You call yourself gamers?

[Drakon]

I have over the years cultivated the ability to ignore parts of movies that bug me that would prevent me form enjoying an otherwise good movie. If there are only 1 or 2 things it works out fine. Anymore and the movie becomes crap. So if Katie Holmes is all you hate in Batman Begins. You ignore Katie Holmes's scenes (she's in what a 1/4 of the movie?) then you can enjoy the movie as a whole.

Then why can't you do that with Kingdom Hearts or any of the Square Games?

 

[Horrorfan]

Then why can't you do that with Kingdom Hearts or any of the Square Games?

Because everything about them looks crap?

 

[lars573]

Then why can't you do that with Kingdom Hearts or any of the Square Games?

Cause I judge different formats by different gauges. And I'm much less forgiving of s**t I don't like in a game (TV as well that's why AD=crap) as I'm going to spend 2 to 3 times more time with it than a movie.

 

[Speedball]

Because everything about them looks crap?

That's a joke right?
They have some of the most amazing graphics ever.
The final fight with Xemnas where Riku and Sora are deflecting lasers is one of the craziest things i've seen in any game.
Though no game will look like Resident Evil 4.
Seriously calm down man.
I hate sports games, but I'm not all like "SPORTS GAMES SUCK!"

 

[Horrorfan]

That's a joke right?
They have some of the most amazing graphics ever.
The final fight with Xemnas where Riku and Sora are deflecting lasers is one of the craziest things i've seen in any game.
Though no game will look like Resident Evil 4.
Seriously calm down man.
I hate sports games, but I'm not all like "SPORTS GAMES SUCK!"

No, having final fantasy characters (who are all emo , and come from a sucky game series ) was bad enough, but having disney characters, who make nintendo's idols look like sam fisher, totally killed it in my eyes. I will never, ever play that game.

 

[Speedball]

No, having final fantasy characters (who are all emo , and come from a sucky game series ) was bad enough, but having disney characters, who make nintendo's idols look like sam fisher, totally killed it in my eyes. I will never, ever play that game.

You don't know what you're missing then.
Did you have no childhood? Cause everyone likes Disney.

 

[Addendum]

And when you hit puberty, Disney sucks.

The Incredibles was the first Disney movie I've liked since the late 80's - early 90's. The second was Cars.

 

[Horrorfan]

You don't know what you're missing then.
Did you have no childhood? Cause everyone likes Disney.

Not knocking disney. used to love them as a kid. But I grew up, and certainly no longer have interest enough to buy a game with them in. Thats one step above buying tellytubbies: the game or the hello kitty game.

 

[Speedball]

Not knocking disney. used to love them as a kid. But I grew up, and certainly no longer have interest enough to buy a game with them in. Thats one step above buying tellytubbies: the game or the hello kitty game.

Whatever, you like what you like.
Let me guess... Horror games?!
Resident Evil 4 is possibly the best game of this generation. Halo 2 is a far distant 3rd, with Shadow of the Colossus in second.

 

[블라스]

I love classic Disney with all my heart, but I HATED how they tried to make everything very PC, particularly during the 90's

 

[jaydawg]

But Aladdin and Lion King are the best things they've ever created and Hercules and Tarzan were quite good too. How were they PC?

 

[Speedball]

But Aladdin and Lion King are the best things they've ever created and Hercules and Tarzan were quite good too. How were they PC?

Whats PC?
Tarzan and Emperor's New Groove are two of my favorites.

 

[블라스]

But Aladdin and Lion King are the best things they've ever created and Hercules and Tarzan were quite good too. How were they PC?

I actually think I'm both right and wrong, because sometimes they are racist and PC at the same time.

Say, Hercules for example...

They just NEED to have the black chicks with a GREAT singing voice, because everyone knows EVERY black person has a beautiful singing voice.

Oh, and Hades saying stuff like "Oy", "Schmuck" and more Yiddish stuff like that, so yeah....THE JEW IS EVIL!

 

[Speedball]

I actually think I'm both right and wrong, because sometimes they are racist and PC at the same time.

Say, Hercules for example...

They just NEED to have the black chicks with a GREAT singing voice, because everyone knows EVERY black person has a beautiful singing voice.

Oh, and Hades saying stuff like "Oy", "Schmuck" and more Yiddish stuff like that, so yeah....THE JEW IS EVIL!

Hercules always bugged me because the legend is all wrong.
Hades is a good guy, It's Hera who is the bad girl.
They said she was the mother, when it was actually Alcmene. Her husband died in war, and Zeus posed as him to have some fun.
But I guess that's too adult for Disney, so they proceed to destroy the legend by completely erasing the 12 labors and his wife and children's murder by his hands.

 

[블라스]

Hercules always bugged me because the legend is all wrong.
Hades is a good guy, It's Hera who is the bad girl.
They said she was the mother, when it was actually Alcmene. Her husband died in war, and Zeus posed as him to have some fun.
But I guess that's too adult for Disney, so they proceed to destroy the legend by completely erasing the 12 labors and his wife and children's murder by his hands.

Well, you can always expect some kind of changes when it comes to stuff like this, I mean, the original stories weren't exactly kid material....but it's the stuff that I mentioned what bothers me a bit.

Tarzan was EXCELLENT though

 

[lars573]

Hercules always bugged me because the legend is all wrong.
Hades is a good guy, It's Hera who is the bad girl.
They said she was the mother, when it was actually Alcmene. Her husband died in war, and Zeus posed as him to have some fun.
But I guess that's too adult for Disney, so they proceed to destroy the legend by completely erasing the 12 labors and his wife and children's murder by his hands.

That's one version. Another is that Herc being a "son of Zeus" is more of a spiritual thing than an "I f***ed you mom boy" thing. That his father actually was a mortal, the king of Corinth, and he and his brother were twins. And that his dad called him "a son of Zeus" when he killed two serpents (with his bare hands no less) that tried to eat him and his brother while they were in their crib.

 

[Sabretooth]

Hades was the best part of Hercules IMO. You rarely see villains like him in Disney films. Cynicial,Sarcastic,somewhat quirky,y'know. He had depth. More interesting than Hercules was in that movie. And I mean,James Woods voiced him!

Nightmare Before Christmas is another good one that makes it into Kingdom Hearts II. Hell,It's been in all of the games...

 

[Speedball]

I like the one where he is the son of Zeus better.
I've never heard of your version.
Is it Roman or Greek in origin?

 

[lars573]

I like the one where he is the son of Zeus better.
I've never heard of your version.
Is it Roman or Greek in origin?

It could be a modern intrepretation of some ancient source. The version I spoke of is from "The Greek Myths" by Olivia E. Coolidge. Chapter VII "Great Heroes". Which has 2 parts Theseus and Heracles.

 

[Speedball]

It could be a modern intrepretation of some ancient source. The version I spoke of is from "The Greek Myths" by Olivia E. Coolidge. Chapter VII "Great Heroes". Which has 2 parts Theseus and Heracles.

It's a modern interpretaion, at least thats what the Amazon description calls it.

 

[Phaser]

Phaser, the phrase may be overused, but thats because theres a lot of overrated stuff out there.

No, that phrase is overused because people on the internet have a bad habit of calling practically anything and everything "overrated" just for the heck of it without any real basis or justification. It's very much become a cliché of sorts - start a discussion about the appreciation of anything good and it won't be long before some half-wit barges in and calls it "overrated".

 

[Horrorfan]

No, that phrase is overused because people on the internet have a bad habit of calling practically anything and everything "overrated" just for the heck of it without any real basis or justification. It's very much become a cliché of sorts - start a discussion about the appreciation of anything good and it won't be long before some half-wit barges in and calls it "overrated".

...because they think it's overrated. Whats your confusion about that?


for the record, BB begins :-


it drags terrifically, and has no sense of fun...its up its own ass. I have no problem with dark movies, but this wasn't dark, it just came off as artificial and emotionless

the acting ranges from good ( michael caine, Cillian Murphy) to decent (Bale, Oldman etc) to bad (katie homes).

scarecrow is underused

Gotham seemed like a generic industrial town that could have been anywhere

Basically, the whole movie was, for me, well made but dull and reserved, with uninteresting characters, choppy action scenes and very few moments I can remember with clarity (the crux of a good movie, for me, is moments I remeber well because they imprinted themsleves on my mind).

Im not a huge fan of the batman comic books though. IMO the only good movie (rocket penguines aside) in the series was Batman returns.

 

[블라스]

...because they think it's overrated. Whats your confusion about that?
for the record, BB begins :-
it drags terrifically, and has no sense of fun...its up its own ass. I have no problem with dark movies, but this wasn't dark, it just came off as artificial and emotionless
the acting ranges from good ( michael caine, Cillian Murphy) to decent (Bale, Oldman etc) to bad (katie homes).
scarecrow is underused
Gotham seemed like a generic industrial town that could have been anywhere
Basically, the whole movie was, for me, well made but dull and reserved, with uninteresting characters, choppy action scenes and very few moments I can remember with clarity (the crux of a good movie, for me, is moments I remeber well because they imprinted themsleves on my mind).
Im not a huge fan of the batman comic books though. IMO the only good movie (rocket penguines aside) in the series was Batman returns.

I don't there there could be a bigger disagreement in the universe than the one I have with you right now

 

[Spidey-Bat]

...because they think it's overrated. Whats your confusion about that?
for the record, BB begins :-
it drags terrifically, and has no sense of fun...its up its own ass. I have no problem with dark movies, but this wasn't dark, it just came off as artificial and emotionless
the acting ranges from good ( michael caine, Cillian Murphy) to decent (Bale, Oldman etc) to bad (katie homes).
scarecrow is underused
Gotham seemed like a generic industrial town that could have been anywhere
Basically, the whole movie was, for me, well made but dull and reserved, with uninteresting characters, choppy action scenes and very few moments I can remember with clarity (the crux of a good movie, for me, is moments I remeber well because they imprinted themsleves on my mind).
Im not a huge fan of the batman comic books though. IMO the only good movie (rocket penguines aside) in the series was Batman returns.

I pity you. You don't let yourself like anything that is both good and popular and always have to speak out against it.

The movie doesn't drag, there are some slow points but it has a good pace overall. Batman isn't supposed to be fun, hasn't been since the 60's. The acting is good, Holmes is the worst but what's new? Scarecrow is underused b/c he's the most pathetic A-villain. Anything else he could have done would be utterly campy. Gotham is supposed to be a real city, so it should look like one. Other interpretations give it flavor; Burton made it look like a slum and Schumacher made it this city with 100ft statues everywhere. They were good, but not very realistic. If you liked Batman more, you'd have recognized the memorable moments.

 

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

I pity you. You don't let yourself like anything that is both good and popular and always have to speak out against it.

The movie doesn't drag, there are some slow points but it has a good pace overall. Batman isn't supposed to be fun, hasn't been since the 60's. The acting is good, Holmes is the worst but what's new? Scarecrow is underused b/c he's the most pathetic A-villain. Anything else he could have done would be utterly campy. Gotham is supposed to be a real city, so it should look like one. Other interpretations give it flavor; Burton made it look like a slum and Schumacher made it this city with 100ft statues everywhere. They were good, but not very realistic. If you liked Batman more, you'd have recognized the memorable moments.

I don't even really like the Batman comics, but that film is by far the best comic adaptation and IMO, more enjoyable than the comic. Waits for flamers...