Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League - Part 7

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I think in the case of Zack, he always had a strong fanbase but the people Zack pissed off with his movies were REALLY pissed off. TLJ level pissed off. And those were the loudest voices you heard for a while, and those voices drowned out any of the positive feedback. Those were the voices WB heard and made them panic and turn JL into what it was.
 
I get that, sometimes it is fun to get caught up in that stuff especially when its about a movie thats unanimously derided like Fan4stic for example. But im just sayin, in the wake of JL, I am seeing a LOT of people on social media say they liked Zack's work and they should've kept him on and they wanna see the Snyder cut etc. Click on any Youtube video about Justice League and the comments are all rallying for the Snyder Cut. I had no idea the guy had that large a fanbase bevause circa 2013, everyone wanted his head for having Superman snap Zod's neck, or at least, thats how it appeared on the net.

I don't think anyone is discounting that Zack has fans. I guess it depends what your definition of "large" is. The whole 6 months after JL, twitter day, it didn't seem sites like comic bookmovie.com or io9 posted about it, meanwhile that anti Snyder video was posted on the latter.
 
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I liked MOS, it wasn't great, but it was going somewhere i thought was good. I think Superman is so hyped, by hardcore fans, no one would have been pleased, but the thing is, and i still stand by this, Zack is the best at bringing comic book worlds to life and grabbing key moments from legendary story arcs - however, he is not a great movie director.

Zack should have been creative consultant and the one to go to and giving blue prints for a director to tweak - a good director would have said 'ok let's compromise or adjust this moment because of X, Y and Z reasons' rather than Zack doing his thing thinking - 'it will totally challenge the viewers pre conception of what it means to be a hero in a world where they can't exist' etc etc. As whilst that is interesting, isn't what the Bilion $$ audience want.

Imagine Clark saving his father, the suspense and then joy, relief - then the realization that Clark maybe has to go into hiding as he outed himself to a few people. But, you're telling me Clark running in, grabbing Pa Kent and then leaping away couldn't just be viewed as a crazy act of god and good fortune? That moment, could have been handled better, it felt off to me.

BvS - Bruce's motive, actions - it should have been a good hour of cat and mouse - bruce vs clark both using each others minds.

Anyways, i will miss portions of his work.
 
^ That's a very, very fair criticism. I do think Zack maybe overly concerned himself with trying to blow away people's pre-conceived notions about the movies he's making. Whether you love or hate BvS, I think we can all agree we didn't see that movie coming. i think we all had more or less a pre-conceived notion of what the first Batman/ Superman movie was going to be about and Zack went a totally different direction that I don't think anyone was expecting.
 
That's one of the things I love about him and his creative decisions. They're not obvious. Like... You know exactly where things are going with every scene in Black Panther for example. You know exactly how they will play out. Take the scene where he meets his dad in the ancestral plane. He walks up to him, shocked, then relieved, then he hugs him, then they share a laugh. All of a sudden he feels guilty and sinks down in an act of piety and guilt, "Stand up. You are a king" and so on...

The movie plays out exactly as it knows it's expected to play out and you anticipate literally every beat, every line, everything. It's going through the motions.

Did any of us expect Batman to beat the ever-loving crap out of Superman? And win the fight? No. We all expected them to be evenly matched and for the fight to end in a draw. Did we expect Wallace Keefe to blow up before Superman had a chance to speak at the hearing? No. We expected there to be some ideological confrontation of sorts. It's not TRYING to be subversive or unexpected like Focus for example. It's simply playing out in accordance to the creative decisions and sensibilities of someone who doesn't care about making the same trite, tired, platitudinous stuff as everyone else and a film constructed within those parameters is exciting to me.
 
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Ok... This annoyed the living hell out of me and I thought I owed it to all of you to share it here so we can all bask in the cringe and annoyance.



Love this video and you all should check out 'the Snydering' a great 'take the p**s out of Zack Snyder video', infact this channel does a great job taking the p**s out of Zack Snyder in general, which is probably one of the reasons why it's so popular.
 
Love this video and you all should check out 'the Snydering' a great 'take the p**s out of Zack Snyder video', infact this channel does a great job taking the p**s out of Zack Snyder in general, which is probably one of the reasons why it's so popular.

You heard it here first guys, Channel Awesome got popular thanks to Walter Banasiak's Snyder impression. Nostalgia Critic? Who's that?

Oh Superchan. Never change.
 
Didn't Channel Awesome recently get sucked into major criticism over their mistreatment of employees and multiple cases of sexism from upper management?
 
What do you guys think about this?

https://www.reddit.com/r/DCEUleaks/comments/8ohj5c/bts_of_dceu_what_actually_happened_during_bvs_ss/

Sources: WB Insiders.

Note: None of these are my words, I only paraphrased what I had found on Twitter.

Before MOS:

Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison, Millar and other writers are invited to draft different concepts for the Superman reboot. Some are very reminiscent of Donner's Superman while some are elseworld, dark and hyperviolent like Superman living as long as our Sun and dying along with it, Krypton not being doomed, 8 hour Godfather-esque trilogy etc. In favour of MOS, WB ditches all the aforesaid ideas. Since then, the aforesaid names hold a grudge(they would later speak against MOS publicly).
Nolan after hiring Snyder, learns about the concerns being raised against the film by Geoff and gives strict instructions to Snyder to not let any outsiders enter the sets (Snyder mentions this in multiple interviews). After MOS releases to mixed reviews, Snyder continues to follow the intended vision and Nolan gets busy with his films.

Batman v Superman

It was going to be a different film than the one we got. Batman was always there, but originally... Corbos, a victim who suffered from the Black Zero Event was going to be the upfront villain, who is later turned into Metallo by Lex (official concept arts of Metallo available online). It had significantly different second and third acts. No Doomsday. All the finance/funding required for the DCEU ($1B) was successful through the addition of RatPac. It enters into production in late 2014 and something happens.
Influx of leaks coming out from Geoff John's office. Entire script is leaked to Marvel and that's how Civil War was born. (Ever notice the striking similarities between the two films and even be slightly suspicious how "coincidental" it was all? Billionaire vs Boyscout - Strategically won but morally lost, Govt. and Media witch hunting, Villain pulling strings from behind, Prominence of Mothers, African supporting characters, Bomb blasts pushing heroes etc. Russos even admit in an interview during the release that CW was greenlit only after BVS, little did fans know what happened. Marvel vs DC is not terrible at just fan-level but even worse at company level.)
After learning that the script is out, Batman v Superman gets delayed by a year. Zack Snyder tightens the crew. WB loses a lot of momentum and months are wasted on rewrites. Meanwhile, Marvel scraps its initial idea for CA3 and cribs the DC script to create Civil War. WB and Zack decide to raise the stakes. And that is how Doomsday was born. Corbos is turned into a supporting character - Wallace Keefe. All these changes and rewrites are happening along with the production simultaneously (also reported by a notorious "blogger"). More leaks start coming out from Geoff Johns' office, including the news about Doomsday (remember who leaked this news first? Which "notorious" blogger?). Marvel then announces that CW would release on the same date as BVS (an even lower move after getting their hands on the script). WB changes the release date again for the third time. Gradually, WB/DC gets divided into two factions fighting each other over DCEU. In the meantime, DOJ finishes production. Bloggers do what they were told to do. BVS:DOJ is officially rated R with 3 hour duration. Zack is promised with the Ultimate Cut release and ordered to cut 30 mins of the film and secure PG 13 rating.
BVS releases to disastrous reviews. Time Warner pressures WB to fire Zack Snyder. Kevin Tsujihara refuses and instead promotes Geoff Johns and his friend Toby Emmerich to oversee the DCEU. (Later, on the original release date of Batman v Superman, Civil War releases to critical acclaim.)

Suicide Squad

Geoff Johns and Toby Emmerich order reshoots and force several changes to the film and its tone before the picture is locked (so an Ayer cut never existed). It was intended to be rated R with The Joker serving as the main villain in the third act - much similar to Rocksteady and Jay Oliva's Assault on Arkham (upon Snyder's suggestion), but greatly extended, violent and unadulterated version of the character. It went like this: Squad becoming villains by circumstances, then by duty (Amanda Waller) and later by The Joker.
After the mandate, 90% of The Joker scenes are cut(as said so by Jared himself), his relationship with Harley is changed from an abusive one, hole in the sky plot is added along with a lot of humour, serious tone is mostly eliminated, several scenes are reordered, violence is drastically reduced and the third act is completely changed through reshoots. More leaks begin to come out on the changes(remember who reported it first? Same "notorious" blogger who leaked the news about Doomsday. How did he get it? Already mentioned.)
Suicide Squad releases to disastrous reviews. Somehow it clicks with the targeted audience and brings in huge profits for WB.

Wonder Woman

WB had more faith in Suicide Squad than they did in this. Rumours start flying around calling it a disjointed mess. Patty puts out a statement and is mocked. Geoff Johns, who mostly worked with a writer, but never directly with Patty deems the No Man's Land sequence "very dark" and tries his best to cut it. Patty Jenkins and Zack Snyder fight for it tooth and nail and instead compromise with the third act. Reshoots begin and the third act with Ares is significantly changed.
Wonder Woman releases to overwhelming reviews. Geoff Johns, despite his less to negligible significance on the film, begins self-indulgent PR and takes the credit. In exchange of several leaks, he gets a "Fiege like positive outlook for the DCEU" from the bloggers. Patty slips about the No Man's Land getting into trouble during editing and fighting hard to keep it alive quickly changes her stance as it creates negative PR. Kevin Tsujihara after noticing the PR work repeats at a press event that they do not want to be like Marvel and simply tell stories that connect with the audiences as agreed with Snyder during MOS.

The Flash/Flashpoint

As Rick Famuyiwa's vision is aligning too much with the original, he is ****canned by Geoff. After submitting multiple drafts and refusing to compromise, he is then fired. Kiersey Clemons who was already cast as Iris West goes on to work with Snyder, calls her scenes great in JL in an interview, would get fired before the release with her scenes deleted as Snyder departs and makes a cryptic post expressing her disappointment on the social media. Rick would later make a comparison of Black Panther and Justice League at BO, laughing at the latter's performance and expressing his bitter experience at DC.

The Batman

Ben Affleck with Snyder at helm wanted to make a trilogy (besides the main series), where Part 1 and 2 in the trilogy would take place nearly a decade ago with the final one taking place during The Arrival of Superman. As he was very much aligned with Zack Snyder's vision, his interpretation of Batman was also going to be terrorizing and brutal, but with a lot less causalities while heavily dealing with the relationship b/w Batman and Robin/Jason Todd.
Geoff, who had already started erasing Snyder's influence on the DCEU, disagrees with Ben and forces him to change the tone (to the one we got in JL). Ben, who had already a lot going on in his personal as well as professional life decides to leave. As planned, Geoff and Toby hire a "hot name" that happened to be Matt Reeves.

Justice League

Snyder is now constantly receiving several notes from Geoff Johns and occasionally from Toby Emmerich. After MOS, BVS and JL, rest of the main series would be heavily influenced by Injustice, Flashpoint, Final Crisis and Kingdom Come with Superman as the backbone of it all (confirmed by Snyder and Jay Oliva) until it wasn't as compromises on Justice League begin slowly with soft changes. For instance, the costume of The Flash is ordered to be more in line with DCTV/CW version of The Flash. Snyder wanted it to be a homemade suit, which would later be upgraded by Wayne Tech. He was building within a building much like he did with Batman's.
Then the hard compromises begin: Resurrection of Superman and Black Suit(image posted by Henry on IG and talked about by DOP) are the first and foremost to largely get impacted as they are deemed "dark". A lot of elements around Batman are drastically altered, later the arcs and then the characters themselves are made to change with the addition of more humour(for obvious reasons). JL1 and JL2 are turned into a standalone with minimal references to Injustice, Flashpoint, Final Crisis and Kingdom Come. Later during the set visit, critics and bloggers are told beforehand to deliberately question Zack Snyder about his vision. (Some of them even mention about it.)
Filming is finally over in October, 2016. Jason Momoa shares it on IG and the crew receives some gifts from Henry Cavill along with a note thanking them for being alongside the long and hard battle. JL is screened in January, 2017. Geoff and Toby decide to release a different version for the theatrical release. Joss Whedon is hired and starts working on the changes (referred to as a "secret weapon" in an interview by Geoff and Toby). Zack continues to work on the post-production. On March 11, 2017, his daughter commits suicide. A week later, Snyder tries to immerse himself into his work but with even more compromises cited to be made, he decides to leave saying he's had enough.
Extensive reshoots are planned. Ray, Gal and Jason are against the changes. Kevin Tsujihara visits the JL editing room for the first time and calls out Joss Whedon on his "slapstick" introduction and orders to reduce it drastically.
Geoff Johns, Diane Nelson and Toby Emmerich take several shots at Zack Snyder in their interviews going all the way back to MOS. Geoff even calls the sandbox idea as his own when in fact it was all Snyder's.
Justice League releases to disastrous reviews.

POST-JL

Geoff Johns is demoted and Hamada takes control of DCEU.
Clay Enos, a close associate of Snyder, starts interacting with fans in various ways hinting at what happened BTS; positively reacting to the speculations made by fans against Geoff Johns. Ezra Miller and Ray Fisher's photographer calls Geoff Johns "scum of the Earth" and later deletes the tweet. He too positively reacts to the speculations. Outsiders who got to see the Snyder Cut start talking about Hamada in a cryptic way (against Geoff) and also confirm that the Snyder cut exists on Instagram (their screenshots are later liked by ZS on Vero).
Joss gets fired. Patty, upset with the way Joss had had handled WW in JL, likes an article on Twitter saying, "Snyder likes an article (on Vero) about Joss getting fired as a good thing for DC". Kiersey Clemons is rehired. New directors are onboard with DCEU. Snyder is reached out by Hamada. He confirms a question saying that he will be producing WW2. In late March, with all the changes happening and losing control over the DCEU, GJ expresses his anguish by changing his cover on his FB profile. He now oversees only CW/DCTV and the upcoming DC Universe Streaming Service content.
Release of the Snyder Cut largely depends on the AT&T and TW merger (which is being blocked by POTUS under anti-trust). Better grasp at what would happen might be known more clearly after SDCC and if/when AT&T and TW merger happens.
 
That reads like fan fiction from someone with a giant chip on their shoulder.
 
I stopped giving the benefit of the doubt after BvS original leaked to Marvel.

It enters into production in late 2014 and something happens.

Influx of leaks coming out from Geoff John's office. Entire script is leaked to Marvel and that's how Civil War was born. (Ever notice the striking similarities between the two films and even be slightly suspicious how "coincidental" it was all? Billionaire vs Boyscout - Strategically won but morally lost, Govt. and Media witch hunting, Villain pulling strings from behind, Prominence of Mothers, African supporting characters, Bomb blasts pushing heroes etc. Russos even admit in an interview during the release that CW was greenlit only after BVS, little did fans know what happened. Marvel vs DC is not terrible at just fan-level but even worse at company level.)

After learning that the script is out, Batman v Superman gets delayed by a year.

From January 17, 2014
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/18/batman-vs-superman-release-pushed-10-months-to-may-2016
Warner Bros. announced today that they have pushed the release date of the Batman vs. Superman movie, aka Man of Steel sequel, a whopping 10 months from July 17, 2015 until May 6, 2016 to allow "the filmmakers time to realize fully their vision, given the complex visual nature of the story."

This May 6, 2016 slot is currently occupied by an unspecified Marvel Phase 3 movie. That's right, fanboys. As of right now, it's DC and Marvel going head to head on the same day at the box office!

BvS was the one who moved their release date to the unspecified Marvel movie date that would be Civil War and it was announced in the beginning of 2014.

From August 6, 2014
Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice has been moved up on the release date schedule from May 2016 to March 25, 2016
https://deadline.com/2014/08/batman-v-superman-new-release-date-warner-bros-dc-815462/
 
I'm certain there have been numerous factions within WB/DC that have splintered and come at odds with one another over the years. It's been that way with the fanbase since at least 2013. I'm just positive it didn't play out like that, with Geoff Johns as the cackling mustache twirler there to ruin everyone's vision.
 
I'm certain there have been numerous factions within WB/DC that have splintered and come at odds with one another over the years. It's been that way with the fanbase since at least 2013. I'm just positive it didn't play out like that, with Geoff Johns as the cackling mustache twirler there to ruin everyone's vision.

That's because the mustache was removed.
 
That's because the mustache was removed.

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Wow, what a load of crap. And Civil War is basically the original BVS script? Give me a break. So Captain America, Iron Man, War Machine, Spider-Man, Black Widow, Vision, Black Panther, Winter Soldier, Falcon, Ant-Man, and Scarlet Witch are all stand-ins for DC characters? Geoff Johns is the horrible villain destroying the DCEU from the inside? This is faker than the most badly written fan fiction (My favorite part is the hyperventilating about how Marvel moved the movie release date to BVS's date, exclaiming how it was such a low blow, when in reality Marvel had that date first and it was WB that moved there).

Oh, wait, it gets even better...

Release of the Snyder Cut largely depends on the AT&T and TW merger (which is being blocked by POTUS under anti-trust). Better grasp at what would happen might be known more clearly after SDCC and if/when AT&T and TW merger happens.

So now we're not getting the supposed Snyder cut because of TRRRRUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMPPPPPPPPP!!!

Yeah, whoever wrote this is certifiable. :loco:
 
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I can feel it, guys. This month, we'll know one way or the other if this cut is coming or not.
 
That article is too bad to be true, antagonizing GJ so badly that it become unrealistic.

Nevertheless, that would be a goos scenario for a fictional film:
"Tale of DCEU Rivalry" with no happy ending.
 
Randomly saw this on Youtube. Man, I wish I had a crowd that was THIS receptive to Superman's return.

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Randomly saw this on Youtube. Man, I wish I had a crowd that was THIS receptive to Superman's return.

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Yeah, Superman's resurrection got some cheersfrom the crowd.


Hearing John Williams theme when 'evil' Supes tries to kill Flash was the biggest wt# moment for me, I loled.


It doesn't fit at all.
 
You heard it here first guys, Channel Awesome got popular thanks to Walter Banasiak's Snyder impression. Nostalgia Critic? Who's that?

Oh Superchan. Never change.

LOL, I did say probably one of the reasons why the channel got popular and you probably would've picked up on it if you weren't consumed by a fit of rage because somebody liked a video of somebody else criticizing Snyder's work.
Honestly I don't really understand why you keep reading my posts especially when they seem to upset you so much, just put me on ignore and be done with it.


That reads like fan fiction from someone with a giant chip on their shoulder.

Yup, somebody who really hates Geoff Jones.
 
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