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[TheNextNolan22]

All of those answers were pretty good for what to bring back.

I'd go crazy if they ever brought back the Winged Eagle title, but another part of me wants to keep the current title because I feel like if they keep the current title for a long time, then the prestige is gonna build for it and the current iteration gets more popular.

Agreed. I'm actually getting used to the new belt design.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Yep. I even told myself when they first introduced the new title that I knew I would have to warm up to it and actually the new title design is actually well-liked by fans.

I think everyone just had to warm up to it. Sure they could have done more with it, like make it more symmetrical in the middle, but I admit it's actually a pretty good looking title that I can see being a highly prestigious belt with time.

 

[Donnie Darko]

Hell yeah

 

[Dr. Evil]

[YT]H8vaY6--1CQ[/YT]

 

[sweetre15]

From highest to lowest, rank the level of importance that you guys put on these things:

Video Packages

Psychology of the Match

Promos

Production Values

Commentary

I've wanted to discuss this for awhile because it seems that most wrestling detractors dont realize is that pro wrestling is a performance art at it's core. This is the reason people always ask: "Dude why do you watch this, you know it's fake right?" and the reason hardcore MMA snobs ridicule pro wrestling. Simply put they dont hold it to the standard of being a performance art with it's own set of rules.

As for why I brought up the things I did in the post's core premise, it's because those are the main elements that keep viewers enthralled in pro wrestling and makes it a storytelling art form as opposed to just being pure stunt shows.

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

Great match between Ziggy/Del Rio. I wouldn't mind a renewed rivalry between the 2, Ziggy needs to go over though.

Was that heat on Sandow legit or was it dubbed in?

 

[sweetre15]

I'm convinced that the WWE is ran by middle schoolers trapped in Adult bodies:

Dolph Ziggler reportedly had some heat on him for wearing a Zack Ryder t-shirt underneath his Islanders hockey jersey on Monday’s RAW in the Hamptons Hardcore match against Damien Sandow.

Ziggler said in an interview this week that he wore it because they were in Ryder’s home market but word is that there’s more to the story than that. Not only was Ziggler wearing a Ryder t-shirt not planned but it was looked down on backstage as a “silent protest.” One observer commented, “as if he hasn’t been in the dog house enough as of late.”

WWE, ARE YOU F-CKING SERIOUS!?!? This is BEYOND petty because it shows they are looking for copout reasons to punish the guy.

All I can do is this right now:

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Man, f**k WWE if they plan on embarrasing Ziggler more.

 

[Wheels]

Vince really is a piece of **** dictator who punishes people for supporting those he doesn't like.

 

[sweetre15]

Vince really is a piece of **** dictator who punishes people for supporting those he doesn't like.

Including the fans apparently. It really makes me sick How Vince micromanages and bullies backstage then goes on to slap the audience in the face constantly.

 

[Van Petrol]

At the moment, it sounds as though the E are leaning towards the Orton/Cena swapping titles finish at TLC to play this thing out even longer. Of course this could change, but at the moment it sounds like we're in for yet another screwy finsih.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

... And they're trying to hard to make us feel like it won't be that way.

 

[Wheels]

Trips says he wants an undisputed champion, says two titles is unnecessary with the death of the brand extension.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdQ36R1X_tY

 

[Van Petrol]

From what I've been told, the eventual conclusion will result in a unification, but that this will be the first mile of a long road. Things could change, and/or they could speed things up, but at the moment it seems as though we'll be getting a title swap with the angle drawn out even longer.

 

[Van Petrol]

Trips says he wants an undisputed champion, says two titles is unnecessary with the death of the brand extension.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdQ36R1X_tY

Lol, he's pretty much hitting all the points that most of us have put forward in justifying unifying the titles.

I see he threw a dig in there at the IWC, and I also get a giggle out of how he tries to emphasise himself among the greats that have held the WWE Championship.

 

[Wheels]

From what I've been told, the eventual conclusion will result in a unification, but that this will be the first mile of a long road. Things could change, and/or they could speed things up, but at the moment it seems as though we'll be getting a title swap with the angle drawn out even longer.

Yeah, but at least that video eliminates the talk of one guy just being a double champion for awhile.

 

[Van Petrol]

Yeah, but at least that video eliminates the talk of one guy just being a double champion for awhile.

Absolutely. Make no mistake, unifying the titles so that there will be only one sole undisputed champion is the objective and they have been planning this for a while (this has been stressed to me). It may take a while until we reach the conclusion, due to storyline purposes and drawing out the angle, but when it's all said and done there is only going to be one major champion going forward.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The latest heat on Ziggler sounds sillier than usual, I mean this was the same episode of Raw that CM Punk name dropped Colt Cabana.

Hehe, that's probably one of the reasons there was heat on Ryback for using it.

So there should be! I do agree with JR though, a finish should not be used by other wrestlers in the same company.

- Bill Goldberg was at the C4 Comic Con in Winnipeg a few weeks back and was asked about appearing at WWE's WrestleMania XXX. He said Triple H has called him and they have talked but there's no deal in place.

Goldberg said he is open to coming back and would like his son to see him wrestle once but he would only do it for the right price. He said he would never call WWE and ask to come back, and that the ball is in their court and they know what they have to do to get him to return. A WWE source says Goldberg's financial demands were very significant.

Goldberg added that WWE did try to push him on the “think of the pop you’ll get” idea but he said from his point of view, they are barking up the wrong tree when it comes to negotiating tactics.

I guess he's honest at least, even if this pretty much equates to Money > Son.

The original WWE etched version debuted in early 2003 just before WM19, and lasted, I believe, until around mid-2005. Since then there have been numerous other belts, that have been casts rather than etched versions, as the 3D etching process this belt used takes far longer than the normal 2D etching that most belts have and use.

However, rather than casting the original each time for each new belt, they decided to instead cast the previous belt each time. So with each subsequent belt debuting, each of them was cast of the previous belt that came before it, meaning we have ended up with a cast, of a cast, of a cast, of a cast, etc with each subsequent new belt. And with that, the detail of the etching has been severely degraded and deteriorated, resulting in the currentbelt having a almost melted look.

The belt that ran through the end of WCW, the Invasion angle, and that was given to Haitch in September 2002 until the WWE version debuted in early 2003 was a cast of the original Big Gold that Flair introduced in 85, that was all gold plated, rather than dual-plated like the original.

You're a fountain of information on this stuff man. I'm kinda surprised Triple H didn't keep the Flair version for his entire run with it. I notice the casting format and subsequent degradation of the belt began after he lost it to Batista and never held it again lol.

[/quote]Seriously, those three could be the main players in the ME picture in the future. You'd have Reigns as the big and powerful type the company love, Ambrose as the top heel (which I think he's destined to be), and Rollins as the Punk/Bryan-type smark/indy darling. It's as if you've got all the different sides and aspects all mixed in there.[/QUOTE]

Without a doubt, it's the reason The Shield has worked so well to begin with, 3 very different talents that all bring unique qualities to the team. There's no reason this shouldn't transfer into oferring the main event scene 3 very different talents to spruce it up.

One of the best ever!

 

[Wheels]

Lol, he's pretty much hitting all the points that most of us have put forward in justifying unifying the titles.

I see he threw a dig in there at the IWC, and I also get a giggle out of how he tries to emphasise himself among the greats that have held the WWE Championship.

Yeah, that internet geek comment made me chuckle. Triple H is an interesting figure within the IWC in recent times. He does things that most hate, but he also does things that we love.

 

[Donnie Darko]

From highest to lowest, rank the level of importance that you guys put on these things:

Video Packages

Psychology of the Match

Promos

Production Values

Commentary

I've wanted to discuss this for awhile because it seems that most wrestling detractors dont realize is that pro wrestling is a performance art at it's core. This is the reason people always ask: "Dude why do you watch this, you know it's fake right?" and the reason hardcore MMA snobs ridicule pro wrestling. Simply put they dont hold it to the standard of being a performance art with it's own set of rules.

As for why I brought up the things I did in the post's core premise, it's because those are the main elements that keep viewers enthralled in pro wrestling and makes it a storytelling art form as opposed to just being pure stunt shows.

Whenever someone hits me with the "fake" argument, I just start rattling off all of the things they might like that are also "fake".

It's like "oh, you like Die Hard, right? You know that's fake. Like, Bruce Willis doesn't actually kill anyone in that." Of course they day it's not the same thing because in movies they aren't "acting like it's real."

Well, unless the actors look at the camera during the movie and tell you that it's a work of fiction, it's the exact same thing. Actually, it's pretty much the same thing as live theater, with the ONLY exception being that the performers don't come out and now at the end.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Caught up on a few matches today.

The 5 on 5 match from Survivor Series was good stuff, all out action and Reigns did what he needed to do, he capitalized on the opportunity given to him by hitting his mark.

Punk & Bryan vs Harper & Rowan was a great oldschool tag match that certainly was given a lot of time. It built up well with both Harper and Rowan really getting over as monsters, something I feel Rowan had struggled to do up until this match. The finishing sequence was great and I thought both Punk and Bryan played the face roles perfectly in the balance of how much they took and the type of offense they threw at the monsters.

Ziggler vs Del Rio was an excellent match, better than a lot of PPV main events this year. They have great chemistry and their styles just mesh in that rare way that you can't plan for.

Zayn vs Neville was the perfect example of how to work a spotty match. The execution was crisp on all of the exchanges and they didn't drag it out with the type of silly kick-outs the match would have likely had on the indies.

 

[NDX]

I! *slam* AM! *slam* RICH! *slam*

I'm starting to like EC3.

 

[NDX]

I like JR's unfiltered blog, to me this was the most important point he made;

Loved Reigns spear of Punk. Amazing impact and a "moment." Hopefully the other talents will stop using the spear going forward.

I really hope so. With all the moves that have been embargoed to certain wrestlers, the Spear needs to be given to Reigns and Reigns alone. He's shown that he's got the best impact and form when delivering it that no one else compares. You can't believe other wrestlers attempt at the Spear because of how amazingly Reigns hits it. And the best part from Reigns, he's got enough agility and strength that he can pop off a Spear from a full sprint or while standing still and still make the impact look the same. Which is Brutal.

Only other person who could use the Spear at this point and make it look good is Big Show because of his sheer size alone.

 

[sweetre15]

Whenever someone hits me with the "fake" argument, I just start rattling off all of the things they might like that are also "fake".

It's like "oh, you like Die Hard, right? You know that's fake. Like, Bruce Willis doesn't actually kill anyone in that." Of course they day it's not the same thing because in movies they aren't "acting like it's real."

Well, unless the actors look at the camera during the movie and tell you that it's a work of fiction, it's the exact same thing. Actually, it's pretty much the same thing as live theater, with the ONLY exception being that the performers don't come out and now at the end.

Oh indeed but most of them will try to bring up how "homoerotic" it is after you tell them that because then they'll complain that it's half naked guys pretending to fight or whatever. As if legitimate full contact sports can't be seen as "gay" if overanalyzed enough.

Either way, people should realize that it's a performance art and not something designed to deceive......Anymore lmao

 

[sweetre15]

But outside of the 5 things that I pointed out, what really makes Pro Wrestling a unique performance art is how much improv is IDEAL. In Hollywood and Theatre, there's a lot of emphasis on the need for Acting classes and/or being theatrically trained. Along with following screenplays down to the letter and basing your performance solely on the material given to you as well as heavily choreographed and rehearsed fight scenes. Due to Wrestling's live and hardly rehearsed nature, a lot of the best characters are the improvised ones that are just the person with the volume turned up along with it being up to the performer what the nuances and layers to their characters are that really makes them stand out.

Along with the fact that being completely homegrown sometimes hurts said performers sense of psychology, ring awareness, and storytelling as well as pure instinct because they are used to being told what to do in a art form that's driven on improv.

Unlike movies, wrestlers usually are better off calling their own matches with only a few spots being planned.

It's a shame that these things get overlooked by detractors and hardcore MMA snobs.