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[runawayboulder]

So which side do you come down on? Are you with Meltzer or with AJ?"

That guy is a massive tool.

 

[The End]

Quite frankly if a woman wrestler doesn't care about getting the top spot, she has no business being on the roster in the first place.

One of the problems with the 'divas' is that many of them are just wannabe-celebrities, they want to the glitz and glam and photography sessions but don't care about wrestling or ring psychology or being the best.

AJ clearly cares, and that's why fans love her, and its why she's the best thing going in the 'divas' roster.

Meltzer is an idiot and the rags are drama factories. People shouldn't even pay attention to what they say.

 

[cherokeesam]

Saw this on Scott Keith's rspwfaq.net, posted by blog member "cabspaintedyellow" and thought it might be good for discussion here:


"So apparently, people online got up in arms when Dave Meltzer stopped just short of calling AJ a mark for getting the date of her Divas title win tattooed on her neck, since she was getting hyped up about winning the same title that "Debra McMichael and Sable won".

After people came to AJ's defense on the WO/F4W message boards about seeing nothing wrong with a woman wanting to mark the date of a dream she had since childhood, Meltzer responded:

"On the A.J. thing, this is going to break some hearts, but people who run wrestling companies laugh at wrestlers who are "belt marks" for undercard belts, especially when it comes to a pass-around belt vs. a main event belt that is given with the idea the person with it is anchoring business.

Promoters throughout time feel that there are the guys who want to be paid and the guys who want a belt and they can pay whatever they want to them as long as they give them a make-believe pass-around belt.

In both TNA and WWE there is that designation, given a few times a year from both sides in conversations that reference, which goes back longer than I've been following wrestling, has been around. One group is considered pros and the other group is considered fans who are on the roster and the belief is you can treat them very differently. There is an old saying about the latter group that you throw them a fish and watch them jump.

For ones own career, even if they consider it an accomplishment, if you want respect, you don't sell it publicly behind the scenes, only in fake media interviews and on TV.

Again, the world title (or the main event belt in any territory) is viewed entirely differently (although people who don't like Bret Hart would knock him over the same subject, but those people probably were going to find something to do that about either way, given I never heard anyone except Bockwinkel in fun, knock Harley Race over the same thing). I know of stories where someone in the industry will bring up to Lawler about all the belts he's won over his career and he immediately gives then a glare like they have no understanding of the business."

But the drama continued later, with Meltzer further clarifying his position after people wondered why it's such a bad thing to show passion about achieving milestones in your chosen profession.

"I know this is all silly and stuff, but when people bring up guys who win the Olympics or "If Ronda Rousey did it" winning the UFC title like it's the same thing is just weird.

When Brock Lesnar was asked, what was the biggest thing to him, winning the NCAA title, the WWE title or the UFC title, his response was, "One of those wasn't real."

If a child who wanted to be a doctor growing up ending up getting a minor part in a movie, when he had previously had bigger parts, where he played a doctor who won a fictitious scripted Nobel Prize for Medicine, and then announced he was getting a tattoo to commemorate his getting a Nobel Prize, the highest honor possible and greatest accomplishment in his life, what do you think the real world would think?

Why they'd say, of course that's great, because there was nothing higher he could do in his career then win a Nobel Prize in a small movie role that somebody scripted for him.

And the people who bring up he's had bigger parts and that it was scripted would be decried because they are the ones out of touch with the real world."


So which side do you come down on? Are you with Meltzer or with AJ?"

....That made my brain hurt.
This guy needs to add the word "concise" to his dictionary, and study it. Every night. I haven't read a more rambling, disconnected, unpunctuated and pointless wandering pile of crap since 8th grade English class. He could have established the exact same point by simply writing "Rasslin' is fake, AJ. lol"

 

[The End]

Hmm, it looks like half of CM Punk's and Daniel Bryan's twitter followers are fake.

http://www.twitteraudit.com/CMPunk

http://www.twitteraudit.com/WWEDanielBryan

I wonder if WWE are paying for fake followers.

 

[chamber-music]

Enzo Amore is pretty good on the mic. I could see his *****ebag Jersey act and "you can't teach that, BADA BOOM REALEST GUY IN A ROOM" catchphrases going down well. The guy is a heat magnet. WWE could put him in a feud with Zack Ryder for who is the biggest Jersey Shore knock off.

 

[sweetre15]

....That made my brain hurt.
This guy needs to add the word "concise" to his dictionary, and study it. Every night. I haven't read a more rambling, disconnected, unpunctuated and pointless wandering pile of crap since 8th grade English class. He could have established the exact same point by simply writing "Rasslin' is fake, AJ. lol"

Ok, first of Dave Meltzer needs to f-ch himself with an iron stick.

1. If a company undermines people who embrace belts like the Divas, IC, or US belt then that's messed up because all the title belts should be given the impression that they are valuable.

2. Real or not, Fans like to pretend its real and don't want tradition discarded

3. Is Dave Meltzer turning into Vince Russo these days?

4. Is he trying to say AJ Lee shouldn't enjoy and be happy the top and ONLY belt in her gender class?

 

[sweetre15]

I found a rather interesting article on TV Tropes that was pretty much Booking 101 for every aspect including Business Ethics....Check it out: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SoYouWantTo/BeABooker

How many of these "rules" do you think wrestling companies currently follow?

 

[OnTheAir]

I imagine AJ talking about her tattoo was the reason JBL and Lawler were making fun of her.

That's the first thing I thought of as well after reading Meltzer's comments.

 

[Wheels]

That's the first thing I thought of as well after reading Meltzer's comments.

I respect Jerry and JBL's contributions but they can be real *****ebags at times. JR would never be so unprofessional like that. Of course burying things on commentary is common practice in WWE now. I don't like Kevin Kelly but he always tries his best to put talent and their characters and angles over. Heck, even Alex Riley does a good job at putting stuff over.

 

[Lobo]

I actually really like Riley on conmentary. Wish he would wrestle once in awhile, though.

As for AJ she no sold the King and JBL's idiocy. As for Meltzer? What a tool. Fake or not it's still the date that AJ accomplished her childhood dream. I almost wish AJ would have her own custom title. And the world title and then the others, well the Divas title IS the world championship for the women.

 

[Donnie Darko]

How is AJ being a "mark" for the women's title worse than guys like Triple-H and Hogan spending the better parts of their careers using their pull to keep the belt and protect their image?

 

[cherokeesam]

How is AJ being a "mark" for the women's title worse than guys like Triple-H and Hogan spending the better parts of their careers using their pull to keep the belt and protect their image?

Because she's a woman, of course. When a woman does it, it's silly.

 

[sweetre15]

Because she's a woman, of course. When a woman does it, it's silly.

That's more than likely Dave Meltzer's way of thinking.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I am surprised that Meltzer hasn't taken the Wade Keller approach of "Triple H is using the Bryan-Orton angle to stroke his ego and to get the WWE Title back by burying the entire roster."

 

[Van Petrol]

Hmm, it looks like half of CM Punk's and Daniel Bryan's twitter followers are fake.

http://www.twitteraudit.com/CMPunk

http://www.twitteraudit.com/WWEDanielBryan

I wonder if WWE are paying for fake followers.

I can't understand this. I would of thought those two especially would have no need for fake followers.

 

[Superark]

Sucks about JR basically being let go by WWE. He deserved better.

It's just too bad TNA is in the budget tightening mode they are in at the moment. JR has had talks with TNA in the past and he would be great for them not only on commentating but backstage in a talent relations and management role.

I'll be curious to see what happens with JR and if TNA offers him a deal since reportedly the bloom is off of the Hogan/Bischoff rose. With those twp potentially gone, TNA would free up a huge cost

 

[Superark]

credit www.pwinsider.com

IT DOESN'T PASS THE SNIFF TEST, JIM ROSS DESERVED BETTER FROM WWE
by Dave Scherer @ 10:16 AM on 9/12/2013

Yesterday afternoon, I was spending time with my wife to celebrate her birthday when the news broke that Jim Ross "retired" from WWE. My first thought was that I hoped he was in good health and that wasn't the reason for his sudden departure. After finding out that his health was fine, I started getting angry. really angry.


Let's be clear hear, Ross' recent actions were not those of a man who was ready to move on from WWE. He has been involved heavily in developing new talent in Florida with NXT. He continually worked as a goodwill conduit for WWE on his own personal website. He was in attendance at SummerSlam less than a month ago, representing and working with the promotion. He was not a man on his way out. He was still an integral part of the company.


And therein lies my problem with this ridiculous situation.


As we chronicled here on the site when it happened, Ross was the host of a panel discussion for the new WWE video game on SummerSlam weekend. For the first half of the presentation, Ross was direct, acerbic and brutally honest, probably too much so for WWE's liking. He made some comments that I knew right away would cause him some problems. The one that stood out to me was when he, in so many words, made it clear that he could and would gladly be doing commentary on the WWE shows but that is not his call. What he didn't say was that the call was that of Vince McMahon. On the one hand, I can understand how WWE management, and Vince himself, would take that comment as a slight. But on the other, this is the company that encourages people to stand up and be noticed, right? They are the people who say grab the brass ring and make them notice you, aren't they? They are the folks who say that you shouldn't accept a spot that you feel is beneath your talent level and you should fight to rise higher. They feel you shouldn't accept just having a spot on the card.


So, is it really a bad thing that arguably the greatest announcer of all time is not happy being absent from Raw every week? If I am Vince McMahon, even if I don't want JR in the booth I respect and appreciate that he still feels he should be there. I wouldn't want it any other way. I don't want a passive JR. I want the guy who will do everything he can to show me I am wrong for pulling him from television.


If that had been the extent of what happened SummerSlam weekend, perhaps Ross would still be with WWE. Unfortunately for him, Ric Flair made sure that something that may have only been a minor annoyance turned into a full-fledged incident.


For those of you that missed it, an inebriated Flair took over the panel discussion in a way that WWE did not appreciate. He talked about a number of subjects that the WWE didn't want addressed at a company function (and probably anywhere). Ross tried repeatedly to get Flair in line but it was just not going to happen that night. Flair wouldn't stop hijacking the presentation. While people from the videogame actually enjoyed Flair's act, WWE officials most certainly did not. They have been fighting for years to get mainstream acceptance for their product, to appeal to advertisers that want to reach children, and much of the content at that presentation was diametrically opposed to what WWE wants to present itself as.


Almost immediately, word filtered out that there was serious heat on both Flair and Ross. WWE addressed Flair immediately, pulling him from the interview process immediately after the panel portion of the presentation ended. We have heard that WWE officials have made it clear to Flair that if he wants to have a future with the company, he would address his personal issues immediately. From what we have heard, he is doing so now.


Until yesterday, it appeared publicly that heat on Ross had dissipated. In all honestly, it should have. After all, he is not Ric Flair's keeper. He didn't force Flair to drink before the presentation. And short of duct taping Flair's mouth shut and handcuffing him to his chair, there wasn't much he could do to stop him.


But unfortunately his inability to stop Flair's meltdown factored significantly into Ross' sudden "retirement".



Let me be clear here in saying that Vince McMahon has the right to run his company as he sees fit. I will never dispute that. Given the fact that Ross went along with the sudden "retirement" story, which once again shows his loyalty to the company, I would think (or at least hope) that he was given a large golden parachute to be a good solider in how all of this went down.


But that doesn't make it any less reprehensible to me.


Jim Ross is a legend. Jim Ross has done as much for WWE over the years as anyone else not named Vince McMahon, including guys that have taken bumps. If Vince decided that Ross needed to "retire", there was no reason it had to be done via a WWE.com story on a Wednesday afternoon.


Since Ross has apparently gone along with the story, there was no reason to do it in the manner it happened. Instead, McMahon could have treated Ross in a classy, respectful manor on his television programming by announcing the retirement on Raw on Monday with the ceremony honoring the legend to follow the next week. It would have been the proper way to handle the departure of someone of Ross' stature (and would be a small step toward making up for all of the times that McMahon embarrassed Ross for no good reason, other than Vince found it funny, on WWE TV programming).


Instead, they released the story on their website like it was no more important than a WWE on-sale ticket date or a worked story on why HHH does what he does as the boss. WWE handled the situation like a teacher in the summer time, no class. Their verbiage of "we thank him for his many years of service and wish him well" is just another way of "wishing him well in his future endeavors".


It added insult to injury to see Vince McMahon, Triple H and Stephanie Mac go on Twitter and thank him. It couldn't have felt any less genuine to me. Words are cheap. Actions are what really matter.


It is ironic that a main reason for this "retirement" coming to fruition is that WWE is striving to be family friendly. I guess what they mean by that is to be friendly to other people's families because they sure as hell were not to one of their own.


Just one man's opinion.

 

[strikezone89]

Just watched another trailer for HHH DVD coming out in two weeks. I'm really looking forward to that!

 

[Fans of Reilly]

What I' about AJ personally, I' think due to her geting Good Booking and good Writeing Compared With the other divas that get nearly nothing people exaggerate how good is she

she is good but not as good as most People on the internet think

 

[Van Petrol]

Meltzer, for the most part, is talking a load of twaddle. While winning a 'professional wrestling-sports entertainment' title may not seem as big an accomplishment as winning a title in a professional sport. It's still a big deal when you consider, that a comapny is putting faith and stock in you by holding and carrying one of their trophies. As has been said, AJ has achieved the highest accolade she can in her field and she has every right to feel happy and proud of it, especially when you consider how much it means to her and she has been chasing that dream for a long time.

But yeah, unfortunately there are some, maybe many, who share this same view as Meltzer. I'll never forget after watching Punk's DVD when he mentioned how much it meant to him to finally win the WWE title, and that segment was quickly followed by a clip of Haitch saying something along the lines of, "Well you don't really win any of these titles, it's more a case of us giving them to you because we believe in you helping take the company forward and feel it's good for business". Typically Haitch, raining on someone else's parade.

 

[E-Man]

How is AJ being a "mark" for the women's title worse than guys like Triple-H and Hogan spending the better parts of their careers using their pull to keep the belt and protect their image?

Good point. At least she isn't politicking to keep the title the way those guys were.

 

[chamber-music]

I think good on AJ. Atleast some divas actually care about being women's champion rather than a reality tv star.

 

[Donnie Darko]

Just think, it wasn't long ago that the higher honor WWE bestowed upon its female talent was a Playboy cover.

 

[Slushy]

I have to give it to Helmsley. Normally, people would cheer him regardless out of respect and loyalty, but he's gotten fans to actually boo him again. I'm loving him as Vince's replacement as the evil authority figure even if it does lead up to him becoming the 14 time world champion.

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

Cesaro is billed at 232. If the Cruiserweight title were still around, he'd be a 2 lb cut away from being able to compete for it.