Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League - Part 5

[Micromind]

I doubt Geoff Johns will accompany Wan for Aquaman promotion tour. Geoff will stick to CW show promotions at Comic Cons.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I read on reddit that a Kevin T.
(he who shall not be named) released a statement saying they shouldn't have copied Marvel; was that an early April Fools joke?

 

[Micromind]

I read on reddit that a Kevin T.
(he who shall not be named) released a statement saying they shouldn't have copied Marvel; was that an early April Fools joke?

That's what Reddit posters will have you believe.. This is the direct quote.

“Warner Bros needs to continue doing what it’s always done: producing the biggest, most diverse slate in the business. That’s what’s made us successful. We can’t do what Disney’s done. It’s worked really, really well for them, but it’s not who we are. We need to continue to create a balanced slate of all types of movies and all genres,” Tsujihara said.

https://www.thewrap.com/warner-bros-shake-up-dc-films-fewer-cooks-justice-league-wonder-woman/

 

[Micromind]

BTW, I don't think WB copied Marvel, MoS did it's own thing .. it didn't copy any Marvel movie, neither did BvS, or Wonder Woman. Some people say SS copied GotG as there are similarities, but they forget that SS consists of hardcore criminals, which is not true for characters such as Star Lord, Gamora, Rocket, Drax and Groot. They are small time crooks, thieves and misfits, hardly 'hardened criminals', they can be redeemed, members of SS.. not so much, so surface level similarities.

 

[Infinity9999x]

They didn't really copy anything. They tried to rush to what Marvel had achieved, and because they didn't plan adequately, paid the price.

And to be honest, you don't have to do it the Marvel way. Instead of building up to JL the way Marvel built to Avengers, they could have simply made a JL film where we accept that the Justice League already exists and is known, and then some solos after that. Granted, this would have worked best if you did it before MOS, but still, that's a viable option.

Instead they tried doing an abridged build up and the films suffered because of it.

 

[NotNickFury]

Which is probably why it's for the best a. that Aquaman is their only film out this year, and b. that the reception to Justice League is what it is because more so than BvS, folks are more vocal about it, down to actors like Margot Robbie saying to trust the director's vision.

But yes, generally speaking I think since comic book films are so commonplace that origin stories...not that they're unnecessary, but they don't feel as vital as they once did unless, I suppose, it's a complete unknown.

Take The Dark Knight. Odd example, I know, but while it's further informed by what came before in Batman Begins, I'd argue that anyone could watch that movie having not seen Begins and still enjoy it on its own, even though Batman is already an established character. Same goes with Justice League. You can craft a world where characters already exist and then fill in the blanks later, as we've seen with Wonder Woman, Black Panther, Spider-Man: Homecoming, and presumably Aquaman later this year.

 

[Tra-El]

And to be honest, you don't have to do it the Marvel way. Instead of building up to JL the way Marvel built to Avengers..

I never thought the "build" was to JL. The only thing WB/DC did was set it up. The DCEU's foundation was set up with BvS and JL was a decompression of the shared universe from that film. With JL, it was meant to be the beginning of the build to JL2 IMO, which is what Snyder's story probably consisted of. JL was supposed to be a two-parter. The Avengers was the payoff movie for Marvel and what they wanted to build. Justice League could never be that. JL meant to officially kick everything off as the heroes united. JL Part Two I bet is what Snyder had in mind for the payoff film. WB/DC talks about how they can't be Disney and this and that. They simply ruined their own model once the meddling with BvS came into play. WB is a walking, talking and confusing contradiction.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I never thought the "build" was to JL. The only thing WB/DC did was set it up. The DCEU's foundation was set up with BvS and JL was a decompression of the shared universe from that film. With JL, it was meant to be the beginning of the build to JL2 IMO, which is what Snyder's story probably consisted of. JL was supposed to be a two-parter. The Avengers was the payoff movie for Marvel and what they wanted to build. Justice League could never be that. JL meant to officially kick everything off as the heroes united. JL Part Two I bet is what Snyder had in mind for the payoff film. WB/DC talks about how they can't be Disney and this and that. They simply ruined their own model once the meddling with BvS came into play. WB is a walking, talking and confusing contradiction.

I would say the rush to BVS after MOS is what marked the beginning of WB not taking their time and rushing the universe. They had no plans to jump to a vs film, and it shows. I would have preferred they further expand their Superman story before trying to do a vs Story, especially when they hadn't established the new Batman yet.

But WB wanted to get to JL as quick as possible because they say how much money Marvel was making.

 

[Poppy]

That's what Reddit posters will have you believe.. This is the direct quote.



https://www.thewrap.com/warner-bros-shake-up-dc-films-fewer-cooks-justice-league-wonder-woman/

I was happy to read that and thought that finally, WB got it. Then they hired the guys who wrote a mediocre Spider-man movie to direct Flash. I guess we'll see how it goes (maybe they will be fired too?); but I read that Game Night was a good suprise.

 

[Micromind]

Well, I read an interesting comment on reddit that basically said that Snyder's movies like BvS would have been more successful and appreciated had someone else made the solo Origin movies and maybe a sequel (of Superman and Batman) with classical portrayal of those heroes before BvS.

 

[Micromind]

Article in Washington Post about why Snyder will be missed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...be-sorry-to-see-it-go/?utm_term=.164eb9ec6142

 

[_Superman_]

Well, I read an interesting comment on reddit that basically said that Snyder's movies like BvS would have been more successful and appreciated had someone else made the solo Origin movies and maybe a sequel (of Superman and Batman) with classical portrayal of those heroes before BvS.

I don't disagree with that. Superman's story in SvB was supposed to be what happens in MOS2 as well as him dealing with the death of Zod. However Snyder had to fit that into SvB and make it work with Batman's story and while I think he did a good job in doing that I still think people would've appreciated more if you had a prequel Batman movie doing Death in The Family. Mainly just to show how Bruce fell so far.

 

[NotNickFury]

That article is funny. It's right in many respects, but for so many, probably even including The Washington Post, to have lambasted Snyder's approach, wanting DC's films to look more candy coated instead of dark, to now praise that approach once it seems that Snyder is out of the picture.

There's not enough irony in the world for this.

 

[GothamBat]

Well, I read an interesting comment on reddit that basically said that Snyder's movies like BvS would have been more successful and appreciated had someone else made the solo Origin movies and maybe a sequel (of Superman and Batman) with classical portrayal of those heroes before BvS.

I actually agree. I can't count the number of people who thought Batman was just a unhinged and filled with a thirst for vengeance by default and hadn't become that way after the black zero event. Same goes for the people who thought Superman's characterization in BVS was supposed to be default Superman and not the character in what should be the dramatic low point of his hero's journey. He's plagued with doubt, he fails to save people, he reflects solemnly, he mourns, he makes mistakes, he almost chooses to kill Batman... People think that was supposed to be the default Superman. Yes people are that clueless.

To have a solo Batman before BVS to show him before his fall would have made it clear to casual movie-goers that in BVS, he's supposed to be darker and more ruthless than he used to be. Then to have a Superman sequel where we see him be a successful Superman would have him doubting whether he should keep being Superman more impactful.

 

[_Superman_]

Article in Washington Post about why Snyder will be missed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...be-sorry-to-see-it-go/?utm_term=.164eb9ec6142

That article is funny. It's right in many respects, but for so many, probably even including The Washington Post, to have lambasted Snyder's approach, wanting DC's films to look more candy coated instead of dark, to now praise that approach once it seems that Snyder is out of the picture.

There's not enough irony in the world for this.

I always said down the road MOS and SvB would be looked upon more fondly then they are now. I just didn't expect it to be this soon.

 

[GothamBat]

That article is funny. It's right in many respects, but for so many, probably even including The Washington Post, to have lambasted Snyder's approach, wanting DC's films to look more candy coated instead of dark, to now praise that approach once it seems that Snyder is out of the picture.

There's not enough irony in the world for this.

So now they come out and say the DCEU was far superior to the MCU, calling the latter a series of movies with no style. Bit late guys.

 

[NotNickFury]

Well, with Snyder supposedly not directing anymore of the films, I suppose now is the time for the writers who did like his work to come out of the woodwork. Never mind that not too long ago it was also the same newspaper here that said BvS was so desperate to be serious that it forgot to have fun.

Now some years later, that same paper says we should be sorry to see Snyder's era go? Get out of here. Yes, I may be a tad bitter.

 

[GothamBat]

They just had to jump on that ridiculous bandwagon of hyperbole and antagonism.

 

[_Superman_]

Either way you look at it this is truly sad and WB really screwed up. As I said before for the most part the general audience did like these movies it was just the critics and some very vocal die hard fan boys that had some issues with them. But these movies were making money. That is until they messed with JL in a very public way that it became a joke.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Dont be silly its one random article. Calm down. If anything Snyder the DCEU and the poor decisions WB have repeatedly made look worse in the wake of Black Panther (et al).

MoS looks better in retrospect because the films that followed were failures. And that only works if you completely ignore WW. Stop trying to morph reality into something that makes you feel slightly better about (?). Its pathetic.

WB should have gone in a different direction after MoS. Period.

 

[STARMAN]

It's not like the Washington Post had an epiphany. They have different writers with different opinions.

 

[Micromind]

While I like that the writer is appreciating Snyder's contributions, he is ignoring the fact that WB's lack of coherent plans resulted in Snyder receiving lot more backlash than he deserved.

I mean, WB should have made a solo Batman movie before BvS and a Flash movie and a Aquaman movie before Justice League.

 

[Micromind]

It's not like the Washington Post had an epiphany. They have different writers with different opinions.

Who is saying that ? Of course a newspaper like Washington Post has more than one writer.

Not only that, same newspaper can publish articles with opposing viewpoints on same subject.

 

[GothamBat]

Either way you look at it this is truly sad and WB really screwed up. As I said before for the most part the general audience did like these movies it was just the critics and some very vocal die hard fan boys that had some issues with them. But these movies were making money. That is until they messed with JL in a very public way that it became a joke.

Yeah general audiences liked the movies just fine. They didn't get an F cinemascore like "mother!" or anything. And the movies were making bank. I remember when we were just 3 movies in, before Wonder Woman, the franchise had already raked in well over 2 billion dollars.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

What did i just say?! Sheesh