Y'know, Emma has a point.

[Kevin]

emma... YOU GO B****!!

 

[Bastila]

You know what i can even read what they are saying, so could someone just sum up what she said ? lol.

 

[Red]

Emma's been on a roll this week. What she said to both Carol and Tony have been spot on.

What did she say to Carol again?

And yes Emma has a point.

 

[Harlekin]

How you cannot? The images are like... huge. I could transcript it later, if no one else bothers.

 

[Tropico]

I do love Emma, and her point is very good. I gave her kudos in the Civil War thread, and the scene with Ms. Marvel is even better.

Point of order, though: Aren't the writers kinda cheating, in making an issue of this? The real reason the Avengers haven't helped mutants much isn't because Captain America and Iron Man are racist. It's because different people write different books, and the writers of the Avengers have never had much reason to write about mutants. If they did, people would probably complain, because they say there are too many mutant/X-books already.

Now, for fictional purposes, the past is what it is. I'm not against using an existing situation to

a) Expand the drama,
b) Set the X-Men on the stance they should probably have anyway toward the SHRA, and
c) Make Emma look cool. Goodness knows, the gal takes enough flak for her snarkiness, it's nice to see everybody on her side for once.

But it's worth noting that the apparent pattern of racism she's complaining about is really just the result of a "stuff happens" kinda coincidence, a place where comic logic meets the real world and gets a bit derailed...

I was thinking about that, too. I know the separation is because Marvel keeps their different "families" apart but you have to admit that if you take it to the "comic reality" it fits perfectly. I had made some of the arguments Emma made a couple of months back when CW#1 came out, it's cool to see that the writers also had enough insight to tie it together. It was only recently that we saw the New Avengers get mixed up with an X-Men event in the recent Apocalypse fiasco.

People bashing Cyke make me laugh. Put yourselves in his situation. Think of something you care about deeply while being in a situation where you're being opressed. Think of you're frustration at both of the situation and then try, just try, to stay neutral. It takes more balls to hold yourself back than to say "Damn it all!" and enforce your side on the people around you and act upon it. Letting yourself be swayed by emotions is far easier than trying to keep a cool head to avoid further problems.

 

[The Question]

Exactly. Let's say one of the heroes that has registered has gone rogue or the likes thereof. He either needs to be taken down, and as such, at least tracked. The government decides to hire a couple of villains to track the hero down (they've done this before) and they give them the full file (because after all, that's the best way to track a hero), and voila, people that shouldn't ordinarily have that kind of info have it. The government in the MU is laughably easily to break into. It's too much of a danger.

Why does it have ti be villains, though? Why not their agents, or other heroes?

 

[Zeu]

Well, the good thing about politicians is that they´d NEVER give away the name of a secret agent or hero (thus putting him/her and her family and friends in danger) to score a political goal.


Oh, wait......

 

[Marcdachamp]

Well, the good thing about politicians is that they´d NEVER give away the name of a secret agent or hero (thus putting him/her and her family and friends in danger) to score a political goal.


Oh, wait......

Ha ha... awesome.

 

[Harlekin]

Why does it have ti be villains, though? Why not their agents, or other heroes?

What if they haven't got a hero or agent available?

 

[The Question]

They have alot of agents, and there are alot of heroes. I doubt they'd ever be so understaffed that they would be forced to give wanted criminals classified information.

 

[Darthphere]

But they are.

 

[The Question]

Proof of that being? I'm sorry, but I don't see the feds being desperate enough to give any kind of classified information to known criminals.

 

[Darthphere]

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[The Question]

Okay. Recruiting criminals. That's not the same as handing over classified information and then allowing them to use it to harm innocent people. If they have badges, that means they're agents. And I doubt federal agents would be allowed to murder Spider-Man's family in their off hours without consiquences.

 

[Lactophiliac]

Okay. Recruiting criminals. That's not the same as handing over classified information and then allowing them to use it to harm innocent people. If they have badges, that means they're agents. And I doubt federal agents would be allowed to murder Spider-Man's family in their off hours without consiquences.

Yeah because there's no way a criminal's going to do something he's not supposed to do.

 

[Darthphere]

Ummm yeah Q, none of us said that. But to track down someone, they need the classified info to do so.

 

[The Question]

Yeah because there's no way a criminal's going to do something he's not supposed to do.

Yeah. And there's no way the government isn't going to punich them severely for using classified information to put innocent lives at risk for their own personal gain. If they're using criminals as agents, they're probably using safegaurds to insure they don't go rogue, like in the Suicide Squad.

Ummm yeah Q, none of us said that. But to track down someone, they need the classified info to do so.

Still, I dout the government would allow said criminals, after capturing said rogue hero and putting him in jail, to hunt down his family and friends and brutally murder them. Besides, it's very likely that only high ranking officers would get full access to the files. The feild agents would probably just get the known location of whoever they're hunting down, not the names of their friends and family, where they go to work or go to school, and where they like to hang out in their off hours. Also, logically, the feds probably wouldn't send any agents who have a personal vendetta against someone to track down said person. That's just asking for trouble. Let's say Spider-Man suddenly decides to go bad. If the feds are going to send a recruited villain, they'd probably send The Constrictor or somone else who doesn't have a personal history with Spidey.

 

[Darthphere]

Again Q, nobody is saying that they will, but its a very good possibility and has happened before.

 

[The Question]

Logically speaking, I don't think it's that good of a possibility. But, the writers could easily write it out that way.

 

[Darthphere]

What are you arguing again Q? It wouldnt be the first time a villain gets his hands on classified documents and does soemthing terrible with them. Logically speaking, what has happened before is bound to happen again.

 

[Tropico]

What are you arguing again Q? It wouldnt be the first time a villain gets his hands on classified documents and does soemthing terrible with them. Logically speaking, what has happened before is bound to happen again.

If you pay attention you'll see that he brought up the point out of the blue. This is an old argument that was done to death when CW#2 came out. It's also in Question's style to keep arguing pointlessly even though he doesn't have proof of anything and all he can do is speculate. The best weapon is to not give him any fodder and that'll end it.

 

[Darthphere]

If you pay attention you'll see that he brought up the point out of the blue. This is an old argument that was done to death when CW#2 came out. It's also in Question's style to keep arguing pointlessly even though he doesn't have proof of anything and all he can do is speculate. The best weapon is to not give him any fodder and that'll end it.

I guess so.

 

[The Question]

If you pay attention you'll see that he brought up the point out of the blue. This is an old argument that was done to death when CW#2 came out. It's also in Question's style to keep arguing pointlessly even though he doesn't have proof of anything and all he can do is speculate. The best weapon is to not give him any fodder and that'll end it.

I brought it up because Emma seemed to be talking about that sort of thing happening. She did say "this is what happens when people know how to find mutants." I simply was wondering why it is assumed that everyone's IDs will become public knowlege.

 

[Tropico]

I brought it up because Emma seemed to be talking about that sort of thing happening. She did say "this is what happens when people know how to find mutants." I simply was wondering why it is assumed that everyone's IDs will become public knowlege.

When did she say that? It seems to me like that's what you assumed she implied when she showed what happened. Both Genosha and the Mansion are publicly known "nesting grounds" for mutants, it's not the same as the registration. Besides, you're taking the whole thing out of context. They gave those examples because they were trying to illustrate that mutants have gone through tragedies on their own. Neither Tony Stark nor Carol Danvers went to the X-Men to see if they could help them in some fashion, they went there to RECRUIT them for the Pro side. Why did the X-Men refuse? Not because of the ID thing, but rather because they know what it's like to be persecuted while doing the right thing (like Emma said).

I thank you for making me go through CW#3 and New X-Men #28 again. I noticed that in CW#3 Tony immediatley got outraged when Emma refused and proceeded to think of them as being on the opposing side. It shows how "rationally" Mr. Stark is thinking.

 

[The Question]

When did she say that? It seems to me like that's what you assumed she implied when she showed what happened. Both Genosha and the Mansion are publicly known "nesting grounds" for mutants, it's not the same as the registration. Besides, you're taking the whole thing out of context. They gave those examples because they were trying to illustrate that mutants have gone through tragedies on their own. Neither Tony Stark nor Carol Danvers went to the X-Men to see if they could help them in some fashion, they went there to RECRUIT them for the Pro side. Why did the X-Men refuse? Not because of the ID thing, but rather because they know what it's like to be persecuted while doing the right thing (like Emma said).

Okay. Fine. The way she frased it just seemed to suggest that she was talking about that. No big deal, really.