Comics X-Men: Last Man Standing (Round 3)

[Exploding Boy]

Huh... thats strange. Ill do it again.

It isint working... oh well

 

[Wolverazio]

I can't remember where but it is stated explicitly that Storm manipulates weather, she does not create it. So logically, it would take more energy and time to do something difficult (ie, create an electrical storm in England or a blizzard in the middle of the desert).

Havok, on the other hand, generates his blasts (as he is constantly absorbing energy).

So like I said before...Havok go BOOM!

But Sebita will not concede defeat so I generally avoid getting into a debate with him. After all...the votes will speak.

 

[HandOfFate]

I can't remember where but it is stated explicitly that Storm manipulates weather, she does not create it. So logically, it would take more energy and time to do something difficult (ie, create an electrical storm in England or a blizzard in the middle of the desert).

While Storm doesn't create weather pattern, her mind is connected to her environment. This allows her to manipulate weather system very quickly, she been known to create extreme weather phenomenon in several seconds. She can pull lightning out of the clear blue sky with just a thought and create a hurricane inside of the X-Mansion underground infirmary within a blink of a eye (UXM 175).

As you can see Storm's ability to manipulate the weather over small location is pretty fast. What takes a long time is when she trying to manipulate weather systems over a large location, like creating a storm over half of the the United States.

IMO, this battle actually comes down to who thinks and reacts faster.

Storm's lightning bolt Vs Havok's plasma bolt.

 

[Valechan]

She doesn't even need lightning, she can easily conjure hurricane winds, remember the flash flood of Uncanny 95?? How on Earth is Havok going to avoid that? And Ororo is perfectly attuned to her enviroment (again, Uncanny 311), she has far more chance to avoid his blasts than he does of avoiding hers.

And btw, I thought this was a vote thread, people vote, give their point of view, and then they tally the votes, how come every single Ororo thing I say gets disputed?? It's really unnerving. There is not a single X-Man able to defeat Ororo, they never had, they never will.

 

[El Bastardo]

^ I'd say that's probably why every single thing you say gets disputed.

... Just a hunch, though.

 

[Valechan]

Thing is, I have the bibliography to back my words. Few do.

 

[Exploding Boy]

Didint Cyclops beat the whole team at one point? Was Ororo in that team at that time?

 

[HandOfFate]

And btw, I thought this was a vote thread, people vote, give their point of view, and then they tally the votes, how come every single Ororo thing I say gets disputed??

I’m not directing this at you, so please don’t get offended but I’ve noticed that some poster say stuff without thinking about the capabilities of the opponent.

It's really unnerving. There is not a single X-Man able to defeat Ororo, they never had, they never will.

Well first of all, you should step back and look at the individual power level of the X-Men. While Storm would win against a majority of the X-Men she would have a hard time defeating Magneto, Prof. X, Vulcan, and Juggernaut, who all have pretty impressive track records.

IMO, Storm would only break even in a fight with Marvel Girl, Polaris and Psylocke at her current power level. Just incase anybody wondering, I also place Jean Grey (Non-Phoenix Mode) on the same level.

Didint Cyclops beat the whole team at one point? Was Ororo in that team at that time?

Cyke beat the X-Men with the help of the Danger Room.

 

[Valechan]

She once had Magneto beging for air, if he hadn't hurled Colossus at her, she would have succeded (Uncanny 150). A warskrull impersonating Xavier and using his powers through a machine, attempted to mind-control Ororo. He was unable to (Uncanny 277), so, Ororo can withstand Xavier's mind-attacks. Vulcan... well, his power has yet to be fully explained.
Juggy... Currently he is far less powerful than before. I'm thinking she could create a vast hurricane like in X-Treme 33 and hurl him off to space.

About Cyclops, the issue you think of is Uncanny 175, he didn't actually beat the entire team, he just delayed them and ran, and he was able to fell Ororo because she hesitated in striking him, because she suspected he was not who they all thought he was (Mastermind made them believe Cyclops was Dark Phoenix).Ç

 

[Exploding Boy]

I think having Jean is this is kind of unfair. Because even without the P-Force she is still an Omega Level Mutant. So maybe you should make her at her power of when she first joined the Xmen with just TK and low TP? Because she will cream anyone in this competion.

 

[Valechan]

No she won't. I know a certain goddess than can kick her ass with ease. And being Omega means ****, I mean, look at Iceman, he's Omega and he lost, didn't he??

 

[Exploding Boy]

Yeah but Jean actully displays her Omega status unlike Mr.Drake. And I think Storm might be taken out this round.

 

[Valechan]

Only because people here are biased. There is absolutely no way that HAvok can defeat Ororo. I mean, he has to aim at her, and she can easily avoid anything he throws, no matter how wide his attack is. The only he can beat her is if she's sleeping.

 

[Exploding Boy]

His shot doesent have to be a little beam. It can be a huge explosion.

 

[Valechan]

Still she can avoid it, even if it is an explosion, she can even create winds to deflect it and protect herself. Really this is no contest, HAvok cannot defeat her.

 

[El Bastardo]

His shot doesent have to be a little beam. It can be a huge explosion.

No it can't. Because no one can beat Storm! I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT.

You know, it's funny... All sebita does is keep repeating the same idea, over and over. Havok can't move and fire at the same time, evidently. He also has to aim, and must only be able to fire an itty bitty beam. But Storm CAN DO ANYTHING STORM WANTS.

Gosh, it must be had to imagine a fight when the person you're rooting for can do ANYTHING, and her enemies can't do a single thing.

I remember some recent Uncanny issues written by Claremont where Storm was able to get pimp-slapped and captured by a bunch of dino-things. But because they're not X-Men, and aren't in these matches, that doesn't matter.

 

[Exploding Boy]

Still she can avoid it, even if it is an explosion, she can even create winds to deflect it and protect herself. Really this is no contest, HAvok cannot defeat her.

You say potatoe i say potato.

 

[El Bastardo]

Still she can avoid it, even if it is an explosion, she can even create winds to deflect it and protect herself. Really this is no contest, HAvok cannot defeat her.

I didn't think wind could deflect bolts of heated plasma. If we're going by that bull, then Havok can deflect bolts of lightning with his plasma. And that makes as much sense as wind deflecting energy, but we'll go with your grand logic.

 

[Valechan]

There are issues where Ororo deflected blasts of energy, if necessary I'll go look them up. And even if he is moving, she still can avoid his blasts, and fine, he can escape her lightning, but, can he escape a flash flood? a flash freeze? I doubt it.

Oh, and the Dinos... do remember that SHE ALLOWED KURT to knock her unconscious for fear of destroying everyone.

 

[Intheknow101]

She once had Magneto beging for air, if he hadn't hurled Colossus at her, she would have succeded (Uncanny 150). A warskrull impersonating Xavier and using his powers through a machine, attempted to mind-control Ororo. He was unable to (Uncanny 277), so, Ororo can withstand Xavier's mind-attacks. .Ç

She was on the ground. Notice they used the word resistance not immune hence why despite that resistance, she was still on the ground in pain unable to act. And what damage done was done. In fact Xavier himself had to help heal her mind afterwards. So no she can't withstand Xavier's attacks. She may resist actual mind control, but the damage on her brain is a different matter.

 

[Exploding Boy]

Ok. Sebita, go by your own logic. In Xtreme Xmen it took her a little bit to make a flash freeze, that little bit and her head is off thanks to Alex's plasma.

 

[Valechan]

No it isn't, because she can avoid his blast, she doesn't have to stand around waiting for the flash freeze to come.

IntheKnow... she was in the ground indeed, and damage was done, but if it was a true fight to the death, with no barriers off, while she fends off his attack she can destroy his body with wind and snow, like in Uncanny 456, when Rachel attempted to do the same and she erupted in a very violent blizzard... which didn't take any time at all to appear.

 

[El Bastardo]

There are issues where Ororo deflected blasts of energy, if necessary I'll go look them up. And even if he is moving, she still can avoid his blasts, and fine, he can escape her lightning, but, can he escape a flash flood? a flash freeze? I doubt it.

Oh, and the Dinos... do remember that SHE ALLOWED KURT to knock her unconscious for fear of destroying everyone.

Because her powers were souped up by a machine. Let's at least point out the entire situation, hm?

So, how fast can Storm fly? Because if Alex unleashes at full power, without his inhibitors, I'm pretty sure he could make her and a good area around her - or, heck, even himself - go boom and get real messy. How fast can she fly? Fast enough to escape a bomb radius?

Oh, and since she has to fly by directing air currents, and Havok's blasts supercharge the air and make it hot - don't you think that might be a tad distracting and possibly even painful?

I know I wouldn't like to be stuck in and around literally blistering and pan-frying heat.

 

[Intheknow101]

Only because people here are biased. There is absolutely no way that HAvok can defeat Ororo. I mean, he has to aim at her, and she can easily avoid anything he throws, no matter how wide his attack is. The only he can beat her is if she's sleeping.

Only because people here are biased. There is absolutely no way that HAvok can defeat Ororo. I mean, he has to aim at her, and she can easily avoid anything he throws, no matter how wide his attack is. The only he can beat her is if she's sleeping.

Hurling Juggernaut into space? I don't think so. Last time she faced Juggernaut in X-Men 70, she had no clue how to handle him charging at her. If simply hurling him away was an option, or something she was capable of she wouldn't have hesitated at that time. Besides, she can call on a hurricane if she wants but even then there's no guarantee that she will win. She might even knock herself out because while she can control the wind, she can't hope to keep track of all the debris in the air.

From the comics: here something manages to get through her wind and knock her out. That defense isn't going to keep out Havok's PLASMA blasts.

I believe Havok can shoot her. As seen here Sauron had the time to pull out a gun and shoot her out of the air. Havok just points and shoots.

 

[Exploding Boy]

No it isn't, because she can avoid his blast, she doesn't have to stand around waiting for the flash freeze to come.

Why in a fight to the death do you think that Alex would just shoot a little beam. WTF?!?!? Think about both people here. You need to consider both parties.