The Dark Knight Rises Zack Snyder wants to make a "The Dark Knight Returns" Movie!

First off, it's pretty clear that people don't use their heads much when they go to the movies, and I don't think anyone should fault them for that. especially not for action movies. and I'm not saying everything should be lowbrow to descend to a common denominator but you also shouldn't expect normal people to open themselves up to concepts that we as readers grasp easily and hold dear. we grasp it easily because we've spent hours wrangling with messes of comic book continuity and timeliness, this stuff is second nature to us

Second, there were proper "film reviewers" from newspapers who thought BB was a sequel. The name says BEGINS and people thought it was a friggin sequel. Advertising is good for nothing more than "This is a movie about X and the main actor is Y. Here is something funny. He is an action scene. Coming soon." No film should EVER rely on advertising to set the groundwork for it. It's either marketable or it's not. Let alone an hero film.


Third, just IMAGINE the promo you'd have trying to sell this bastard of a movie:
"Did you enjoy Batman 3? Great! Well the new Batman is totally different! We've started all over again, but this time it all begins at the end! You see Batman's grown really old now but (oh and btw) because he was actually young around the 1960's (and not in the present day like we told you before, sorry about that, can we just forget that now?) so yeah now that he's all old and cranky it's obviously gonna be more like the 1980's or something. Do you remember the 1980's? Of course not! Our primary target market was barely even alive then! Do you remember the Cold War? No? Well that's a pity, cos this story is kinda set in the middle of that. Yeah we're done with the War On Terror, we're going for more of a retro vibe. Yeah except that he's old now. What? Why is he all old? I thought I already told you that. It's in HIS FUTURE. Yeah but in the 80's. What? Yeah of course we're in 2014 right now, big deal. It's a one-shot! Real Captain Obvious over here. So do you deserve to see this movie or what?"

Since when did TDKR take place in the 80's? It's pretty clear from reading it that it takes place in the future. Granted, Ronald Reagan is President, and the Cold War is still happening (which was still very much a possibility in the 80's)... but I was always under the impression after reading it that it was meant to be an alternate timeline where Reagan somehow managed to hold on to power past his two terms (though it's been a good ten years since I've read it so I may be wrong about that). Really, change that plot point, and slightly alter the cold war storyline and it's pretty easy to adapt without confusion.
 
Why is the whole Reagan era and Cold War scenario such a big deal for people? "BTAS" the first few seasons looked like it came out of the 30's-50's, whereas the later seasons looked ver much like of today. Frank Miller likes combining film noir and different periods and years all together.

If it has Batman on the front of the movie, people won't care what timeframe it's set. Hell, you wouldn't even have to have Reagan or the Cold War setting, you could just have some guy who resembles Reagan or talks like him, and keep the setting in the future. Or have it where someone revives Reagan from the dead, he runs for president, and wins and then continue on with the book.
 
Yeah, he would have been perfect for the part way back when, but he's about 20 years too old for it now.
 
My choice would be Kurt Russell.

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My choice would be Kurt Russell.

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I like the Scar, but he dosn't really look like old Batman to me.

I also don't think they could tell the whole story, I mean that Nazi chick and the creepy Toy maker and his robot babies would just freak people out.
 
The photo is from Death Proof.

I think Russell would be just right for Batman in TDKR. I've got a manip on another computer of him in the cowl. Once I can get to it, I'll post it.
 
I like the Scar, but he dosn't really look like old Batman to me.

I also don't think they could tell the whole story, I mean that Nazi chick and the creepy Toy maker and his robot babies would just freak people out.

in a good way. They'd make it interesting. Those are two of my most memorable Batman characters, along with the Mutant Leader
 
Kurt Russell is too old because batman/bruce was just 50 years old in TDKR

But honestly who do you guys want cast as the riddler
 
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Oh well. Made this for fun...
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This is my second manip so...its not that good
 
Bah, the Joker would HAVE to be none other than David Bowie The Thin White Duke himself. Great actor when he puts his mind to it and the model for DKR Joker in the first place.

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Why is the whole Reagan era and Cold War scenario such a big deal for people? "BTAS" the first few seasons looked like it came out of the 30's-50's, whereas the later seasons looked ver much like of today. Frank Miller likes combining film noir and different periods and years all together.

look I've outlined the differences in every one of my posts on this subject and people keep ignoring the main issue (time goes backwards while his age goes forwards) and going for an easy, lazy refute which is mostly beside the point. TAS was realized in art-deco visual style. It was also a childrens cartoon on TV. DKR references actual events, people and more importantly moods and a zeitgeist that are EXCLUSIVE to the 80's, and it's a blockbuster film for a HUGE mainstream audience released in cinemas. There's bit more on line than in TV toons. Sorry but I'm sick of people getting up and saying "oh but the Burton movies were set back in the day too" or "they changed actors and settings with the Nolan franchise!" There's alot more going on here than that.

If it has Batman on the front of the movie, people won't care what timeframe it's set. Hell, you wouldn't even have to have Reagan or the Cold War setting, you could just have some guy who resembles Reagan or talks like him, and keep the setting in the future. Or have it where someone revives Reagan from the dead, he runs for president, and wins and then continue on with the book.

people will care when the timeframe becomes important to the film and kind of hard to ignore. Huge events and themes in the book will have to be altered if you want to keep the Cold War period out (which is the logical step of course). But again this goes to the point that if you're making a DKR film without the 80's it's not really DKR anymore is it? It'd be like putting Watchmen in the new millennium and making it about terrorism. You may as well just make an original movie set in a PROPER FUTURE and keep the best bits of DKR, the ultimate 'future batman' with bits of Batman Beyond or whatever else you want to add.

Also a film with the themes of DKR will be held to much higher scrutiny than the comic book. Alot of fans love DKR for the action, the old batman, Joker, Superman etc and don't give a damn about the political/sociological themes. But critics and older audiences in a movie definitely will. And don't give me "oh screw the critics". You don't make a summer blockbuster without considering the critics and older somewhat more discerning folk. Okay Transformers maybe, but we're talking DKR here which definitely has a political edge, and you have to get that right.

btw I'm the only person who has a problem with this, not 'people'.


learn your Batman comics goddamnit

you had TKJ there. I know what that is. and Nolan already made that movie :oldrazz:
 
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Since when did TDKR take place in the 80's? It's pretty clear from reading it that it takes place in the future. Granted, Ronald Reagan is President, and the Cold War is still happening (which was still very much a possibility in the 80's)... but I was always under the impression after reading it that it was meant to be an alternate timeline where Reagan somehow managed to hold on to power past his two terms (though it's been a good ten years since I've read it so I may be wrong about that). Really, change that plot point, and slightly alter the cold war storyline and it's pretty easy to adapt without confusion.

This is a fair point. But still I hold to the point that to a mainstream audience the Cold War and Reagan etc are HIGHLY representative of the 1980's and everything that was going on at the time, including a mood that is well captured in the media and "man the street aspects" of DKR. If as you say, DKR was actually set in....1994 or 2011 for example, but still with Reagan and the Russians and the public mood, to me and to most people I'm guessing that would basically be like "the 80's" never ended. If everything about "the 80's" just continued into the future.....it's still the 80's in effect.

You're right DKR ever actually mentions a specific year, but I don't think you'd find much arguement out there that it doesn't evoke a certain era. It's pretty blatant and central to the story
 
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^Bowie would be perfect! That one picture looks just like the comatose Joker. I'd either want him or Marilyn Manson :grin:
 
Mickey Rourke as Bats

(he looks the part of someone who got his face punched for 20+years and the badass Miller main male lead character archetype is really the same for Marv and Bats. the only difference is one wears a cape.)

Ellen Page as Carrie/Robin

Ian McKellan as Alfred.

Eastwood as Gordon (if he'd do a supporting role) Michael Douglas would also be a good choice

Bowie for Joker (although I worry about his acting chops his look would be perfect)

Caveziel for Supes

Tim Sylvia (of the MMA world) as Mutant Leader

Demi Moore as Selena Kyle

Ed Begley jr as Ollie/Green Arrow (he can play serious believe me and his real life liberal civil rights/environmentalist persona is right in line with Ollie's making it easy for me to believe he could really pull it off)

David Letterman as himself

The operating table will be played by the mudhole under the sewer pipe
 
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This is a left field choice for Selina. Yes, she is a soap opera actress, but shes really good at the role she plays. Plus it isnt a huge role she would have to play anyway.

Melody Thomas Scott
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What?! I LOVED Death Proof! WAAAAAY better than Planet Terror IMO.
 

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