors away? Seriously? That's some crazy way of spinning things. Didn't know actors belonged to studio... well, Hugh Jackman does belong to Fox. . .

actually he was... and yes.. he did try to steal actors away.. where the hell were you during this?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

actually singer was signed to do X3 and more before that sequel wise. they said the x-men movies were to go on as long as the spider man movies which both were planned to have 9 movies.

It was only fans and few people that watch movies in genral I saw that kept sayin three in forums. cause of the history of ceratin sequels in movies.

But any ways the argument moot now. but he was signed and had scripts for X3 going and the deal was longer then that.

the only thing that was rigid was the time schedule fox set. But singer did leave in too much of a hurry when super wasannouced to him. Sorry to say that the script he had were put on hold for super man which he got after he was working on X3 already.

So i'm not sure what to say to this comment. well other then correcting the thoughts.
But it is a bit off.

Sorry

yeah, i'm thinkin magik blacked out on that one... there was news all over the place of singer even running off with his script and all his X3 ideas so fox couldn't get them.