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[Wheels]

Whenever someone hits me with the "fake" argument, I just start rattling off all of the things they might like that are also "fake".

It's like "oh, you like Die Hard, right? You know that's fake. Like, Bruce Willis doesn't actually kill anyone in that." Of course they day it's not the same thing because in movies they aren't "acting like it's real."

Well, unless the actors look at the camera during the movie and tell you that it's a work of fiction, it's the exact same thing. Actually, it's pretty much the same thing as live theater, with the ONLY exception being that the performers don't come out and now at the end.

That "in movies they don't act like it's real" is the stupidest argument in the history of arguments .Movies don't often break from the reality of the film. Actors don't constantly say "this is fake" during a performance.

 

[Specter313]

Oh indeed but most of them will try to bring up how "homoerotic" it is after you tell them that because then they'll complain that it's half naked guys pretending to fight or whatever. As if legitimate full contact sports can't be seen as "gay" if overanalyzed enough.

Either way, people should realize that it's a performance art and not something designed to deceive......Anymore lmao

Hell, you could almost call amateur wrestling more "homoerotic" or "gay" with some of the holds and moves and such that have a whole heck of a lot more body contact and such. That whole argument never holds up, IMO.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Trust me, if wrestling was really homoerotic, there would be a lot more gay guys watching it.

Although with Vince McMahon's obsession with body types, it's hard to argue against it either.

 

[Specter313]

Although with Vince McMahon's obsession with body types, it's hard to argue against it either.

 

[Donnie Darko]

I feel like wrestling is having a bit of a renaissance among mma fans. After mma really blew up around 2005, a lot of people (myself included), mostly abandoned wrestling in favor of mma.

However, I've noticed that over the last year or so, some of us have been a lot more into wrestling again (while still being huge mma fans). A lot of this is thanks to Lesnar coming back, but more so it rests on the shoulders of CM Punk and Daniel Bryan (seriously, no BS). Maybe it's just the people I know, but I have noticed it a decent bit.

However, there are still insecure *****ebag mma fans who are terrified that people will confuse their sport with that "fake, gay stuff".

 

[Donnie Darko]

Hell, you could almost call amateur wrestling more "homoerotic" or "gay" with some of the holds and moves and such that have a whole heck of a lot more body contact and such. That whole argument never holds up, IMO.

I was a wrestler through middle school, high school, and some of college.

I used to grab balls all the time.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I was a wrestler through middle school, high school, and some of college.

I used to grab balls all the time.

Dude, be careful of posting short, quotable, sig-able phrases!

 

[Donnie Darko]

I own it. I was kind of a dick when I wrestled. I lived by the moral code of Eddie Guerrero.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I own it. I was kind of a dick when I wrestled. I lived by the moral code of Eddie Guerrero.

I've got a mental image of you throwing a chair to the other guy and then pretending to be unconscious.

 

[Wheels]

I just don't understand the perception that pro wrestling tries to promote itself as real Wrestlers freely acknowledge what wrestling is now. l don't see the difference between directors trying to immerse people in fiction and WWE doing the same. Wrestling just gets hate because it has the elements of a sport. As if depicting competition is wrong or something.

 

[NDX]

I was just watching some WWE stuff from a few years ago and realised how much I like Finlay. He was a really good midcarder who gave guys good matches. Lashley had his best matches with Finlay.

Finlay was is ****ing awesome in the ring because he is just a brute. Goes in there, kicks your ass, calls it a night. What I like about wrestling. Plus his look a style at the time really differed from the rest of the roster, he was perfect for the midcard scene.

David Benoit will have a very long and tough journey before maybe ever getting to at least NXT

Even if David Benoit would become the top wrestling star in the world, outside of WWE.......

They still wouldn't bring him in.

And even if they did, his family history wouldn't get acknowledged, and his name would be changed without question.

Wrestling fans are *******s to the core, he's going to have to grow a real thick skin real fast in order to make it in this business, even if he just became a king of the indies. He's going to take a lot of **** over what his father did. Hell, Davey Richards used to take a lot of **** after the Benoit incident, I can only imagine what an actual Benoit will go through.

Kid, you got balls. No brains, but balls. Good luck with this, hope you make it out in one piece.

TNA getting rid of them was such a huge mistake.

This I'll agree with. They were definitely a team that stuck out and can have very good matches, and played pretty good heels. I miss their presence, I haven't seen them in over a year now.

From highest to lowest, rank the level of importance that you guys put on these things:

Video Packages

Psychology of the Match

Promos

Production Values

Commentary

I've wanted to discuss this for awhile because it seems that most wrestling detractors dont realize is that pro wrestling is a performance art at it's core. This is the reason people always ask: "Dude why do you watch this, you know it's fake right?" and the reason hardcore MMA snobs ridicule pro wrestling. Simply put they dont hold it to the standard of being a performance art with it's own set of rules.

As for why I brought up the things I did in the post's core premise, it's because those are the main elements that keep viewers enthralled in pro wrestling and makes it a storytelling art form as opposed to just being pure stunt shows.

I only want to comment on one thing right now, or the lack on thing, and that's the psychology of the match. This came up on Gorilla Blood 2 weeks ago how submission wrestlers are missing a vital part to their wrestling matches, and that's wearing down an opponents [insert body part here] for their submission move. You have an arm based finisher, you should spend at least half of the offense you have working over that damn arm and break it down. If Jack Swagger actually worked over a guy's leg for once and just applied the ankle lock finisher maybe, just maybe THEY WON'T KICK OUT OF IT 9 ****ING TIMES OUT OF 10! Same goes for you, Kurt McSixPack!

I'm convinced that the WWE is ran by middle schoolers trapped in Adult bodies:

Dolph Ziggler reportedly had some heat on him for wearing a Zack Ryder t-shirt underneath his Islanders hockey jersey on Monday’s RAW in the Hamptons Hardcore match against Damien Sandow.

Ziggler said in an interview this week that he wore it because they were in Ryder’s home market but word is that there’s more to the story than that. Not only was Ziggler wearing a Ryder t-shirt not planned but it was looked down on backstage as a “silent protest.” One observer commented, “as if he hasn’t been in the dog house enough as of late.”

WWE, ARE YOU F-CKING SERIOUS!?!? This is BEYOND petty because it shows they are looking for copout reasons to punish the guy.

All I can do is this right now:

Man, I can't wait for Dolph's TNA debut.

 

[sweetre15]

I only want to comment on one thing right now, or the lack on thing, and that's the psychology of the match. This came up on Gorilla Blood 2 weeks ago how submission wrestlers are missing a vital part to their wrestling matches, and that's wearing down an opponents [insert body part here] for their submission move. You have an arm based finisher, you should spend at least half of the offense you have working over that damn arm and break it down. If Jack Swagger actually worked over a guy's leg for once and just applied the ankle lock finisher maybe, just maybe THEY WON'T KICK OUT OF IT 9 ****ING TIMES OUT OF 10! Same goes for you, Kurt McSixPack!

Oh and don't forget that ALOT of ADR's matches involve 80% Superkicks and Enzugiris and then goes into an armbar........Without ever working the fricking arm. It would do ADR ALOT OF FAVORS if he studied Jake The Snake matches on how he made a limb his target and worked the hell out of it. Hell even look at Sandow vs Cena on Raw for another good point of reference. If you have a submission finisher work that limb BEFORE even thinking about using that finisher.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I really hope so. With all the moves that have been embargoed to certain wrestlers, the Spear needs to be given to Reigns and Reigns alone. He's shown that he's got the best impact and form when delivering it that no one else compares. You can't believe other wrestlers attempt at the Spear because of how amazingly Reigns hits it. And the best part from Reigns, he's got enough agility and strength that he can pop off a Spear from a full sprint or while standing still and still make the impact look the same. Which is Brutal.

Only other person who could use the Spear at this point and make it look good is Big Show because of his sheer size alone.

Agreed and even then Show doesn't have that front foot agility that Reigns has to really launch into it and make it look spectacular.

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

One the greatest GIF's ever made.

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[Pink Ranger]

Pffft, whatever. I wore it better.

 

[NDX]

Oh and don't forget that ALOT of ADR's matches involve 80% Superkicks and Enzugiris and then goes into an armbar........Without ever working the fricking arm. It would do ADR ALOT OF FAVORS if he studied Jake The Snake matches on how he made a limb his target and worked the hell out of it. Hell even look at Sandow vs Cena on Raw for another good point of reference. If you have a submission finisher work that limb BEFORE even thinking about using that finisher.

I love Submission wrestling, watching people get stretched to their limits and beyond, and there are just not enough proper focus on how to wrestle those matches. Oh look, you have a submission finisher, how about using it right and break down your opponent to make it work better. No? Well **** you, too!

It really does piss me off when you have a move like the Diablo Armbar or Patriot Lock or STF and you don't go about breaking the body down to make those moves more effective. To me, that's how submission wrestling should be, whether it's wrenching the arm over and over to a simple key lock, just give me a reason to believe the Cross Arm Breaker works so effectively is because you hurt the arm first. Otherwise I find it harder to believe, and I want to believe dammit!

WHY CAN'T IT STILL BE REAL TO ME, DAMMIT?!

 

[sweetre15]

I love Submission wrestling, watching people get stretched to their limits and beyond, and there are just not enough proper focus on how to wrestle those matches. Oh look, you have a submission finisher, how about using it right and break down your opponent to make it work better. No? Well **** you, too!

It really does piss me off when you have a move like the Diablo Armbar or Patriot Lock or STF and you don't go about breaking the body down to make those moves more effective. To me, that's how submission wrestling should be, whether it's wrenching the arm over and over to a simple key lock, just give me a reason to believe the Cross Arm Breaker works so effectively is because you hurt the arm first. Otherwise I find it harder to believe, and I want to believe dammit!

WHY CAN'T IT STILL BE REAL TO ME, DAMMIT?!

If there was one particular thing I loved about Bret Hart matches , it was how methodical he was with his submission approach. Look at his match with Bret Hart at WM13 or even his match with Taker at Royal Rumble '96 where Bret would make sure to work the leg before attempting to put on the Sharpshooter. He's another one that guys like ADR, Kurt, and Swagger could follow example.

 

[NDX]

It's a lost art. Last time I really saw good submission work was Daniel Bryan's indie work. It's definitely not what it was back in the day, sadly. Fans today don't appreciate the finesse that goes into a real good submission moveset.

 

[sweetre15]

- As seen on Monday’s RAW, WWE debuted a new team with Mark Henry and Intercontinental Champion Big E Langston and the two worked Tuesday’s SmackDown tapings as well. Word is that Henry is determined to leave the bushiness with “giving something back” as the longest tenured active worker in the company. Henry’s new project is to help give Big E Langston “the rub” and Henry himself pushed for the team to happen. As we have noted, Langston also has the support of John Cena, Vince McMahon and other key people.

- The angle with The Shield attacking CM Punk after The Wyatt Family kidnapped Daniel Bryan on Monday’s RAW was a last minute plan and was not on RAW’s original script. No word yet on where they are going with it but everyone expects a huge feud between The Shield and The Wyatt Family at some point.

Source: Dailywrestlingnews

 

[sweetre15]

It's a lost art. Last time I really saw good submission work was Daniel Bryan's indie work. It's definitely not what it was back in the day, sadly. Fans today don't appreciate the finesse that goes into a real good submission moveset.

What's weird about that is you'll see guys like Damien Sandow do a better job of working a limb well better than the average submission wrestler in WWE.

Though ADR did good with targeting Cena's injured arm in their recent matches too but he needs to do that ALOT more often.

 

[NDX]

ADR could be a great in ring wrestler if he just balanced out working on the arm with all his kicks. It would be what he needs to make his matched with wrestlers not named Dolph Ziggler entertaining.

 

[Slushy]

Surprised to find out Edge hated his "You Think You Know Me" theme.


And Cody Rhodes wants to bring back the Winged Eagle belt. Fu**ing awesome!

 

[Lantern Venom]

Hell, you could almost call amateur wrestling more "homoerotic" or "gay" with some of the holds and moves and such that have a whole heck of a lot more body contact and such. That whole argument never holds up, IMO.

If someone ever gives you that weak old line about fakery, tell them to look up folkstyle (high school) figure four. A figure four to the head in a pinning combo is a thin layer of singlet away from gay porn. I wrestled for many years, and even wrestlers make jokes about this.

Trust me, if wrestling was really homoerotic, there would be a lot more gay guys watching it.

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I remember one time during the Attitude Era where two Divas were fighting in the shower and a friend of mine, who was gay, said, "This would be so much better if it was Flyin' Bryan and Stone Cold."

 

[The Sage]

- As seen on Monday’s RAW, WWE debuted a new team with Mark Henry and Intercontinental Champion Big E Langston and the two worked Tuesday’s SmackDown tapings as well. Word is that Henry is determined to leave the bushiness with “giving something back” as the longest tenured active worker in the company. Henry’s new project is to help give Big E Langston “the rub” and Henry himself pushed for the team to happen. As we have noted, Langston also has the support of John Cena, Vince McMahon and other key people.

- The angle with The Shield attacking CM Punk after The Wyatt Family kidnapped Daniel Bryan on Monday’s RAW was a last minute plan and was not on RAW’s original script. No word yet on where they are going with it but everyone expects a huge feud between The Shield and The Wyatt Family at some point.

Source: Dailywrestlingnews

Oh WWE. Typical on the fly booking.

I appreciate Mark Henry for what he wants to do. He does a good job of helping wrestlers look strong.