Zak Penn talks...Hulk sequel!

[Abaddon]

^ How do you know what part of it he wrote? was he the lead writer??? I thought he and simon co-scripted it.

I wasn't impressed by any of the dialogue, nor much of the plot, so that about covers everything he wrote.

 

[Tectonic Shift]

Made more. And your poll of 8 people is probably a reasonable sample to extrapolate on a global level. LOL

Made only 15million more box office wise.

The Last Stand made less profit wise, X2 is still the most profitable and popular of the three. X1 coming in as a close second. The Last Stand wasn't a huge disaster but FOX was smart by not greenlighting another X-Men ensemble film and going strictly Wolverine.

 

[Tectonic Shift]

^ How do you know what part of it he wrote? was he the lead writer??? I thought he and simon co-scripted it.

Kinberg wrote the original storyline.

Penn came in and re-wrote everything.

Then FOX allowed them to collaborate on the screenplay. They were equally responsible for that trainwreck.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ X3 wasn't a disaster by any definition. Get a grip thinking a group of X-Men fans on the internet means anything in the whole scheme of things. LOL I enjoyed X3 quite a bit as did most pople outside of this holier than though forum. That's what is so laughable about your statements.

 

[Nivek]

I dont know anyone personally who liked the first X-men films that liked Last Stand. At least who knew who the characters were, if they never read the comic and seen a small amount of the first two (i.e. casula viewer) they thought it was Okay. Anyone i know who seen the comics or cartoon and havea knowlage of the characters thought they F'ed it up. I was surprised about the critism lodged at killing off Cyclops and Professor X.

As far as the Hulk goes, I would feel better if their was a bit of Penn's script from his first go around that we can see what direction he wanted to go with.

 

[Walks Unseen]

I dont know anyone personally who liked the first X-men films that liked Last Stand. At least who knew who the characters were, if they never read the comic and seen a small amount of the first two (i.e. casula viewer) they thought it was Okay. Anyone i know who seen the comics or cartoon and havea knowlage of the characters thought they F'ed it up. I was surprised about the critism lodged at killing off Cyclops and Professor X.

As far as the Hulk goes, I would feel better if their was a bit of Penn's script from his first go around that we can see what direction he wanted to go with.

I liked TLS and I liked the first two. And yes I am a huge fan of X-Men long before the films came out. I read the books and I have been reading the books for years. While TLS was perhaps not the best of the three, and it did do misjustice to alot of the characters but which of the three X-Men films didn't? Cyclops anyone? Royally screwed in all three films. And Colosus as well. I always thought that in X2 in the mansion raid scene where Colosus says to Logan: "I can help you", instead of Wolverine saying "Help them" and never seeing him again for the rest of the film, they should have had Wolverine saying "Ok, come with me" or something. How much better would that scene have been if it was both Wolverine and Colosus fighting Stryker's forces. That would have made that movie alot better for me. And even Nightcrawler didn't get as much as he desereved. I would have liked to have seen another action scene with Kurt perhaps in the Akali Dam scene, and have more character development instead of the film just being about Logan, Logan, Logan. Instead, he has one cool scene at the beggining of the film and just kind of tags along and does nothing for the rest of the film. So while X3 wasn't the best of the three (I personally liked the first film the best), it certainly wasn't the only film where the characters got screwed.

 

[Nivek]

I'm not much of an X-fan anyway, I've read some X-men books years ago, but they became too convulted and honestly borish. That and I got fed up explaining to X fanboys that Wolverine is not on par with the Hulk. The Hulk simply enjoys slapping him around, and a real kill or be killed fight would last all of 2 seconds.

Sorry about the Rambling...

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^ X3 wasn't a disaster by any definition. Get a grip thinking a group of X-Men fans on the internet means anything in the whole scheme of things. LOL I enjoyed X3 quite a bit as did most pople outside of this holier than though forum. That's what is so laughable about your statements.

Well i'm sorry if we all dont worship EVERYTHING Marvel does like you AD. I'm not a fanboy by any means, but i ****ing hated X3. Oh and about fanboys, do you hear any of them complaining about the absence of the Shi'ar or the moon battle? NO you dont, if they were true fanboys they WOULD complain about such things. But no, they complain because the movie took q big **** on every character but 1 or 2.

Most of the problems with the first 2 movies were down to either budget or time, Ratner had a huge budget and about the same time, and still made a ****ty movie with about 30 characters that he inexplicably put as a 99 mins movie. What a ****ing idiot

 

[Cracker Jack]

The Hulk simply enjoys slapping him around, and a real kill or be killed fight would last all of 2 seconds.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA you got that right my brother.

I like all the X movies. If it means anything, my wife likes them as well.
Does it matter what I think is good or bad? No, it's my opinion. Once again Jamon you bash Penn for X-3 but praise Ang for Hulk. I hated what Ang did to my hero. The movie was ok but the changes were unnecessary. It cracks me up how people who weren't big fans of the Hulk before Ang messed him up praise his mess as an orgasmic experience that only gets better with more viewings. That cracks me up! Marvel is doing the right thing by distancing The Incredible Hulk from Hulk. I pray they get it right.

 

[Negative Creep]

Hackalicious.

 

[kainedamo]

^ X3 wasn't a disaster by any definition. Get a grip thinking a group of X-Men fans on the internet means anything in the whole scheme of things. LOL I enjoyed X3 quite a bit as did most pople outside of this holier than though forum. That's what is so laughable about your statements.

Anyone who is a genuine film fan cannot enjoy X3 very much. It's quite simply too badly made.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Are you the official speaker for genuine film fans on Superherohype. I love all the x-men geeks who worship brian singer and think their opinion is a reflection of the rest of thw world. I'm a huge film fan and I see different films for different reasons and have seen far more films than you will probably ever see. I see some films purely for entertainment, I see others to be educated, I see others to make me laugh, others to shock me. I don't go to see films to nitpick, complain, whine, cry, and get angry. You're not that important...get over yourself.

 

[kainedamo]

^ Are you the official speaker for genuine film fans on Superherohype. I love all the x-men geeks who worship brian singer and think their opinion is a reflection of the rest of thw world. I'm a huge film fan and I see different films for different reasons and have seen far more films than you will probably ever see. I see some films purely for entertainment, I see others to be educated, I see others to make me laugh, others to shock me. I don't go to see films to nitpick, complain, whine, cry, and get angry. You're not that important...get over yourself.

Here's the thing. There are things that fall under opinion, and there are things that fall under fact. In film school, they teach the CORRECT way to write a script and the CORRECT way to direct a film. They don't tell you "write a film however ya like, it really doesn't matter". They teach you techniques. X3 fails the most simple of film making techniques. ShadowBoxing explained it really well in another thread... But the fact of the matter is, the scenes don't gel very well together. Like I said before, the way Wolvie goes from the mansion, to Mags camp, and back to the mansion again... you would think Wolvie is a teleporter or something. And not to mention the fact that Wolvie going to Mags camp did nothing to progress the film at all. It's BAD film making. Fact. Storm and Hank telling each other they have great hairdos is BAD dialogue. Bad dialogue and bad continuity absolutely plagues this film. Another example of bad writing - Beast goes to the mansion for what seems to be the first time in a long time to inform the X-Men and Prof X of the cure. Literally 5 seconds after he tells them, it's announced on the news. And the way Prof X says "they're announcing it now", you would think he could see into the future. Beast having more screentime than most yet having absolutely no character development is BAD writing. What was the point of Angel being in the film at all if they're not even going to develop the character? We know so little about the new characters in this movie. The plot is all over the place.

There are movies that are made badly that I enjoy. This is not one of them. You need to open your eyes and see that this film has faults - big faults.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Who cares. It's supposed to be a fun film...not a study in film making. This is eye candy with our favorite mutants. I think too many of you have forgotten how to just sit back and enjoy a damn film. You'll figure it out one day that you're not a billionaire, you personally don't have the funds to produce one of these films right now, and you can either be a hater...or enjoy it. Nobody is going to make a film to just please the X-Men fans here on SHH. It has to appeal to a broader audience and when a schedule is rushed everything is not gonna be perfect. Ratner did a kick ass job on this film, to me it was the most entertaining and most visually appealing, and he really had almost no time to prepare.

 

[kainedamo]

^ Who cares. It's supposed to be a fun film...not a study in film making. This is eye candy with our favorite mutants. I think too many of you have forgotten how to just sit back and enjoy a damn film. You'll figure it out one day that you're not a billionaire, you personally don't have the funds to produce one of these films right now, and you can either be a hater...or enjoy it. Nobody is going to make a film to just please the X-Men fans here on SHH. It has to appeal to a broader audience and when a schedule is rushed everything is not gonna be perfect. Ratner did a kick ass job on this film, to me it was the most entertaining and most visually appealing, and he really had almost no time to prepare.

Excuses, excuses, excuses. I especially despite the "it's supposed to be a fun film" excuse. The Evil Dead is a fun film. And it's a cult classic because it was so well made for such a low budget and it was made in a short space of time. I can't sit back, relax, and enjoy a film if it's bad. Sorry. The only thing done well in X3 was the powers. Everyone displayed visually impressive abilities. But that's it. Never before have I watched a film with so much action, and cared so little about it. A film has to be engaging to give a damn about the action. I don't expect a film maker to make a film "just to please people on the hype", but I expect a professional film maker to at least try to make a good film. Ratner didn't try.

 

[Tectonic Shift]

Who cares. It's supposed to be a fun film...not a study in film making.

You didn't need a degree in cinematography to know it was crappy.

Even 'Becca Romijn and Anna Paquin wanted nothing to do with the films anymore. That's why their roles were given a "death sentence" so to speak. I think Anna's re-alignment with Bryan Singer for a new project proves she's not going back to the X-Franchise. I'm not so sure Famke would return after the embarrassing role they gave her in the The Last Stand.

This is eye candy with our favorite mutants. I think too many of you have forgotten how to just sit back and enjoy a damn film. You'll figure it out one day that you're not a billionaire, you personally don't have the funds to produce one of these films right now, and you can either be a hater...or enjoy it.

Mindless eyecandy wasn't what Bryan gave us. He built sophisticated comicbook films that audiences could enjoy for years to come. Not some drivel that is easily forgettable.

We as the audience have every right to demand the highest quality for all fantasty films especially when the price of admission is so sky high and so are the production budgets.

The Producers/studios connected to these films can be a blessing or in FOX's case a curse. It takes the right studio head and crew to be able to pull of this feat but if your studio head is brilliant and connected to the product then the chances are better that the film will be quality. Amy Pascal of SONY is very connected to Spiderman, Ghost Rider and Hellboy. She hasn't made any disasterous mistakes the way that FOX has (ie. LXG, Elektra, Fantastice Four,etc....).

Nobody is going to make a film to just please the X-Men fans here on SHH. It has to appeal to a broader audience and when a schedule is rushed everything is not gonna be perfect. Ratner did a kick ass job on this film, to me it was the most entertaining and most visually appealing, and he really had almost no time to prepare.

For you to say that Ratner did a "kick ass" job on The Last Stand is fodder for anyone who takes their cinema seriously. It has been across the board by Critics, Moviegoers and Fans that The Last Stand failed to deliver the quality and standard that Bryan Singer had brought to this Franchise.

Why else is FOX now grovelling at Bryan's feet for his input on Wolverine? They certainly aren't asking Ratner to helm any futher X-films. They know better.

Visually it was lacking less than X2 and even X1. The Phoenix Effect was replaced with a Zombie effect, theTornado fx in X2 were more epic than TLS and let's not even get started on the brilliant Nightcrawler opening of X2 that by far supercedes as THE BEST scene in the X-films. Storywise TLS was a complete utter disaster.

The Profit margin for the Last Stand was also poor and FOX is disappointed but they were just happy this turned out to be a frontloaded film. They knew the film would not have the endurance of X2 or even X1.

 

[Walks Unseen]

Anyone who is a genuine film fan cannot enjoy X3 very much. It's quite simply too badly made.

Whether a film is bad or not is completely up to the viewer.

And as for Tectonic Shifts comments ^ I really dont think they were killed off or depowered because of them not wanting to do more X-films due to Singer's departure. Come on. Mystique was like Stamos' most well known part, same goes for Paquin.

 

[Supreme Power]

For you to say that Ratner did a "kick ass" job on The Last Stand is fodder for anyone who takes their cinema seriously. It has been across the board by Critics, Moviegoers and Fans that The Last Stand failed to deliver the quality and standard that Bryan Singer had brought to this Franchise.

Some of you are very amusing to me. Seriously, where are you getting your information. Critics maybe, I could care less. I would assuredly venture to say, most moviegoers and fans away from this board would disagree. As evidence of the many I talked to who even liked X3 better than X1.

Visually it was lacking less than X2 and even X1. The Phoenix Effect was replaced with a Zombie effect, theTornado fx in X2 were more epic than TLS and let's not even get started on the brilliant Nightcrawler opening of X2 that by far supercedes as THE BEST scene in the X-films. Storywise TLS was a complete utter disaster.

This is open to debate. I liked the story better than in X1, and also thought it was better visually than in X1. Although not X2.

The Profit margin for the Last Stand was also poor and FOX is disappointed but they were just happy this turned out to be a frontloaded film. They knew the film would not have the endurance of X2 or even X1.

Funny how people forget to mention that it broke records in DVD sales. And being frontloaded because of prior films is of course a matter of opinion.

 

[Mr. Green]

The movie was ok but the changes were unnecessary. It cracks me up how people who weren't big fans of the Hulk before Ang messed him up praise his mess as an orgasmic experience that only gets better with more viewings. That cracks me up! Marvel is doing the right thing by distancing The Incredible Hulk from Hulk. I pray they get it right.

I agree one hundred percent.

 

[Obi-Ron]

I agree one hundred percent.

What I can't figure out is posters who say things like "It'll suck if Eric Bana doesn't come back," or "I won't see TIH if it's different from Ang Lee's Hulk."

The Hulk has been different with each writer/artist team that has done the comic, or with the makers of the TV show, or the first movie. The character holds up to different interpretations...don't reject version "X" just because it's different from the version "Y" you liked before...especially without ever seeing version "X!"

 

[Mr. Green]

Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm going to see TIH in the theatres because I really like Hulk. I liked Bana, but that doesn't mean I'll forsake anyone else who plays Banner.

I get the feeling from the Director that they're going to make it as action packed as the budget will allow, and I really like that. I just don't want mindless garbage like X3. It had a cool action element to it, but that was about it.

I want TIH to be up there with Spidey 2 and X2.

 

[Rac]

Can't wait for 2008 when the net is full of "Hulk is angry. Stupid Zak Penn made Hulk angry. Hulk smash." blogs/posts/etc.

 

[Nivek]

Well, it comes down too how much "hulk-lite" is actually apparent in the trailers. We havn't been given anything from anyone that is reason to think it will be better than the first film, just something that will please all the frat-house morons who think they know what the Hulk is supposed to be.

Personally, I am so angry about this because after the first film turned out pretty damn good (IMHO) despite the unessasary crap that was added to the story, I dont want my favorite character in a flick that is anything like the rushed mistake that was X3.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Not true. Everyone involved has told us this film would be the Hulk film all the fans will be happy with. Lots of action, Hulk as a hero, lighter on the psycho-drama, with bits of horror, noir, etc...That's enough for me. Plus the rights are with Marvel and we got a director with a good vision for this character who's really excited about the project.

 

[Sarg92]

/\/\That's good enough for me!