Sequels X-Men: First Class

[BMM]

The news certainly caught me by surprise. I can think of a million more reasons why I would reboot the X-Men franchise before I would reboot the Spider-Man franchise.

 

[the a1ant]

Same here.

ok....just saw on the Hype homepage that Sony is thinking of rebooting the Spider-man franchise, with a new cast and crew, and with a focus on Peter's early/high-school years.

That....to say the least.....is quite shocking!! While Spidey 3 wasn't as good as 1 and 2, the Spidey franchise was still considered quite strong....wasn't it?

Yet....it seems Sony is now wanting to REBOOT the whole franchise!!

what.....does this say about First Class??

Obviously, Fox has already chosen to go with Singer again......but, perhaps, they should take a page from Sony and use this opportunity to reboot the X-men franchise......

I honestly think they should just reboot at this point. Trying to keep 'First Class' in the same continuity as X1-X3 will only limit their room for creative growth.

I say do 'Wolverine: Japan' and close that universe out. Although I would love to see it, X4 chances are probably zilch. They have Singer back, yet they're not pursuing that film.

Deadpool's going to be different enough that it will probably count as it's own semi-reboot.

 

[danoyse]

The only problem I forsee would be an over-saturation of reboots. Fantastic Four is already getting one, now Spiderman is. Audiences will get tired of seeing constant remakes of franchises they've spent the better part of the last 10 years watching.

Right now I think the better direction for them to be in right now is the First Class prequel, if for no other reason then it's something other than a reboot.

 

[Ratcrawler]

Not really. One could argue that the entire Bond series is made up almost entirely of reboots. He's been 35 since the 60s.

I think the only thing preventing Fox from rebooting X-Men is Hugh Jackman. Given the right incentive (hint:$$$) they'd recast everyone and make a movie that feels like an indirect sequel where the characters are familiar but their histories are more vague.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Jackman will be recasted no more than five years after his last Wolverine film. Obviously they are going to need Wolverine in an X-Men sequel eventually. Jackman can't play the character for more than another 3-4 years. I am going to have a hard time buying Wolverine 2 as a prequel. At least in Origins, the makeup and lighting worked for the most part. Unless they bust out that CGI ****. As far as First Class, I say you may as well reboot. Or preboot the thing if you are not sure it will garner sequels. I mean everything else is getting rebooted at this point so why not? It's like the new animated series that spring up every five years for a new generation of kids, only about a few 100 million dollars more expensive to produce.

 

[BMM]

Not really. One could argue that the entire Bond series is made up almost entirely of reboots. He's been 35 since the 60s.

I think the only thing preventing Fox from rebooting X-Men is Hugh Jackman. Given the right incentive (hint:$$$) they'd recast everyone and make a movie that feels like an indirect sequel where the characters are familiar but their histories are more vague.

I think there's a difference between one series, which arguably reboots, and the oversaturation of a market. It could become tiresome, especially once franchises like Fantastic Four and Spider-Man, which just had origin stories brought to the big screen, begin presumably rebooting with yet another round of origin stories. Unfortunately, the one franchise, if any, that has the best potential for a reboot is the X-Men franchise... and, thus far, it doesn't look like it's getting one. I will be really interested to see if this recent Spider-Man news has any impact on Fox's future plans for the X-Men franchise. I think a1ant hit the nail on the head insofar as what I think Fox should do, if the studio decides to reboot.

 

[Legion]

OMG please reboot X-Men!!! This crap series doesn't need more crappy prequels!!

 

[marvelrobbins]

You don't hire the director who started the series to reboot it.I use Batman
Begins and Star Trek as examples of bringing In almost entire teams.This was one the major problems I had with the so called Bond reboot(apart from
there was no reason for a reboot.They could easily Introduce a new actor as
Bond In a more down to earth film and keep the loose contunity the series
has as well as copying the Bourne series) and Is a problem with the Spider-Man reboot(keeping the same producers) most of the time I consider reboot
the easy way out.And why should fans care about contunity If a couple of films later they will just throw all of It away.

And people need to realize if a reboot of the X-Men happen then Wolverine
will still be the central character.You have a chance this way for a non Wolverine X-Men film.

 

[Deaths Head II]

That's a good point. There is no way for them to squeeze Wolverine in a prequel. In a reboot, they will be free to use Wolverine and make him take center stage again. A prequel will actually be one of the few Wolverine-less modern X-Men ventures ever, since they cram him into the comics, games, tv shows, and basically everything.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

Everyone is looking for a reboot these days because they were unhappy with what they got...

But you miss out on one big fact about the industry is that although FOX made the x-men... whose to say any other studio would had done anything different?

The way i see it, Fox had a controlling say into making the movie, Marvel had a controlling say into the movie, the Director who wants to make something truely original has to fight between the two, plus fans and his own concious.

What you got to remember is this...! for a superhero movie they fall into two catergories, ones that need big buget and those that dont... Good example of this was Punisher that was a good movie, lower budget but it didnt need a bigger budget now? thats because as a superhero movie the special effects were not needed as compaired to the likes of spiderman or x-men or even fantastic four.

Out there, who are the big studios that could make such films as x-men? Hmmm... Hmmm well i can think of 5 - Sony, Universal, Disney, 20th Centry Fox & Paramount - theres probably a few more but my point is.... Each one of these studios would of done the same as Fox has done with the x-men... Because they want to make money off it. For a movie like X-Men a smaller budget is just simply impossible to produce at a smaller studio... Ok ok so why not have Marvel Entertainment make the movie.... well although they are going from strength to strength they are still largely considered a smaller studio. Plus if they really had the money to make the movie would they have sold the company to Disney?

Now the way i look at it is this... The fans are too damanding, and a little OCD as (everything has to be like it is from the comic books)

Picture this... its the year 2000. You cast largely nobodies to take on the roles of the x-men, why? because with nobodies you geniuely get the oppertunity to make sequels and non of the actors are tied up making it difficult. But in order to make this kind of movie you have to throw in one or two known actors like Sir Patrick Stewart and Sir Ian McKellan.

What happend was Hugh Jackman became Wolverine, the rest of the cast became known for the respective x-men roles and the movie was such a success we now have 4 movies.

So when people go on about reboot i want a reboot, there doing it all wrong. If there doing it all wrong, then how are they making so much money off it.

And i ask the question

Is the reason you want a reboot because X-Men the movie franchise wasnt as you expected but you feel that it can be saved some how? I have yet to see a good enough answer to this question.

So be happy with what you got because although nobody liked Bret Ratners take on x-men 3, well... it was a hell of alot better than Batman & Robin

 

[BMM]

If they're doing it right, why is there no X-Men 4? If they're doing it right, why did the studio not invite Brett Ratner back? If they're doing it right, why do the budgets keep getting bigger but the returns smaller? If they're doing it right, why is the studio seeking Singer's help? If they're doing it right, why are the films moving backward instead of forward?

 

[Nightmare]

Im sure first class would be the start of a new trilogy or so. As someone said though, Hugh Jackman's name as Wolverine would be hard to recast and wont happen till after Wolverine 2. Nothing much to worry about there. I wonder which mutants will take part in First Class.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

BMM i didnt say they were doing it right. Im just questioning weather you (and when i mean you i mean as the fans and everyone who expects it to be done right) dont realise the gravity of creating something like the x-men on cinema.

All im saying is what Fox has done, is no different to any other large studio.

so far your reply has sounded to me like "Blah, blah, blah not listening" at least give it alot more thought... Oh and i want to set something straight.

1. Fox was in trouble when they were making X-Men 3, they didnt have time to find the right director. Yes Bryan Singer should of directed X-Men 3, Yes the movie would be similar in story and not alot would of been different except fans would be a little bit more happier because as soon as someone says change of directors they think Batman and Robin... and then the director is slated... First off the story was bad, that was curtsy of too many people interfering and nobody having the balls to say this wouldnt work. Brett Ratner was just in the right place at the right time. And i cant really fault the movie other than maybe having too many cameos for mutants that didnt need to be in it? ... Quills?

Look im not saying that the X-Men Quadrilogy was perfect... But it's the best that anyone could expected from such a franchise upon translation to big screen. doesnt matter what studio makes it, the end result would of probably been the same.

Why is there no X-Men 4... why is there no star wars 4? no they did a prequel... Oh wait a minute wasnt wolverine a prequel? isnt first class follows and essentially a wolverine 2 movie? spin offs or just a prequel trilogy just like star wars?


Why is singer back? well he never really left...
> The reason singer didnt do x3 is because he wanted to wait a few years before he tackled it, studio didnt want that and so he left the project. Doesnt mean he is finished with it. Look at the harry potter series... Different directors for most of the series of films but look at how many have done more than one... several films later. If they made X-Men 4 singer would do it, If they made x-men the prequel Singer would do it... Ok so you may ask why didnt he do wolverine movie.

Well that is relatively simple... Hugh Jackman is wolverine... so Fox really have to bend around him to make him happy so he plays wolverine for the nice big screen. Hugh wanted to bring production to his home town, which you cant blame him. Would you want to spend all that time away from home. But again you couldnt ask Bryan Singer to fly out there and spend oh quiet some time to make a movie. Remember only the star of the film and the crew spend majority of the time on set.... the rest only play small parts. Its a big commitment.

So when i heard the news that Bryan Singer was going to do first class. My initial thought isnt because Fox realised there mistake. There was no mistake other than they ran out of time and didnt wait. Fox has optioned another x-men movie and singer is available to do it. and i dont get why you think the films are going backwards instead of forwards.

 

[BMM]

BMM i didnt say they were doing it right. Im just questioning weather you (and when i mean you i mean as the fans and everyone who expects it to be done right) dont realise the gravity of creating something like the x-men on cinema.

Yes, I realize the gravity of bringing something like X-Men to the big screen. It takes time and dedication, not a studio that doesn’t have confidence in its product.

so far your reply has sounded to me like "Blah, blah, blah not listening" at least give it alot more thought... Oh and i want to set something straight.

I have. Also, if we’re going to be setting things straight…

1. Fox was in trouble when they were making X-Men 3, they didnt have time to find the right director. Yes Bryan Singer should of directed X-Men 3, Yes the movie would be similar in story and not alot would of been different except fans would be a little bit more happier because as soon as someone says change of directors they think Batman and Robin...

Not a lot would have been different? Based on what??? Every bit of information points to entirely different visions, save for the inclusion of Phoenix.

Look im not saying that the X-Men Quadrilogy was perfect... But it's the best that anyone could expected from such a franchise upon translation to big screen. doesnt matter what studio makes it, the end result would of probably been the same.

Again, based on what? Taking all of the different variables into account, you can’t even begin to say that had the studios been different the end result would be the same.

Why is there no X-Men 4... why is there no star wars 4? no they did a prequel... Oh wait a minute wasnt wolverine a prequel? isnt first class follows and essentially a wolverine 2 movie? spin offs or just a prequel trilogy just like star wars?

There is a Star Wars 4. Trying to compare the X-Men franchise to that of Star Wars doesn’t work. They aren’t the same.

Why is singer back? well he never really left...

> The reason singer didnt do x3 is because he wanted to wait a few years before he tackled it, studio didnt want that and so he left the project. Doesnt mean he is finished with it. Look at the harry potter series... Different directors for most of the series of films but look at how many have done more than one... several films later. If they made X-Men 4 singer would do it, If they made x-men the prequel Singer would do it... Ok so you may ask why didnt he do wolverine movie.

Well that is relatively simple... Hugh Jackman is wolverine... so Fox really have to bend around him to make him happy so he plays wolverine for the nice big screen. Hugh wanted to bring production to his home town, which you cant blame him. Would you want to spend all that time away from home. But again you couldnt ask Bryan Singer to fly out there and spend oh quiet some time to make a movie. Remember only the star of the film and the crew spend majority of the time on set.... the rest only play small parts. Its a big commitment.

I’m not sure what your point is. If your point is that Singer couldn’t direct X-Men Origins: Wolverine because Australia is too far away, then I don’t know how you explain him directing Superman Returns in Australia.

and i dont get why you think the films are going backwards instead of forwards.

…Because they are moving backward. They are going back to the beginning, because the studio has no desire to move forward beyond The Last Stand.

 

[JP]

…Because they are moving backward. They are going back to the beginning, because the studio has no desire to move forward beyond The Last Stand.

And they shouldn't

 

[BMM]

That I agree with.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I'd rather they move on. I don't see the point in bolstering the lore of the filmverse pre-X1 when the final outcome will forever be so disappointing.

 

[BMM]

I think Fox should either continue to pursue First Class or reboot. I don't think the studio can feasibly move on or will.

 

[Legion]

Reboot please. Why would these characters want to save a franchise they no longer have any stake in?

Cyclops, Jean, and Storm hardly amounted to anything in the core trilogy and now we're supposed to be interested in their high school antics?

We are supposed to want to see what the team was like before Wolverine came along and saved them? Cuz that's pretty much what happened.

They didnt seem very competent on the battlefield. And if you tried to imagine the movies without Wolverine...their missions more than likely would have resulted in failure since he did all the fighting, had the best strategies, and saved the day in every movie.

 

[BMM]

…except for the fact that Magneto would have single handedly stopped or killed him in every movie had it not been for the rest of the team, but, yes, you kind of have a point.

 

[Young Superman]

Who do you guys think will make up the X-Men team roster in X-Men: First Class?

 

[Electrix]

Who do you guys think will make up the X-Men team roster in X-Men: First Class?

Jean, Cyclops, Beast and Storm have been confirmed previously. That was when Josh Schwartz was writing the script though, so Singer's version may have a different line-up. They will probably still be in it I assume. They are the 'core' characters everyone is familiar with.

 

[the a1ant]

Cyclops, Jean, and Storm hardly amounted to anything in the core trilogy and now we're supposed to be interested in their high school antics?

I think Jean has the potential to be interesting, considering she was powerful at a very young age. In X1 she was weak and still learning, but we eventually learned it was because of what Xavier did to her. That would be cool to see played out.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

BMM I'm still at a loss with you. My point isnt the fact that if it was done by a different studio you would of ended up with the same thing.

You could of had an entirely different movie... my point is simply this.

What if they did the reboot... however lets say Disney got the rights to make the movies...

This is just a what if... ha like the comics... what if Disney make X-Men reboot and it was worser than Batman & Robin? But because fans like you kicking and screaming for a reboot lead to them having to make a reboot with a different studio and the result is that the reboot has become a joke... Would you truely be happy?

You fans need to learn that you can not have it your way. so Grow up!

 

[BMM]

BMM I'm still at a loss with you. My point isnt the fact that if it was done by a different studio you would of ended up with the same thing.

I never said it was.

You could of had an entirely different movie... my point is simply this.

What if they did the reboot... however lets say Disney got the rights to make the movies...

This is just a what if... ha like the comics... what if Disney make X-Men reboot and it was worser than Batman & Robin? But because fans like you kicking and screaming for a reboot lead to them having to make a reboot with a different studio and the result is that the reboot has become a joke... Would you truely be happy?

You fans need to learn that you can not have it your way. so Grow up!

Have you ever given thought to the fact that the possibility of a movie being bad, even as bad as Batman and Robin, is present every single time a movie is made, regardless of whether it’s a reboot or if it’s a continuation of the current franchise and regardless of the studio producing it? The thought of a reboot being bad is a possibility and something I've thought about. You're not exactly revealing anything new. If the movie is bad, so what? It's just a movie. I would rather a studio take the risk at shooting for greatness and fail, than a studio that settles for mediocrity every single time.