Sequels X-Men: First Class

[JP]

Yes, he was just announced as the director for first class. Hence the reason this thread is so poppin'.

 

[zenith16]

it was announce this week.

 

[Angamb]

I have a doubt..

what next x-men spinoff was the first to get a director and writer?

 

[Spider-Fan83]

about the romantic element, Moira would be the logical character, since she appeared on X3.

I would love to see her and the backstory with Xavier, with a possible continuation on X4. (if its made, Moira has to appear there too)

that was probably more referring to Jean and Scott (and possibly Emma)...

though, I wouldn't mind the Moira storyline, of her and Xavier past, explored, too

 

[zenith16]

Ditto...

...lets not forget Halle played Storm and CINO...
...James was in Superman Returns...

....and Rebecca appeared in the Punisher and X-Men films...(I know, I know, their both Marvel, but some have said the same about that too...)

The last one does make sense to a
degree though as I just said though with my eplainantion it makes sence if their main characters of impratance in that universe and are likely to show up in a big event in the marvel movie verse. since their shown often alot inthe comics.

The punisher movie that character is in that Rebecca played isn't likely to show up again in any big marvel event and isn't really a main character of importance as I just explained with others. unLike what rayan has played. when he did both marvel characters.

so your right technically.

 

[Hellion]

Yes, he was just announced as the director for first class. Hence the reason this thread is so poppin'.

lol...Thanks.


Where was I when this was announced?

 

[Spider-Fan83]

how about Ray Stevenson (the Punisher) getting a role in Thor

 

[zenith16]

how about Ray Stevenson (the Punisher) getting a role in Thor

lol un like ryans own two marvel roles where they both look like him ray won't have a problem. Cause he's gonna have make up on him from the get go. And CGI and a gut as large as santa. And an accent no conflick of intrest there.

It'll be like tropic thunder for tom cruse in a marvel movie. only some of us know it's ray in fat suit.


And I doubt we'll see those standing side by side in big marvel movie event un like dead pool and hannibal. which is a little more likely.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Yeah at this point Hollywood is running out of actors for superhero movies so there is bound to be some overlap. If Marvel does include Punisher you'd prefer they keep Ray but since there are no Punisher movies on the horizon for some time, I think it will get a pass from fans.

 

[The Overlord]

i think your missing the point of what i ment though. I said a page a head of this though but i'll make it clear.
But your thinking about this in a limited way. unfortunitly very limited.

That's not condescending

1)If they changed strykers history back ground from a religious nut with hate in him on a race to a soldier as they have shown already they can do the same for "Lucifer "and just make him a human that hates mutants and had a dealing in the concentration camps mags was in as when he was a kid as well. and he's back in his life to cause mags trouble for the school by starting "Race riots." That simple. first encounter with mags seeing humans hating mutants and it'll remind of his time a Jew and be persecuted

Seeing he had access to Nazi money in the comics (which mags stole after he was killed) it's not bad thinking on my part. there.

I'd rather they didn't change his(lucifer's) history. seeing comics are more accepted more then ever now.

But they can change this if your trying to keep things in that limited minded world your talking about. So I'm giving what i just suggest twice in three time in this thread as an alternative ether way this can work.

Why would anti mutant human call himself Lucifer?

2)when Xavier made the X-Men it was to protect all humanity from any kind of threat as in all and anything that comes humanity way that was to do it harm.

It doesn't matter the origin of that evil they were made to protect all humanity from any kind of threats there are in existence and that'll help further their(x-men's) cause.

Cause humans seeing that will realise that they are here to help and live normal lives as they do. or At Least a decent number will or should. and that are things out that are worse then what certain people accuses mutants of being cause thing actually want to do all humanity harm.

3)It's freaking sci -fi. Lets stop limiting things especially when your seeing other sci -fi mediums getting away with it to those same average Jose fox claims to sell too. It's really lame now. seeing that same thing being pushed still.

Except adding space aliens to a movie series that has been about equality and the mutant-human struggle is really convoluted.

Why not just have Magneto cripple Xavier, like in the Ultimate Universe or the cartoon, if he does it by mistake, out rage that would be more compelling then some space alien doing it.

Its not like they put Fin Fang Foom in the Iron Man movies, some things just don't work on the silver screen.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

im just wondering if singer doing his version of X-men: first class... if that means x-men origins: magneto is scrapped... im also a bit concerned that xavier and magneto are suppose to be in there 20's.... that really messes up the time line even more so with XMO:W and X1 considering there's AT LEAST 20-30 years age difference between Xavier/Magneto and the X-men

 

[Angamb]

I dont mind the time issue.

I just want a good x-men film after X3 and Wolverine.

If Singer can give it to us, Im 100% happy.

 

[henzINNIT]

If Singer wants to show the implosion of Xavier and Magneto's relationship, then Magneto is surely even further from happening. I just hope Cykes finally gets his chance to shine.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

if the movies allllll exist in the same universe... i sure as hell don't want anymore confusion.

either reboot, or enhance and correct what's already been given. I'd much rather singer not ignore wolverine (since were getting a sequel) even though it sucked.. i actually enjoyed it's Scott Summers moments.

it sounds like to me hes blending in what the magneto movie would have been about with x-man first class.... if that is so.. please let the "20 year old xavier and magneto" be in flashbacks... and have stewart and ian reprise there roles using digital enhancements to make the previous movies fit correctly

 

[JP]

I trust he knows what he's doing.

 

[Duneboy]

I think it's great news that Singer has come back to the xmen franchise. I think it's where he belongs. Not w/ the big blue boy scout.

 

[FaT_tONle]

no.....that's my opinion........sorry if I didn't make that clear.....

I was just saying that I found Singer's latest comments, as posted on the Hype homepage, interesting..

However, I'd prefer if he takes this opportunity to essentially reboot the franchise and start fresh....and not try to tie it in the previous X-movies.......

Cuz...quite frankly.....I feel that the current X-movie franchise is stale.....I'm tired of this franchise and I want to see something different......something closer to the source material......

I can't see them creating another self contained franchise at the expense of continuity. This franchise won't get a reboot, but I feel there is a lot of stuff they can work with pre-X-Men. The only downside is that you logically have to scale things down and make it feel more of a buildup to the climax as opposed to a resolution, so the villains and threats will be downgraded.

 

[Project862006]

they can use sinister

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I trust he knows what he's doing.

this is also the same guy who churned out an extremely boring and lackluster superman.... and wanted sigourney weaver as emma frost, didn't think the mutants should use there power with leisure (only necessity), made it "wolverine and the X-men", turned scott into a silent wimp, and refused to let storm fly... He's a great story teller, but let's not be naive and view him as a savior either.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

they can use sinister

sinister and shadow king would be my 2 best guesses... as formidable first class villains (aside from a young brotherhood)

 

[zenith16]

That's not condescending \

If it was condescending then I'm sorry. But What I was saying is your misunderstanding the point I'm making here and you are thinking in a limited fashion, due to fox saying what they said back in the day. And it was a very limited view they set on the movies.

And seeing that both sci -fi and sci- fi comic book movies are being more accepted then ever before there really shouldn't be an issue on what should be accepted when the public has shown their ok with the any thing goes in sci-fi thing as long as you properly explain it. in a easy way of words.

when the X-men met aliens the met aliens it applyed to their own them to a degree. the met aliens that were ether oppressing some one or being oppressed. It related to their own struggle as well. it kinda why they helped Lelandra. and why stories as war lockes or the mutant kree which more similar to the human mutants in the books are as fallowed.

Why would anti mutant human call himself Lucifer?

there are some humans have actually have names like that in real life some humans are weird ( they are people that actual name them selves after bad people in history and besides that Lucifer was a just a name like any other before it was in association to the religious view of the devil /evil.

It's kind like why people have the last name de vill . like the place the royal de vill.

you should wounder why any one would have a name like that in real life as their last name. But some people don't bother to question it. And you know you've come a across it some how weather it was TV or in litterateur some other way in real life. there are people with odd/ questionable names weather it's there former or sir name. there are people like that.

Any way they can just simply call him luscious and there people have not problem with having a name that seems to be attached to people who have done some great evil in the real world.

Except adding space aliens to a movie series that has been about equality and the mutant-human struggle is really convoluted.

how so? the point their are trying to make here is that "people are people are people" their is good and bad in any race. And the entire race shouldn't be persecuted over what a few of them did that is know to be bad.

That's like people that judge person over what their parent/ any relative did as a crime. the kid may not have ever agreed to what that parent/ relative did if the parent/ parent was all too happy to do so. As to the alien thing I equate it to the same thing if the X-men are to show way to acceptance and equality it apply to all things that live and are different that human have a tendency to fear.

Really then all race's and species also apply here in that thinking and they are showing that there two side to the coin in every thing that lives. they are saying you should put hate and fear just cause you recently met something that is different from how you normally view things. that's part of the message here. it's better to get to know that thing or people not fear them cause they are different.

Why not just have Magneto cripple Xavier, like in the Ultimate Universe or the cartoon, if he does it by mistake, out rage that would be more compelling then some space alien doing it.

Did you really miss the point of what others that spoke after you said on why mags should have issues with humans to the point he went so far in the first movie that singer made. the talk with prof X at the senate hearing? please think about it, there has to be a great reason why he distrusts them( normal humans), that he went so far to declare war on them. think two life times of persecution. and it happening to him a second time. it happening twice to cause magneto to snap. other wise there' no point in him saying" they will never change Charles."

And him for him to mentally separate him self from them when they are all humans despite him having powers.

It's probably cause he went through two life times of persecution. And them(certain individuals/normal humans) hurting some one that is close to him as his best friend as well as what happened to his family in the concentration camps( a reminder) is reason enough for his revolution against human oppression.

Its not like they put Fin Fang Foom in the Iron Man movies, some things just don't work on the silver screen.

Your missing the point,

as what my point was that your thinking limited as fox does. I'm not insulting you at all. But what I'm saying is that they put it in you that this won't work, when it can go ether way it's all in the execution of the story telling how much work they put into the special effects for it to work. suspension of dis belief .

Seriously star trek the movie of all things has been nominated for major awards recently and James Cameron's avatar is getting the same deal among others. if they get even a few of those that means the Average Jose are OK with whats put on film.

It's just in the execution and it has to be at the first run of those movies. Sci-fi is often used for social commentary to get people to look at issues like what X-Men discusses and teach some thing in a very clever ways. But also in a broad way that what their teaching you can be applied to a lot of things in a lot of ways.

 

[YoungE808]

Brett Ratner killed everyone.

 

[JP]

this is also the same guy who churned out an extremely boring and lackluster superman.... and wanted sigourney weaver as emma frost, didn't think the mutants should use there power with leisure (only necessity), made it "wolverine and the X-men", turned scott into a silent wimp, and refused to let storm fly... He's a great story teller, but let's not be naive and view him as a savior either.

1. Superman Returns was a critical success. It's not a bad movie, just not the movie fans wanted.

2. Sigourney Weaver would have been fantastic. Too late for that now.

3. Wanting power usage to make sense was a bad idea?

4. What does any of that have to do with making a huge continuity error, as you suggest?

5. When did I say he was a savior? I just implied that he's not an idiot, wile you suggest that he is and would make such an alarming mistake in continuity.

 

[Angamb]

Brett Ratner killed everyone.

Brett Ratner killed himself.

If he would have made a better movie, he would be doing this too.... so, f*** u, Brett.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Brett Ratner killed everyone.

actually... he really only killed jean, and psuedo off screen killed cyclops... xavier died but returned, and magneto, rogue, and mystique were depowered. Everyone knows that in a comic book, and off page death is a very easy out for a character to return, and obviously the cure didn't stick... but that's all beside the point.

This isn't about "who hurt the x-men worse" it's the fact that in all honesty no director or writer has gotten the x-men "right" sure somethings had to change, but others really shouldn't of.

Now Ratner didn't write X-3... and X3 was hurting alot for the actions Singer did cause... he broke his contract to direct the travesty that was Superman Returns... and then tried like a lil brat to steal the cast members away.. which he only successfully got James (he also had a lunch with Famke and originally casted Sean Ashmore as jimmy olsen). So it's no wonder Fox persued to stomp on his film and try to beat it to the theater. Cyclops lack of screen time and the quickly made film were all products of that (which was indeed fox's fault... but the studio also can't let a director boss them around like that. So i really don't blame them for that action.

Now that you all had a history lesson, lets not forget Singer developed these films and set there motions in path... he did great with some characters, but horrid with others.. He clearly didn't no how to use storm, made wolverine a "hunk", hired a no name actor he met at his gym for colossus (i have friends that know singer... he's a regular at bars in weho.. it's no secret he's a ****e who uses his "job" to get guys. Singer set alot of X3's events into motion.. he had people rooting for Wolverine and Jean over Scott and Jean... he made Cyclops completely unlikeable. He turned Iceman into the "good/shy/nice boy", and had no conception of X-men as a team.. hell all the fights were "wolverine vs someone (usually a woman)" while the other x-men had there lil short skirmishes, or in case of X1, running around like chickens with there heads caught off.

Singer is the best director we've had on the Xfilms, but again, he's no jesus either. He's no chris nolan, he's no john favarau, hell he's not even sam rami (close, but not quite)