Sequels X-Men: First Class

[spideyboy_1111]

I 100% agree. I know plenty of comic fans that say Rogue's portrayal in the films was okay because she was more reserved and scared in her early years as an X-Man. I always hate when arguments boil down to how true a character is because then it's all a matter of perspective. I know plenty of people that don't think Peter or MJ in the films are close to the characters in the books.

Rogue should have grown into something far more iconic by the third film, she was always reserved, but she was also very much a southern belle and a fire cracker. Instead she regressed into more emo then she was in X1 in X3.

 

[X Knight]

honestly... i think Sinister could be done without him feeling like a bigger threat. To be honest in the cartoon and comics he was always either apoc's henchman, or was mostly just self contained to the mutant world, with his obsession over gambit, jean, and the summers family.

all of the following villains could EASILY be done and be entertaining without making them feel more epic then the other films... (Shadow King, Magneto and the Brotherhood, Emma Frost/Hellfire Club, Sinister, Krakoa, and Proteus) arguably, though even trickier, i could see the x-mansion getting attacked by prototype sentinels. This wouldn't have to be public, and the X-men shutting the factory down could explain 1) why there never seen or mentioned in the other films and 2) why the danger room had a program for one in X3

^^hmm....perhaps.......I just think it would be alot easier to just reboot and restart...but that's just my opinion......

Don't get me wrong though. Even though the character portrayals in the X-films weren't totally accurate, I certainly don't dislike any of the X-films. I can watch them and enjoy them for what they are.

I think we can all agree that Singer better deliver us something new and fresh with First Class.......something to get us excited about the X-men again...whether it's a prequel, reboot, or whatever. Just give us a good movie with story, character development, and action. IOW...combine the best elements of X1 and X2 ( story and character ) and X3 ( action ).

Someone mentioned that they wanted to use the Harry Potter films as inspiration for First Class. I'd certainly be interested in that.

And...who knows....maybe what they will do is turn First Class into its own separate series, that runs "parallel" to the other X-films. Like in the comics, you can have one title/series that is the "mainstream" title. Then another title/series that focuses on the early days of the X-men. They both exist in the same "universe" but with a different focus...

maybe that's what they will do with First Class....and then if it becomes a hit and starts its own series...it may gradually "replace" the other X-films as the preferred/mainstream version of the movie X-men.....

 

[spideyboy_1111]

overall i think people need to let go of the notion that this film will be a litteral "reboot" it's not. LSD has said it, Singer has said it... and FOX would be incredibly foolish to reboot a universe there 1) continuing to build upon with Deadpool and Wolverine 2 and 2) took a decade to form.

 

[X Knight]

overall i think people need to let go of the notion that this film will be a litteral "reboot" it's not. LSD has said it, Singer has said it... and FOX would be incredibly foolish to reboot a universe there 1) continuing to build upon with Deadpool and Wolverine 2 and 2) took a decade to form.

well...then....I can only pray they know what they're doing....lol.

After what Singer did with SR, I'm going to be cautiously optimistic about this and reserve my excitement and support until I start hearing more concrete info.

Hopefully....for the sake of all X-men fans....they will make this a good movie.....

in the meantime...I'm going to watch the new Karate Kid trailer and ponder the age-old philisophical question....WTF DOES THIS HAVE TO WITH KARATE??!!!!!!!

 

[Kurosawa]

overall i think people need to let go of the notion that this film will be a litteral "reboot" it's not. LSD has said it, Singer has said it... and FOX would be incredibly foolish to reboot a universe there 1) continuing to build upon with Deadpool and Wolverine 2 and 2) took a decade to form.

Unfortunately yes, it will not be a reboot.

 

[Young Superman]

I hope Wolverine's not in this.

 

[RAMORE]

I wish they would preboot the whole thing and have the original five and X and diff director but they won't do it cause it's fox. I wish Disney would pay them off assume the rights and do it over but better.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Bryan Singer had the toughest job compared to Rami,Nolan,and favraru.
And I prefer x2,and X-Men to the Spider-Man films and Iron Man.Rami did a
worse job bastarding all the Spider-man villians than anything Singer did.

And If you didn't like Superman Returns be aware you could have had a
even worse film had the J.J. Abrams scripted Superman reimagination
made it to the screen with Kryptan not exploding,Clark Kent raised to be ashmed of her abilites,and Lex Luthor being a Kryptain.Some will say It
Improved after the leaked first draft but nothing from suposed rewrites
has even made it online.Superman Returns despite what some will claim
was not another batman and Robin.It hit 200 Million domesticly.That Is
better than X-Men did.Even better than Wolverine.This Is not counting what
It did overseas and on DVD.People are free to dislike it but calling it a
huge bomb Is not accurate.

If there was a reboot there would almost certainly be Wolverine In It as a
major character.It would not make sence to have Singer return for a reboot.
Considering there will be a Wolverine sequel there Is no chance of a reboot.It IS one thing for them with Deadpool to ignore Deadpool's apperance In Wolverine(although they should really recast and bring In new producers)
but rebooting X-Men at the same time a wolverine sequel Is being done would
be crazy.And besides If a rebbot of X-Men were done nobody associated with
previous films should be Involved.This was a major problem for me with
Casino Royale.You should not have people doing the films rebooting the series.And you certainly should not keep Judi Dench as M.Star trek has a a alternate timeline created so they have can have reasons within contunity to bring Leonard Nimoy back as Spock.It just makes no sence to keep Dench as M.

I just hope the writer Singer has brought In looks at more than the Ultimate
line.This Is problem with Marvel films Is many of the people doing them only
look at Ultimate line when adapting the characters

 

[X Knight]

well...something Singer said in his recent interview caught my attention:

"And as young characters, they are quite different than the characters we have seen in the contemporary movies."

hopefully that means that even though we'll be seeing the same characters in the same universe/continuity, Singer will breath new life into the characters and still give us something fresh and different.

and...maybe..."reboot" is not the right word here.....but more like "retooling" or "reworking."

It's like.....you take the existing characters and "flesh" them out more, tweaking them, making them better......

Like with Cyclops, I'm sure there's lots of things Singer wished he could have done differently or better with that character ( and I'm sure all directors, writers, etc. feel that way ). In fact, didn't Singer want to expand Cyclop's role ( and his relationship with Jean ) in X3 and X4 ( and Storm's role too )? I think he mentioned that once when discussing his ideas for X3 and beyond.

So....since you can't go back and change what's already happened.....perhaps ( and hopefully ) Singer will use First Class as a chance to "revisit" the characters he worked with previously and do things with them he didn't get a chance to do before.....to explore the characters deeper and flesh them out some more.......

 

[marvelrobbins]

Cyclops could be the Character that benefits the most from a Singer helmed
prequel.You have a chance to show the begining of his and Jean's relationship.I can see a Cylcops Jean Emme frost triangle.You can also
show the relationship between Xavier and magneto,and show Cyclops rise to
lead the first group of X-Men.I would love tos ee the climax battle be
Inspired by Children of the atom with Xavier going after villian but the group
of students that are the first X-men team go after him to aid him and
Cyclops shows his leadership abilities.

 

[Angamb]

I agree. I think Cyclops fans will be really pleased with this movie.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The difference between what singer did compared to Nolan/Raimi/Favraru is that he changed charcters so completely around not only for needless reasons, but only identifiable by there mutant powers. Tony Stark was still tony stark, Pepper pots was still pepper pots, jarvis... while now a computer program still acted like I'd imagine a real life jarvis acting, Aunt may was still aunt may, peter was still peter (just less sarcastic), MJ was still the popular red head, harry was still harry, ben was still ben, and norman was still norman, ock was still a mad scientist, bruce wayne was still bruce wayne...

you get what i'm saying?

rogue was not rogue, cyclops was not cyclops, iceman was certainly not iceman, and storm was CERTAINLY not storm

But in 2000, comic book movies were still very taboo and still looked down upon in the industry, Singer to ground stuff a lot more than Raimi, Nolan or especially Favreau had to, people have to take in the movie industries of the time.

Singer also had a budget or, adjusted for inflation, nearly $100 lower than Nolan and Favreau, and about 80 million lower than Raimi, why people seem to forget these things is beyond me. Not to mention he was doing a team movie when the others were doing solo heroes movies.

If we had gotten a Singer directed X-Men between 2006-2008, it would have been a very different movie, but in 2000, he had to get people to take his movie seriously.

Add in Fox moving the release date forward 6 months DURING PRODUCTION and the restrictions they put on him, and people fail to realise the fantastic job Singer did with X-Men

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I never said wolvie was focused on less than others. He was still the one with the most screen time, but that screen time was 1) more shared then previous films, and 2) it was less screen time total then in X1 and X2

Sorry, but no, I totally disagree Spidey, I loved Wolverine in X1 and X2, I ended up hating him in X3 because he got so much of the limelight. Even my aunty, who is in love with Wolverine, didnt like X3 because it focused on Wolverine too much.

In X3 he got all the 'saving' to do and all the most important scene's and plenty of the non important one's as well. The main reason I dislike X3, other than I find it shoddily made, was the focus on Wolverine and making him into a character he wasnt. In X1, we got plenty of scene's from the other characters, and Jean, Xavier, Nightcrawler, Rogue, Iceman, Pyro and Storm all got plenty of scene's as well. Out of those, only really Storm got lengthy scene's in X3.

I honestly couldnt disagree more with you on this, and it seems plenty of others agree with me.

 

[X Knight]

But in 2000, comic book movies were still very taboo and still looked down upon in the industry, Singer to ground stuff a lot more than Raimi, Nolan or especially Favreau had to, people have to take in the movie industries of the time.

Singer also had a budget or, adjusted for inflation, nearly $100 lower than Nolan and Favreau, and about 80 million lower than Raimi, why people seem to forget these things is beyond me. Not to mention he was doing a team movie when the others were doing solo heroes movies.

If we had gotten a Singer directed X-Men between 2006-2008, it would have been a very different movie, but in 2000, he had to get people to take his movie seriously.

Add in Fox moving the release date forward 6 months DURING PRODUCTION and the restrictions they put on him, and people fail to realise the fantastic job Singer did with X-Men

While I don't dispute any of that, especially in regards to budget constraints affecting the action ( especially in X1 ), I still think Singer could have made the characters a bit closer to the comics.......

Now....I'm not saying that the characters had to run around in bright colorful spandex costumes ( like in the comics ), or spout cheesey one-liners cuz it's a "comic book" movie. In fact, I much prefer the movie costumes over the bright/gaudy comic costumes, and I appreciated the fact that Singer did approach his movie with seriousness and intelligence and ground it in reality.....

However, I seriously doubt that the studio execs and the public would have taken X1 less seriously if Cyclops had been portrayed as more of a stronger leader, if Wolverine had been shorter and more feral/animal-like, if Sabertooth had been more cunning and ruthless instead of big, dumb brute, etc.

Character-wise, Singer was a bit off. Doesn't mean he didn't do a good job on X1 and X2....he did and he helped to restart a whole movie genre. But, making the characters a bit closer to the comics is one area he could have improved on ( as well as upping the action ). And, in the end, that's his and his writer's fault.

Maybe he planned on addressing these issues in X3 and X4. Maybe he planned on making Cyclops a stronger leader ( I think he did allude to that ). Maybe he planned on making Rogue a bit more self-confident, spunkier, and sassier. Maybe he would have been given a bigger budget to work with and thus upped the action tenfold from X1 and X2......

Maybe.....but....alas....we'll never know.......

All we can do now is look forward to First Class....and hope that Singer will learn from his past, tweak and flesh out the characters some more, and give us a great X-men movie that combines intelligent story, character development, and kick a** action.......

 

[X Knight]

Sorry, but no, I totally disagree Spidey, I loved Wolverine in X1 and X2, I ended up hating him in X3 because he got so much of the limelight. Even my aunty, who is in love with Wolverine, didnt like X3 because it focused on Wolverine too much.

In X3 he got all the 'saving' to do and all the most important scene's and plenty of the non important one's as well. The main reason I dislike X3, other than I find it shoddily made, was the focus on Wolverine and making him into a character he wasnt. In X1, we got plenty of scene's from the other characters, and Jean, Xavier, Nightcrawler, Rogue, Iceman, Pyro and Storm all got plenty of scene's as well. Out of those, only really Storm got lengthy scene's in X3.

I honestly couldnt disagree more with you on this, and it seems plenty of others agree with me.

yah....Wolverine was turned into Scott.......he was made team leader and barking orders when that should have been Cyclop's role.

If anyone needed to take over as leader with Scott gone, it should have been Storm ( even Xavier told her that he wanted HER to take over ). Even in the comics, Storm has taken over as leader of the X-men, or led her own team of X-men......

But...no.....good ol Wolvie just had to hog all the spotlight....

Ironically, though, when Wolvie finally did get his own solo film...which should have focused on HIM.....his film gets crowded out by including a bunch of other mutants, some of who don't have anything to do with his origin ( cough....Gambit.....young Cyclops....cough ).......

go figure.....

 

[Deaths Head II]

Ironically, though, when Wolvie finally did get his own solo film...which should have focused on HIM.....his film gets crowded out by including a bunch of other mutants, some of who don't have anything to do with his origin ( cough....Gambit.....young Cyclops....cough )....

Yeah, I really found that funny. The cameos from other X-Characters is the only reason I really got excited for the film and they're the only things I really liked about it (aside from Weapon XI Deadpool).

 

[spideyboy_1111]

well...something Singer said in his recent interview caught my attention:

"And as young characters, they are quite different than the characters we have seen in the contemporary movies."

hopefully that means that even though we'll be seeing the same characters in the same universe/continuity, Singer will breath new life into the characters and still give us something fresh and different.

and...maybe..."reboot" is not the right word here.....but more like "retooling" or "reworking."

It's like.....you take the existing characters and "flesh" them out more, tweaking them, making them better......

Like with Cyclops, I'm sure there's lots of things Singer wished he could have done differently or better with that character ( and I'm sure all directors, writers, etc. feel that way ). In fact, didn't Singer want to expand Cyclop's role ( and his relationship with Jean ) in X3 and X4 ( and Storm's role too )? I think he mentioned that once when discussing his ideas for X3 and beyond.

So....since you can't go back and change what's already happened.....perhaps ( and hopefully ) Singer will use First Class as a chance to "revisit" the characters he worked with previously and do things with them he didn't get a chance to do before.....to explore the characters deeper and flesh them out some more.......

he said that about X3 after it had came out and fans had been complaining... in all honesty it came off as a "oooo look at what i was gonna do" piece of BS. it was quite obvious in X1 and X2 he really had no concern to flesh out either one of them... just said so to make fans go "ooo look what we could have had, damn you ratner!!!!"

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Sorry, but no, I totally disagree Spidey, I loved Wolverine in X1 and X2, I ended up hating him in X3 because he got so much of the limelight. Even my aunty, who is in love with Wolverine, didnt like X3 because it focused on Wolverine too much.

In X3 he got all the 'saving' to do and all the most important scene's and plenty of the non important one's as well. The main reason I dislike X3, other than I find it shoddily made, was the focus on Wolverine and making him into a character he wasnt. In X1, we got plenty of scene's from the other characters, and Jean, Xavier, Nightcrawler, Rogue, Iceman, Pyro and Storm all got plenty of scene's as well. Out of those, only really Storm got lengthy scene's in X3.

I honestly couldnt disagree more with you on this, and it seems plenty of others agree with me.

sounds like a personal opinion then.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

But in 2000, comic book movies were still very taboo and still looked down upon in the industry, Singer to ground stuff a lot more than Raimi, Nolan or especially Favreau had to, people have to take in the movie industries of the time.

Singer also had a budget or, adjusted for inflation, nearly $100 lower than Nolan and Favreau, and about 80 million lower than Raimi, why people seem to forget these things is beyond me. Not to mention he was doing a team movie when the others were doing solo heroes movies.

If we had gotten a Singer directed X-Men between 2006-2008, it would have been a very different movie, but in 2000, he had to get people to take his movie seriously.

Add in Fox moving the release date forward 6 months DURING PRODUCTION and the restrictions they put on him, and people fail to realise the fantastic job Singer did with X-Men

unfortunately no one can answer any of that... and none of what you said about "What could of been" is fact.... we will never know what would have changed.. thats the truth behind that. and that indeed is the fact.

 

[JP]

he said that about X3 after it had came out and fans had been complaining... in all honesty it came off as a "oooo look at what i was gonna do" piece of BS. it was quite obvious in X1 and X2 he really had no concern to flesh out either one of them... just said so to make fans go "ooo look what we could have had, damn you ratner!!!!"

You're so good at making inferences.

 

[Halcohol]

JP, Ratner sucked, but not as bad as the script. I hope we can all agree on that.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

You're so good at making inferences.

why thank you

but in all seriousness... ive experienced some of singers personality first hand... and know many others who've dealt with him... and his professional public relations is way different... the guy makes great movies, but personality wise, he's a liar, a creep, and is an attention ****e. So my inferences are based on alot of things i know about the guy, and i feel are pretty accurate, especially since he didn't announce anything he was planning to do for X3 until after fans were already irate.

 

[Halcohol]

why thank you

but in all seriousness... ive experienced some of singers personality first hand... and know many others who've dealt with him... and his professional public relations is way different... the guy makes great movies, but personality wise, he's a liar, a creep, and is an attention ****e. So my inferences are based on alot of things i know about the guy, and i feel are pretty accurate, especially since he didn't announce anything he was planning to do for X3 until after fans were already irate.

I don't give a crap what he's like as a person. I'm sure Brett Ratner is a total dickweed to hang out with, but that doesn't change my already terrible opinion of him as a director. It just expands it to make him a terrible person in general.

Bryan Singer can beat people with a stick for all I care, as long as he entertains me. Sounds crass and insensitive to all the people who have to deal with him, but that's why me and three hundred million other people will all pay money to see his movies: because they tend to be good.

He's got a good grasp on this universe and I will totally look forward to whatever he decides to bring to First Class. I only wish Iceman could be part of the original team

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I don't give a crap what he's like as a person. I'm sure Brett Ratner is a total dickweed to hang out with, but that doesn't change my already terrible opinion of him as a director. It just expands it to make him a terrible person in general.

Bryan Singer can beat people with a stick for all I care, as long as he entertains me. Sounds crass and insensitive to all the people who have to deal with him, but that's why me and three hundred million other people will all pay money to see his movies: because they tend to be good.

He's got a good grasp on this universe and I will totally look forward to whatever he decides to bring to First Class. I only wish Iceman could be part of the original team

for the record:
none of that was to tell people that he wasn't a good director, or that they shouldn't be happy hes directing (im actually glad to see him return). My message was simply expanding on why he said the stuff about Cyclops getting expanded upon after X3's release, and after fan revolt. That has nothing to do with him being a professional or a director... thats his own personality and comments on a movie he did not make.

 

[JP]

JP, Ratner sucked, but not as bad as the script. I hope we can all agree on that.

Well, doi!