Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League - Part 5

[HellYeah]

Oh gawd not again. Will someone please fake some Snyder news to distract the merrygoround debate.

BREAKING NEWS: Zack Snyder reportedly attacked WB headquarter with Murdermobile to retrieve his Justice League Snyder Cut.

 

[HellYeah]

^^Billy Crudup and Ezra Miller
Another perfect casting from Snyder

 

[Consona]

BREAKING NEWS: Zack Snyder reportedly attacked WB headquarter with Murdermobile to retrieve his Justice League Snyder Cut.

 

[HellYeah]

That will be the HD footage, yes.

 

[markjoedelonge]

Beautiful shot. I LOVE the way Zack stages and shoots his action sequences.

 

[Micromind]

The amount of hard work Zack put in MoS and BvS was on another level than he did for JL, I mean.. no offense to Zack but, I feel he got exhausted doing 3 mega movies back to back and it shows in JL, even before Whedon was brought in.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I know, it was a note to me, not to you. t:

Okay, I just wanted to make sure people realized, starting a BvS quality debate wasn't my intent. Even though that seems to happen regardless haha. But even though I really didn't like Snyder's take, as a creative person, I really feel for the guy. He just wanted to stay true to his vision. WB set him up to be in a position where, if that vision was not received well, he couldn't really do anything about it.

If they really pegged him for their guy, they should have planned ahead in the event that his movies were not received well....which would have been as simple as NOT slating JL to start production right as BvS was released, and then used that time to go back to the drawing board and try to corse correct. And then if Zack was unwilling to change direction, you part ways before he starts production, NOT when he's already finished principal photography!

Zack doesn't get any of the blame here. He's just another creative whose interpretation I didn't agree with. That happens all the time, there's tons of comic runs that I really didn't like. WB was at fault for having no plan, and then trying to meddle in the middle of the film shoot. They needed to take things slower and give themselves time to asses public reaction to the films, but all they saw were dollar signs and they rushed ahead. Now they're paying the price.

The sad thing is, I still don't think they've learned the right lessons from all of this. Each time something goes wrong for them, they look to a quick easy fix "People didn't like BvS...MORE JOKES!" instead of really analyzing what went wrong. And as long as we have that kind of reactionary thinkers in charge, we're going to keep getting mediocre films.

 

[Arachnerd]

The more I think about it, WB sorta did the same thing back in the 90's in regards to Batman Returns and Batman Forever.

 

[Infinity9999x]

The more I think about it, WB sorta did the same thing back in the 90's in regards to Batman Returns and Batman Forever.

Definitely. Now, at least with that, it was in a time where they weren't trying to rush Batman films out one after the other. What they did in reaction to Burton was still really stupid, but what they did with Synder was even dumber, because they didn't give themselves time deal with any issues when they arose after BvS.

More and more I'm realizing how lucky, smart, whatever you want to call it, Marvel got with Feige. Say what you want about the films, but having a person who oversees the entire franchise and can say "this is the direction we need to go, this is tone, this is the bigger picture" and has a solid grasp of the characters and source material is huge. If you want to really go for a cinematic universe, you need someone like that.

WB never fully committed to that, because even if they had fully committed to letting Snyder shape his creative vision, he couldn't both be a Feige and a director. He simply wouldn't have enough time. And again it comes back to the fact that WB didn't want to put the time in to make this world work. They just wanted money, and it's bit them in the a$$. And unfortunately, Snyder was a victim of their "I'm only thinking about the money" mentality. If he had been given a Feige to oversee his creative vision, who knows what would have happened? Regardless of what you think of the guys work, the studio treated him like crap, and that's not fair to him.

 

[NotNickFury]

WB never fully committed to that, because even if they had fully committed to letting Snyder shape his creative vision, he couldn't both be a Feige and a director. He simply wouldn't have enough time. And again it comes back to the fact that WB didn't want to put the time in to make this world work. They just wanted money, and it's bit them in the a$$. And unfortunately, Snyder was a victim of their "I'm only thinking about the money" mentality. If he had been given a Feige to oversee his creative vision, who knows what would have happened? Regardless of what you think of the guys work, the studio treated him like crap, and that's not fair to him.

Absolutely. Admittedly, while a lot of elements and ideas in the DCEU are and should be attributed to Snyder, it would ultimately be very time-consuming to do that in addition to directing. At least, best guess. There's a reason Feige is merely a producer and top head instead of doing that in addition to getting behind the camera at Marvel Studios.

Now I'd be curious to see if that ever happened where we had a cinematic universe where the person shelling out the ideas also got behind the camera. It'd be like if Kathleen Kennedy decided that she wanted to direct a Star Wars film, horrific as that sounds. But yes, it probably would've helped had Snyder early on had someone- in addition to his wife, anyway- to help manage this world, like if Geoff Johns had been there from the beginning, just to throw out a name. Even though Nolan was involved with Man of Steel, I doubt he's all about the whole 'shared universe' kind of thing.

 

[GothamBat]

They actually blew up real cars for that scene. Wasn't all CG.

 

[Arachnerd]

It'd be like if Kathleen Kennedy decided that she wanted to direct a Star Wars film, horrific as that sounds.

For the love of all that is sacred, do not let this happen.

 

[kguillou]

And also, it wasn't organic. Snyder didn't sign on the create a whole cinematic universe. The guy got hired to reboot Superman for modern times and hopefully make him relevant again and that was really the sole intent with Man of Steel. The movie made the studio a nice profit and the suits said, "FINALLY! We have someone other than Batman whose a success, lets get to Justice League!" And then they asked Snyder to inorganically map out an entire DC world from there and get to JL within a certain timeframe. Zack probably had a Superman trilogy story in his head when he started this and then he had to adapt and change his whole plan to adhere to other DC characters.

But ultimately, the studio was asking a guy with very unique, distinct and polarizing sensibilities to shepherd an entire universe which shouldn't have happened. I think BvS UE is an amazing film but not a film that should have launched an entire universe. It should've been a one off or two part else-worlds story akin to TDKR or any myriad of DC's original graphic novels that played by its own rules and offered an alternative take on these iconic heroes.

 

[Infinity9999x]

And also, it wasn't organic. Snyder didn't sign on the create a whole cinematic universe. The guy got hired to reboot Superman for modern times and hopefully make him relevant again and that was really the sole intent with Man of Steel. The movie made the studio a nice profit and the suits said, "FINALLY! We have someone other than Batman whose a success, lets get to Justice League!" And then they asked Snyder to inorganically map out an entire DC world from there and get to JL within a certain timeframe. Zack probably had a Superman trilogy story in his head when he started this and then he had to adapt and change his whole plan to adhere to other DC characters.

But ultimately, the studio was asking a guy with very unique, distinct and polarizing sensibilities to shepherd an entire universe which shouldn't have happened. I think BvS UE is an amazing film but not a film that should have launched an entire universe. It should've been a one off or two part else-worlds story akin to TDKR or any myriad of DC's original graphic novels that played by its own rules and offered an alternative take on these iconic heroes.

Yep. Snyder got screwed over any way you shake it. I may not have liked his vision, but the studio ultimately failed him, and the fans as well. That, combined with his family tragedy really makes me feel for the guy. No one deserves to go through all that.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

They hired Zack to reboot Superman for a modern era; he did that and it wasn't good enough for them even though that is what they asked him to do.

 

[Herolee10]

Yep. Snyder got screwed over any way you shake it. I may not have liked his vision, but the studio ultimately failed him, and the fans as well. That, combined with his family tragedy really makes me feel for the guy. No one deserves to go through all that.

Normally, I'm against booing people in real life but if any of the creative minds that were involved with screwing Snyder over showed up for a public appearance at a DC related event, I would not be against them being booed out of the building.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Normally, I'm against booing people in real life but if any of the creative minds that were involved with screwing Snyder over showed up for a public appearance at a DC related event, I would not be against them being booed out of the building.

They profoundly messed up the DC film universe, and that's been incredibly disappointing to watch. I actually was instantly wary that BvS was the next film they announced after MOS. I wanted to see them establish their Superman more, and their world. My gut reaction was that they were trying to jump to am expanded universe, and it proved to be right.

Hopefully they'll have learned their lessons...but we'll see:

 

[Herolee10]

They profoundly messed up the DC film universe, and that's been incredibly disappointing to watch. I actually was instantly wary that BvS was the next film they announced after MOS. I wanted to see them establish their Superman more, and their world. My gut reaction was that they were trying to jump to am expanded universe, and it proved to be right.

Hopefully they'll have learned their lessons...but we'll see:

Honestly, none of the higher brass in charge of the DCEU deserves any applause right now.

We are pretty much at the worst case scenario right about now.

They pretty much screwed over EVERYONE with their treatment of JL.

I would only think about trusting them again IF they released the Snyder cut.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Honestly, none of the higher brass in charge of the DCEU deserves any applause right now.

We are pretty much at the worst case scenario right about now.

They pretty much screwed over EVERYONE with their treatment of JL.

I would only think about trusting them again IF they released the Snyder cut.

That wouldn't prove much to me to be honest, aside from the fact that they want to have higher Blu Ray sales. I would need to see evidence they were giving the DCEU the proper amount of planning it deserves.

 

[kguillou]

I'm very very curious to see how they handle this PR wise because they've been radio silent since November, but eventually somebody's gotta say somethin and you can bet your tucchus the topic of Justice League will come up constantly when promotion for Aquaman starts up. I'm curious to see what answers they'll have for whats sure to be very tough questions.

 

[flickchick85]

They'll just stick to the company line that it was a tricky situation with Zack's tragedy and all, and move on. I don't expect any great revelations to come out of those interviews.

 

[kguillou]

Oh I certainly dont expect them to reveal behind the scenes drama or anything, but I'm certain the geek news sites are going to ask tough questions about JL and Zack Snyder during Aquaman's press tour. This Aquaman is Zack's creation, after all.

 

[flickchick85]

As I said, I think it'll be one or two questions and move onto Aquaman. These press tours rarely get the "tough questions," especially from the geek site/bloggers who are just happy to be included lol. And the others won't be interested enough to ask. I'll be shocked if anything of note comes from it.

 

[kguillou]

I hope you're right, lets not forget what happened to Affleck as he was practically beaten into submission with questions about The Batman when promoting Live by Night.

People are smelling serious blood in the water with this production and I think questions are gonna come up.

 

[flickchick85]

I hope you're right, lets not forget what happened to Affleck as he was practically beaten into submission with questions about The Batman when promoting Live by Night.

That's because it was an exciting upcoming project, which is standard to ask someone about on a press tour, especially when it's so high profile. It's another game entirely to grill someone about a perceived failure. And let's be real, the only people likely to be doing a ton of press for Aquaman are the cast and James Wan, all of whom had little to do with JL's fate. If Geoff Johns does, he'll give some basic "too many cooks in the kitchen" answer and move on. It ain't gonna be a hot topic with this bunch, imo.