Sequels X-Men: First Class

[Deaths Head II]

I'm still not seeing it as random. Wolverine was set in the early days, these were just kids, not full grown mutants with team affiliations. It's a fair assumption that there will be some who choose to stay with Xavier and end up as X-Men and some who side with Magneto and become the first members of his Brotherhood. Others will go their own ways, eg Marauders.

Having Generation X characters as some of the oldest Xavier students is pretty random.

I think I'd prefer characters from the comics to completely made-up characters. What's the point in making them up? I do look forward to Batman fighting the WindscreenWiper in the next movie or Spider-Man facing off against the Cosmetic Surgeon. Pffft.

I kinda agree, but then again what's the point of sticking the characters in when they don't resemble the comic characters at all? To make the fans giddy? Regular audience members won't recognize the character and a lot of the fans would probably be irked the character isn't at all like their comic counterpart. I didn't care about Emma's cameo because absolutely nothing about her felt like Emma except for the diamond skin. Most of the cameos felt that way. Hey, some Generation X characters are here...in the Wolverine prequel film...for some reason.

 

[X-Maniac]

Having Generation X characters as some of the oldest Xavier students is pretty random.

Only if you're a purist who expects comic book continuities to be rigidly transferred to the big screen. Since the films haven't done that so far, why be surprised now? I don't think we can expect all the multiple teams and spin-off books to get their own film series, so there is going to be some blending and merging to simplify things.

I kinda agree, but then again what's the point of sticking the characters in when they don't resemble the comic characters at all? To make the fans giddy? Regular audience members won't recognize the character and a lot of the fans would probably be irked the character isn't at all like their comic counterpart. I didn't care about Emma's cameo because absolutely nothing about her felt like Emma except for the diamond skin. Most of the cameos felt that way. Hey, some Generation X characters are here...in the Wolverine prequel film...for some reason.

Hardcore, purist fans are irked anyway, whatever is done with their favourite characters, whether it's Magneto or Storm or Emma Frost or whoever else. Singer was going to make Emma Frost an old flame of Xavier in his concept for X3, which is another entirely different take.

As I said, these were early versions of the characters so there is room (in the films or, if not, in your imagination) for the versions in Wolverine to become the versions with which you are more familiar.

In short, you're being far too anal about it. The films have established their own continuity, and you've been experiencing that since the first movie in 2000, so why still be shocked or irked almost a decade later. It smacks of inflexible fixation.

 

[Deaths Head II]

The thing is Singer always told stories regardless of how true to the books they were. The cameos in Wolverine were MADE to make me giddy. That's their only purpose. The original script had like a tiny fraction of the final number of cameos that were put into the film (and I don't consider the Blob to be a character that makes people run, not walk, to the movie theater anyway). They basically just got the guy who rewrote it to squeeze in cameos to make fans happy. They have no story merit whatsoever. When Wolverine came out most people complained about Emma so if the only reason she was put in was to make fans giddy I would call her a resounding failure. At least Sigourney Weaver as Emma would have been essential to the plot Singer was going to place her in. It's not a matter of purity, it's a matter of "what's the point?" Most fans that recognize these characters will complain and the audience won't care.

 

[Mad Ones]

I wouldn't mind a combination of things. It could be cool to mix some aspects of the New Mutant series into the movie. I already talked about how Cannonball could be a nice substitution for Iceman, and I think a competing academy would be a fun concept. Have a Massachusetts academy in which Emma Frost is recruited, and have that tie in somehow with the Hellfire Club (maybe they own the school), and I think they've got a dynamite idea.

So, in other words, I'd love to see a bunch of titles blended together to make a great movie. The possibilities are endless.

Edit: I agree with Death Heads. I want characters that make an impact on the story.

 

[X-Maniac]

The thing is Singer always told stories regardless of how true to the books they were. The cameos in Wolverine were MADE to make me giddy. That's their only purpose. The original script had like a tiny fraction of the final number of cameos that were put into the film (and I don't consider the Blob to be a character that makes people run, not walk, to the movie theater anyway). They basically just got the guy who rewrote it to squeeze in cameos to make fans happy. They have no story merit whatsoever. When Wolverine came out most people complained about Emma so if the only reason she was put in was to make fans giddy I would call her a resounding failure. At least Sigourney Weaver as Emma would have been essential to the plot Singer was going to place her in.

I have no complaints about Emma Frost, though i was thrown initially about her being Kayla's sister. Emma even served a purpose in helping Scott and the others to get out of the base, and that escape from the base actually serves to set up First Class.

I guess it's about finding the balance between pleasing the fans (and they're the ones on here asking for Gambit, Blob, etc) and coming up with a story that may ignore the fans altogether. With comic book adaptations it's a fine line, as you are responsible for bringing elements of the comic to the screen. To add new characters to the already-large mix, you have to remove or sideline others or add the new people as background cameos. There's no way that you can keep adding new people (who fans want to see) to the mix without some sacrifices being made.

I have no problem with background characters - the other kids at the school, the other members of Magneto's army - who are there to flesh out the mutant world, because I KNOW we are never going to see them all as central characters on screen. Jubilee was relegated to the background in all three X-movies, Kitty was too in the first two X-movies. Instead, a boy who can change TV channels with his eyelids got a notable cameo role which is debatable.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

idk, I am thinking, especially with Singer, back (as with his other movies) will establish Xavier’s institute as a actually school full of students, not just 5 or 6 kids making up the whole student body (I mean, who starts an entire school for 5 kids)

so, I think we will see most of the cameos from wolverine return, as well as many others, but, probably only as background characters and cameos

 

[BMM]

idk, I am thinking, especially with Singer, back (as with his other movies) will establish Xavier’s institute as a actually school full of students, not just 5 or 6 kids making up the whole student body (I mean, who starts an entire school for 5 kids)

so, I think we will see most of the cameos from wolverine return, as well as many others, but, probably only as background characters and cameos

Good point. That's something I've always liked about the films. They made the school a school, not a stronghold for a handful of people. I'll be interested to see what cameos there will be, as there are plenty from the X-Men's early years. If they wanted to stick to the source material, the could implement the likes of Havok, Mimic, Polaris, etc.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Singer will make It a real school.You will have 6 or 7 students as the focus
apart from Xavier,Magneto,and the villian.But others will be In the background.Remember Unlike the Last Stand and Wolverine he threw In
cameos and other things for fans to pick up on(Sneaking Iceman,Pryo,and
Kitty as Students in X-Men,and human looking Beast and Sebsastin Shaw debating on Tv,and Colussus as a memorable student)

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I wouldn't mind a combination of things. It could be cool to mix some aspects of the New Mutant series into the movie. I already talked about how Cannonball could be a nice substitution for Iceman, and I think a competing academy would be a fun concept. Have a Massachusetts academy in which Emma Frost is recruited, and have that tie in somehow with the Hellfire Club (maybe they own the school), and I think they've got a dynamite idea.

So, in other words, I'd love to see a bunch of titles blended together to make a great movie. The possibilities are endless.

Edit: I agree with Death Heads. I want characters that make an impact on the story.

i agree... ive been contemplating the same idea.. and like it.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

idk, I am thinking, especially with Singer, back (as with his other movies) will establish Xavier’s institute as a actually school full of students, not just 5 or 6 kids making up the whole student body (I mean, who starts an entire school for 5 kids)

so, I think we will see most of the cameos from wolverine return, as well as many others, but, probably only as background characters and cameos

Considering the only teachers at the school would be Xavier.. that's kind of alot of kids to handle don't you think? 1 teacher for 10+ young teens? he'd be out of his mind. Now... depending on the size of the first class... maybe Magneto and Moira could be teachers as well... but uh other then those 2... i see no one else who could help xavier teach and handle a bunch of rebellious teens with super powers.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

well, in x1 the only teachers were Xavier, Storm, Jean and Scott, for upwards of 50 to 100 students

 

[BMM]

Depending on his age, Beast could be a teacher as well. I see no problem with a teacher handling 10 young teenagers. There are plenty of teachers who do that on a daily basis and then some.

 

[BMM]

well, in x1 the only teachers were Xavier, Storm, Jean and Scott, for upwards of 50 to 100 students

Exactly.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

ya, when I was in school, it wasn't uncommon for classes to have 10-20 + students pre teacher

 

[spideyboy_1111]

well, in x1 the only teachers were Xavier, Storm, Jean and Scott, for upwards of 50 to 100 students

at 15 to 20 kids in a class... that isn't too bad.. id say though there was probably under 100 students in the school. there never really seemed to be a large amount.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

ya, when I was in school, it wasn't uncommon for classes to have 10-20 + students pre teacher

you gotta remember though.. its more then just a school.. they live there, the kids need counseling, food, cleaning, etc...

 

[BMM]

You have a good point, but they're teenagers, not toddlers. Along with the help of the teachers, they can take care of themselves and each other.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

and not just any teenagers, teenagers with mutant powers...
(Jean could clean her room with one thought, quicksliver could clean his in the blink of an eye,.... lol)

 

[spideyboy_1111]

You have a good point, but they're teenagers, not toddlers. Along with the help of the teachers, they can take care of themselves and each other.

umm teenagers... can be a hell of alot harder to handle then a toddler..ask a middle school/highschool teacher

 

[spideyboy_1111]

and not just any teenages, teenages with mutant powers...
(Jean could clean her room with one thought, quicksliver could clean his in the blink of an eye,.... lol)

jean could also nearly destroy the mansion in one though, quicksilver could have prank everyone in the blink of an eye by putting all the furniture outside or in the X-pool. these are teens coping with new found powers...

 

[BMM]

umm teenagers... can be a hell of alot harder to handle then a toddler..ask a middle school/highschool teacher

Teenagers may have issues, but they don't need constant supervision. That's my point. Take Harry Potter, for example. The students far outnumber the teachers, and while the students have issues and powers to match, they don't need constant tending to outside of the classroom.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Teenagers may have issues, but they don't need constant supervision. That's my point. Take Harry Potter, for example. The students far outnumber the teachers, and while the students have issues and powers to match, they don't need constant tending to outside of the classroom.

tell that to the Slitherin brethren...

 

[Mad Ones]

I don't know about this one. While I like seeing the school full of students, and it is odd having only four or five students in a massive mansion like that... I don't think it would work in this movie. I just can't see the school starting with a large student body. I want to see it start small and slowly increase in size showing to show a very slow progression of acceptance. This is the very beginning, and the school hasn't been established as a mutant support system yet.

I'd like to keep it small, private, and secret at first, where Xavier and Magneto individually choose the students, and eventually see the school become public as a place for mutants.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

the school was never publicly known as a place for mutants
(atleast not in the first couple of movies, maybe by the third, idk)

but, I wonder, though, if they only start it as a private school at first, should we maybe see a smaller location, instead, and not see the mansion just, yet?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

the school was never publicly known as a place for mutants
(atleast not in the first couple of movies, maybe by the third, idk)

but, I wonder, though, if they only start it as a private school at first, should we maybe see a smaller location, instead, and not see the mansion just, yet?

it's Xavier's mansion he inherited... people who are rich with less people living in a mansion then an old man and 5 students.. live in bigger mansions then the one in the X-films.. hell on smallville Lex (now tess), lives in the same mansion and its just him/her living there.