The Dark Knight Rises Elements of The Dark Knight Returns?

[DeeBarr]

Evening all. Just finished reading The Dark Knight Returns (for about the 20th time) and I was wondering if there are any themes in the comic you would like to see in the next movie.

For me, Millers Batman is the quintessential example of him.

The main theme I enjoyed in the novel is his silence. Obviously we can hear his thoughts as he creeps around the warehouse taking down thugs one by one and I felt this was echoed pretty well in the docks/falcone catching scene in Begins.

In TDK I would have preferred to see him exhausted a few more times, especially when he was putting his shirt on in the "Know your Limits" scene.

I guess my questions is , "Are there any themes or ideas from The Dark Knight Returns that you think would suit Rises?"

Long Days and Pleasent Nights.

DeeBarr

 

[TheBatman072]

No not really.

EDIT: Wait, I completely forgot that I've mentioned this before

When Bruce comes out of retirement, all that stuff that happens after. He tears through the city, beating the hell out of every criminal he comes across.

I'd like to see THAT after Bane kicks the crap out of Batman(not breaking his back, but giving him severe injuries is good enough for me) and Batman recuperates toward the climax of the movie.

He recovers with Alfred in the Batcave after setting up a huge work out center. He tears through Gotham's criminals(now under Bane's rule). Making his way back up to Bane.

Come to think of it, we could even get a scene similar in Knightfall to Bane beating Bruce in the newly built Wayne Manor and the circumstances leading up to that. What with the police chasing Batman, Batman still fighting crime in Gotham, and Bruce Wayne still keeping up public appearances, we could get the sense that Bruce hasn't slept in weeks. He's fighting fatigue.

And at the end of the second act, he makes his way back to the Manor, with Bane waiting for him.

 

[DeeBarr]

I really like that idea...

Only have one question: Why will Bane be in Gotham? [BLACKOUT][/BLACKOUT]

 

[TheBatman072]

I really like that idea...

Only have one question: Why will Bane be in Gotham?

To...destroy Batman?

Why else would he be in Gotham?

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I really like that idea...

Only have one question: Why will Bane be in Gotham?

To break the bat.

 

[DeeBarr]

Not to confront his own demons?

Do you think he will let everyone out of Arkham?

 

[TheBatman072]

Confronting his own demons and destroying Batman can be one and the same motivation.

Also, no, we've already seen the Arkham break out.

 

[The_Maestro]

1. Maybe this new version of Bane will have some elements of the Mutant Leader?

2. I think the end of the film will be a variation on The Dark Knight Returns.

Spoiler

Bruce Wayne is presumed dead at the end. The Batman lives on!

 

[Doctor Who]

^Just for the record, if TDKR were to end it that way, I think it would be bad@$$. It's one of those ideas were I have feeling that there is a small percent in which side with me, and those who hate it; and 90% of those fans who hate the idea will jump the ship when the movie's released and say it's the greatest Batman ending ever made, if gone TDKR rote. Hypocritical, but from my years of observation, true.

 

[Vile]

Batman faking his death and taking control of the League of Shadows to transform them into a global army for justice would be badass.

Essentially a cross between Dark Knight Returns and Batman Inc.

 

[Doctor Who]

Batman faking his death and taking control of the League of Shadows to transform them into a global army for justice would be badass.

Essentially a cross between Dark Knight Returns and Batman Inc.

Even though I'm not huge on the return of TLOS, I admit, that would be spectacular; and JGL could be Grayson! t:

*blushes* Too much?

 

[BigEggo]

ooooh,the maestro,thats a really good idea.not out of the realms of possibility either,which is always nice when a great idea surfaces.

my number 1 wish for batman has always been a straight adaption of the dark knight returns,so any kind of translation to the screen is a big deal in my book.

pity we cant have the joker and batman heading into the carnival and...well...you know.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Oh boy, where do I begin? Everything after the second book (Dark Knight Triumphant) screams TDKR. The entire premise of Batman being hunted down by the government is an obvious theme. There are countless others throughout the book, such as the Sons of the Bat going rogue, the Mutants on the rise, Bruce's personal struggle with the 'creature' that tells him 'what he needs', Yindel's reproach to Batman (echoed by Sarah Essen?), etc. It could even end the way DK:R ended - with Bruce realising that there are bigger enemies to be fought, much bigger than his personal rogue's gallery.

You can literally take cues from that book and plant the seeds in just about any Batman story.

From the clues we've had thus far, I'd say Nolan will for the first time tackle the issue of Batman being a personal demon to Bruce, focus on that dynamic, one that hasn't been explicitly explored in the last two films. I don't mean to say that we need Batman cackling like the devil himself while beating punks to a pulp, or scaring the **** out of them, but the conflict between Bruce and Batman will probably be focused on a lot more this time around. This is, after all, the story of how Bruce Wayne the man, became Batman the legend.

 

[Doc Samson]

Part of me wants that (hell, even The Dark Knight Returns is the better title over Rises, no matter what existential themes they incorporate)

But on the other hand, I'm still holding out hope for a straight movie adaptation, because IMO, it has the ingredients for one of the best stand alone comic movies of all time.

It has all his important rogues, contains an interesting perspective to Batman fighting his war in old age, and finally it has the most epic clash between Superman & Batman there ever was. If you put all that on film in the most proper way, I think the scale of it blows even TDK out of the water. It would be a spectacle of epic proportions, but the impact wouldn't be the same if certain elements are used prematurely

 

[Nave 'Torment']

That's just it Doc , we've seen many of the important themes from DK:R in Nolan's series as it is. I would love a direct adaptation, but I don't think it'll carry the same resonance. At least not while Nolan's early-years series is so fresh in our minds. I don't want it as the next Batman film after TDKR either because then we'd be robbed of a true Batman movie from the comics as it is - an adult Batman, not necessarily an old one, a Batman at the height of his career.

But anyway, I have a nagging feeling at the bottom of my stomach that TDKR will end the same way as DK:R. I can't remember who it was, but someone also mentioned the possibility of the Mutant-Mud-Battle being incorporated with the Leader being replaced by Bane and Carrie's role reflected into Selina Kyle. I can see that happening.

 

[KalMart]

I wouldn't mind seeing an ending n Rises like in Dark KNight Returns.

 

[COMPO]

I'd like a rise of the mutants occuring as well the Sons of Batmen going rogue as well mini-groups as Gotham starts to go nuts but sort of mentioned never seen, I'd like Bane to take over the mutants and be like the Mutant Leader except have his own plans. Have Batman hunted by the cops and have Gordon fired or replaced with someone like Yindel I'd like either Janice Porter or Sarah Essen, with Sarah they could have Gordon teaching Sarah that Gotham needs Batman as it starts going to pot and having the romantic relationship with the two.

 

[KalMart]

I'd like a rise of the mutants occuring as well the Sons of Batmen going rogue as well mini-groups as Gotham starts to go nuts but sort of mentioned never seen, I'd like Bane to take over the mutants and be like the Mutant Leader except have his own plans. Have Batman hunted by the cops and have Gordon fired or replaced with someone like Yindel I'd like either Janice Porter or Sarah Essen, with Sarah they could have Gordon teaching Sarah that Gotham needs Batman as it starts going to pot and having the romantic relationship with the two.

That's pretty much what I had in mind way back before we heard anything about the movie. It could have given the the saga a real apocalyptic climax as Batman declares his own martial law in order to save the city from itself, so to speak.....

(pardon the wrong release date...it was late at night)

 

[COMPO]

I wouldn't want Martial Law I mean I'd rather these groups be a more mild annoyance like the SOBs were in The Dark Knight yet showing how Gotham is escalating and have Batman realise he's the only one who can take care of them.

 

[KalMart]

I wouldn't want Martial Law I mean I'd rather these groups be a more mild annoyance like the SOBs were in The Dark Knight yet showing how Gotham is escalating and have Batman realise he's the only one who can take care of them.

I wanted to see the Mutant-Gang-turned-SOB's storm the GCPD after one of their members were shot and killed by a cop as the city is blacked out, and so on. Complete deterioration of order across the city, open warfare in the streets...that kind of stuff.

 

[Doctor Who]

Yeah, I could see it.

 

[TheBatman072]

Yeah...I'd rather, at this stage of Batman's career, we have a status quo Batman ending and save the Dark Knight Returns ending for...a Dark Knight Returns movie.

 

[Unmasked]

I'm thinking it will be a combo of Knightfall and Prey

 

[Doctor Who]

I'm thinking it will be a combo of Knightfall and Prey

That's my reckoning as well; I think if we got a Knightfall/Prey/DKR smash up, with hints of DV, CW:WIR, and Hush, it'll be great, if not perfect.

 

[DeeBarr]

I think he is going to fight Bane in the open first and lose and then fight him in a mud hole and hammer him. This could be echoed from Begins when Bruce fought in the prison in the mud.

I would love to see Batman surgically take Bane to pieces in the mud at night! [BLACKOUT][/BLACKOUT]